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Chitchat Ah Lian and Ah Kow can call themslves journalists

winnipegjets

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Trust in the media is sinking and it's time to act


When anyone can be a journalist, anything can be labelled news. That’s a problem

If I were a public figure — a politician, a senior public servant, a judge, someone in the national security apparatus — I doubt I would speak to most reporters.

Actually, if it were just me, going through some horrible personal episode that occasioned a local police reporter to call my home, I would likely hang up.

Why? Because reporters are no different from others whose positions confer a degree of public trust — some of them aren't very bright. Like a stupid cop or a nasty bureaucrat, or, worse, a maliciously dull-witted doctor or lawyer or stockbroker, a bad reporter can ruin a person's life, or at least a person's career.

But there's a difference: all of the other occupations I just mentioned are legally leashed and held accountable, to one extent or another. People in those jobs must qualify for them, and submit to strict professional standards.

Unregulated profession


A lawyer is governed not just by normal criminal and civil law, but by clearly defined ethics, interpreted by quasi-judicial boards of his or her peers. