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Serious Sinkie Police To Carry Pistols Instead Of Revolvers! Can Pump Oppies With 17 Rounds!

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Frontline officers in the Singapore Police Force (SPF) will soon be equipped with semi-automatic pistols - a change from the revolvers used now - giving them more powerful and accurate firearms to tackle heightened security threats.

While frontline officers are currently issued with a .38-calibre Taurus revolver and 10 rounds, pistols generally have a larger bullet holding capacity of up to 17 rounds on a standard magazine.

Revolvers and pistols are both handguns, but the former contains a revolving cylinder in which bullets are loaded, while the latter is fed by a magazine.



Sources say the police have been conducting trials of several pistol models for several months, and a new pistol will be put into use soon.

The Straits Times understands that a Central European 9mm pistol is among those field-tested here and is the front runner to be the new firearm for frontline officers.

Differences between the two weapons
REVOLVER

• Revolving cylinder

• Five to six rounds of ammunition, depending on model

• Fewer moving parts

• Less likely to jam

SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL

• Uses magazines to hold ammunition

• One bullet enters chamber at a time, no revolving

• Up to 17 rounds, depending on model

• More moving parts, such as a spring that feeds a bullet into the chamber

• Allows for more stability and accuracy

• Higher chance of malfunction


In response to queries, an SPF spokesman said: "Given the heightened threat environment, the police have started to train and will equip officers in regular frontline units to use pistols."

Adding that more details on implementation will be revealed later, he said the police regularly review their equipment and that pistols are already used by selected units.

ST understands that these include its Security Command, which ensures the safety and security of Cabinet ministers and visiting foreign dignitaries, as well as some units from the Special Operations Command, which was formed to unite the police's elite tactical units.

But most officers are issued with a .38-calibre Taurus revolver, which plants a red dot on its target automatically. It reportedly replaced the Smith & Wesson .38 revolver in 2002. The Taurus revolver comes with a five-chambered cylinder and a "speed loader" - which allows the user to reload all chambers quickly at the same time.

Former police officer Adrian Tok said it is a good move to make the change to pistols because of their bigger capacity for ammunition.

Now a risk manager working in the security industry, Mr Tok said a 9mm pistol - referring to the approximate internal diameter of the barrel - with a standard magazine has 17 rounds, compared with the 10 rounds that officers generally carry.

Mr Timothy Ngui, 38, a member of the Singapore Rifle Association (SRA) who works in IT security, said semi-automatic pistols are safer.

"Generally, if you drop a semi- automatic pistol, it has safety mechanisms that prevent it from going off by accident," he said.

Pistols are also easier to use, he added, citing how with the different grip methods, users will find it easier to control recoil, increase stability and improve accuracy.

But retiree Kevin Leong, 66, a member of the SRA since the mid-1980s, said revolvers are "more reliable, mechanically speaking, and less likely to jam".

"That is one of the main reasons that people continue using revolvers when pistols offer so much more capacity in terms of ammunition," Mr Leong added.

Mr Tok said a revolver is "less subject to jamming" as it has fewer moving parts, but does not think the change will be an issue as officers can learn to overcome jamming or stoppages in pistols quickly.

"Times have changed, and the security threat has been changing. Such a change would help prepare the police force to deal with potential attacks in the future," he added.

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/frontline-police-to-be-armed-with-pistols
 

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wow...polis can self inflict wounds to their heads using pistols now!
 

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How about getting more ambulances :biggrin:
 

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Fucking Shit Times, why don't they just come out and name the model and make of this Central European pistol? Oh, wait, theyare retarded. That is why.

So, Sammyboy via PAPsmearer will break the news. Its the Czech CZ P-07 or CZ 75 P-07 depending on whether you are lazy ornot to say the whole name. Max mag capacity for this is 15 round mag, chambered in 9mm. This is fucking stupid. Once again, its each indian chief defending his own fiefdom and therefore wasting the taxpayer money. The different models of autmatic handguns used in singapore is staggering for such a small country and therefore represents no cost savings in economy of scale for the singapore taxpayers.

Of the top of my head:

Gurkhas and Marine Police - Glock 19/17
SOC - Heckler and Kock USP and Sphinx 3000
SAF - Sig Saur P226 and FN Five-Seven (which uses a completely different calibre round from the 9mm)

And now, the SPF instead of ordering the same pistol from one of these sources, orders a totally different model. Some fucking arms dealers in singapore are making a lot of money from this. its much better and cheaper to standardize all handguns used into one very good model, like say the Glock.
 

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Altogether now!!! Huat ah!!!
 

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sinkie civil servants are like that. ministries, stat boards and departments protect their budgets and turf, do not wish to share resources, would rather keep their silos, and be unique or special from another to portray the appearance of specialization, separation, self-worth, self-importance and self-dependency. if saf has the sig sauer spf better get something different. must stand out as different. even for i.t. systems must have their own silos. i bet karchngkang, lancheow and cheebye sizes are alleged to be different too among departments, thus toilet bowls and urinals have to be different.
 

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just equip them with plastic revolvers like the crazy inspector from shutter island(whose actually a inmate) or like the pinoy police force ......after all what difference does it make?they do not have the balls to use it.
 
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just equip them with plastic revolvers like the crazy inspector from shutter island(whose actually a inmate) or like the pinoy police force ......after all what difference does it make?they do not have the balls to use it.

besides cowardice, they're thinking of the red tape and copius forms they have to fill in justifying firing a lousy bullet. they fear bureaucracy and red tape more than they fear injuring someone or themselves with their pitiful no-use of the pistol. at the bottom of it they're just a bunch of sinkie kuniangs who have not seen the real ghettos of east oakland.
 

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Huat Ah! Time for ISIS & MSK's gangs to Rob the Useless SPF Bapok Matas of their guns and then used for their businesses!


http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...to-snatch-policeman-s-loaded-gun/3527192.html

Woman jailed for trying to snatch policeman’s loaded gun

By Vanessa Paige Chelvan Posted 17 Feb 2017 17:07 Updated 18 Feb 2017 15:16

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SINGAPORE: A former property agent was sentenced to 11 months’ jail on Friday (Feb 17) for attempting to snatch a policeman’s loaded gun from its holster on Jan 22, 2016.

Chinese national Han Jing, 38, was sentenced to an additional 12 weeks’ jail in lieu of caning, as the offence carries a mandatory minimum of six strokes. Women cannot be caned in Singapore.

Han tried to snatch the police officer's revolver as he tried to stop her from leaving the scene of a car crash.

He was one of two policemen who were investigating a report that a black Mini Cooper had crashed into a signpost at Soo Chow Garden Road in the early hours of Jan 22 last year.

The driver was nowhere in sight when policemen arrived, but a passer-by told them that the driver, a woman dressed in black and white, had walked away in the direction of Upper Thomson Road.

The officers spotted a woman at a bus stop who matched the description and confirmed that she was the driver. It was Han.

She followed them back to the car, but refused to wait at the scene. She tried to leave, but the officers stopped her. Han grabbed the butt of one officer’s loaded revolver and attempted to pull it out of its holster, which was secured around the officer’s waist.

A struggle ensued; Han refused to let go of the gun while the officer tried to pry her fingers off it. Han let go only when the second officer stepped in and forcefully pulled her away. She was then immediately arrested.

Deputy Public Prosecutor Azri Imran Tan sought imprisonment of not less than nine months with an additional 12 weeks in lieu of caning. He said that though she admitted to the offence, Han showed little remorse. She absconded twice and failed to attend court until she was arrested again nine months later, in September, for throwing killer litter from her 30th-storey condominium unit.

On Sep 4, between 11.22pm and 11.40pm, Han threw two flower pots, a table and a clothes rack from the balcony of her unit at Espada condominium. One of the flower pots shattered and injured a police officer.

DPP Tan pointed out that Han, who was assessed at the Institute of Mental Health, was not suffering from any mental illness and a drug test was negative.

The offence of attempting to possess an offensive weapon carries a penalty of up to one and a half years’ jail and at least six strokes of the cane.

Two charges of throwing killer litter were taken into consideration during Han's sentencing.

- CNA/dl
 

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Need auto pistol for fuck?
Sinkie poodles how often get to fire weapon in line of duty? Some until retirement also no chance do so. Use to commit suicide is more common.
Current Taurus with laser sight still not good enough?
This is just for procurement guys to make some under table money.
 

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Give them light sabre also no use when they just hide in ambulances.
 

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Need auto pistol for fuck?
Sinkie poodles how often get to fire weapon in line of duty? Some until retirement also no chance do so. Use to commit suicide is more common.
Current Taurus with laser sight still not good enough?
This is just for procurement guys to make some under table money.

Oppies are getting increasingly intolerant and violent, especially after the fall of Aljunied GRC. Our police needs to be better armed in case the oppies decide to destabilise Singapore further. They have resorted to public demonstrations before. Our police need 17 bullets, not 6 in their sidearms.

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sinkie civil servants are like that. ministries, stat boards and departments protect their budgets and turf, do not wish to share resources, would rather keep their silos, and be unique or special from another to portray the appearance of specialization, separation, self-worth, self-importance and self-dependency. if saf has the sig sauer spf better get something different. must stand out as different. even for i.t. systems must have their own silos. i bet karchngkang, lancheow and cheebye sizes are alleged to be different too among departments, thus toilet bowls and urinals have to be different.

Yes, the entire handgun procurement is very fucked up and should be investigated by the Auditor General. Basically, what the elites have done is taken the pie and split it up, and stuck the taxpayer with the extra cost, and lost savings from the lack of an economy of scale. U have to go back at look at this Taurus pistol purchase in the first place. who the fuck buys this useless piece of shit 5 shot pistol. Very few police forces use this pistol in the world. I can imagine the amount of bribes that Taurus paid to get the contract. Even after being adopted by the SPF, no other countries in the world chose it. The original Smith and Wesson .38s used since independence lasted 40 years before being replaced by the Taurus in 2002. And now only 15 years later, we need to replace the Taurus? makes no sense to me.

If the Glock is good enough for the Gurhkhas, which is a division of the SPF, then why the hell can't it be good enough for regular main force police officers? The sole distributor for Glock is an ex SAF major. He used his contacts to start the company after being retired from the SAF, because getting a gun import license is not easy. All the other weapons importing companies are also run by retired mid level SAF officers. But contracts for side arm are almost never issued twice to the same company. SO, everyone gets a piece of the pie. There is no reason why all the SAF, SPF, CERTIS, CISCO, SOG, SOF, Gurkhas, etc. sidearms cannot be standardized on one model family, like say Glock or Beretta. The operational requirements are all the same or almost the same. In fact, if the numbers are large enough, I would even say that ST should get a license for whatever model they want and make it here in Singapore. Got to be cheaper to cut out all the middlemen.

All these shits are just protecting their fiefdom and acting like their forces are so unique that they cannot get the same weapon as another force. What a joke.
 

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A struggle ensued; Han refused to let go of the gun while the officer tried to pry her fingers off it. Han let go only when the second officer stepped in and forcefully pulled her away. She was then immediately arrested.

Why don't the second officer just step up to this PRC bitch, put his Taurus pistol to her head and squeeze the trigger? Why must forcefully pull her away? Many more where she came from.
 

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Took them a few years to make the choice judging from this 2014 Sammyboy thread

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Heard from my SPF kaki that sidearm Taurus Model 85 will be replaced[/h]
I was chatting with an old buddy about their sidearm. Seems like it is going to be replaced in the near future. It seems the rank and file and even the middle level SPF personnel have no idea why this revolver was chosen in 2002 to replace the Smith and Wesson .38. From what my buddy at SPF said, they were going from a 6 shot S & W .38 revolver with a proven track record in many law enforcement agencies to a 5 shot .38 revolver from a Brazilian company that is not very well known and is hardly proven in the international firearms market. In fact, the Taurus Model 85 used by the SPF is the only customer for Taurus for this revolver. No other country in the world, and not even the Brazilian govt. ordered the Model 85 for their own personnel. Singapore was the one and only customer for this gun!! In the US, the Taurus subsidiary markets this gun for women as a concealed weapon in their purses. In the US, this gun retails for over USD$450 each.

Most law enforcement agencies went from a revolver to a semi automatic handgun. For example, the RCMP in Canada went from a S & W .38 revolver to a S & W 9mm Model 5946 15 shot semi automatic. In singapore, this did not happen. There is a story somewhere hidden about the tender put out for this weapon. I can't believe that the SPF did not specify a semi automatic whether its in the 9mm, .45in, or even .38 calibre. And if they did want to stay with a revolver, why did they not specify a 6 shooter? There are many modern 6 shot pistols around and many support accessories like speed loaders are designed for 6 shooters. In fact, its rare to find a 5 shooter like the Taurus anywhere. CPIB should investigate the tendering and awarding of the contract for this weapon. Some higher up at SPF probably got a few free trips to Rio and some bribe money. Unless its scholars with no field experience trying to wayang.

I hope this time that the right sidearm will be chosen. And may it be a semi automatic for sure. The LI riots show that if you have to shoot apuneh rioters, 5 shots is just not enough. a large capacity 15 round mag on a semi will wipe out many more rioters.​



http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread....that-sidearm-Taurus-Model-85-will-be-replaced
 

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A struggle ensued; Han refused to let go of the gun while the officer tried to pry her fingers off it. Han let go only when the second officer stepped in and forcefully pulled her away. She was then immediately arrested.

Why don't the second officer just step up to this PRC bitch, put his Taurus pistol to her head and squeeze the trigger? Why must forcefully pull her away? Many more where she came from.

in the u.s. that bitch would already be dead, from 2nd officer emptying his clip on her chest area blowing her boobs to smithereens. 1st officer would not need to struggle so much as one punch or elbow from an american cop is like kena tko from an mma middleweight fighter. it's a matter of time before a useless sinkie guniang cop gets shot and killed by someone grabbing his weapon from his holster. heck, if sinkie cops have a problem pulling out their weapons (they most likely do with their lack of muscles and situation awareness) they should just ask would be grabbers for assistance. :p
 

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in the u.s. that bitch would already be dead, from 2nd officer emptying his clip on her chest area blowing her boobs to smithereens. 1st officer would not need to struggle so much as one punch or elbow from an american cop is like kena tko from an mma middleweight fighter. it's a matter of time before a useless sinkie guniang cop gets shot and killed by someone grabbing his weapon from his holster. heck, if sinkie cops have a problem pulling out their weapons (they most likely do with their lack of muscles and situation awareness) they should just ask would be grabbers for assistance. :p

I suggest to all SPF officers that morning routine should include pak chiew ching to
strengthen their gun hand. That way, no crooks can wrestle their gun from them. I don't know how an officer can struggle with a PRC bitch. If a woman like that attacked me, she would be on the ground before she can say WTF.
 

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ISIS will have SPF officers for breakfast lunch and dinner.

PAP: You die your fault!
 

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Alamak, why wasted tax payers' money?

When mata mata did not even dare to use their guns to shoot the rioting ah nehs in Little India riot, it is just silly to arm them with the best pistols ... pappies got to wake up.
 

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I suggest to all SPF officers that morning routine should include pak chiew ching to strengthen their gun hand....

No warning shoot even fired when a group of ang pai got surrounded by gambling criminals in back alley of Geylang. Back in the good old days, ruffians ran away when seeing ang pai kia. Today, ang pai kia back tracked when facing ruffians. Pappies are really pathetic.
 
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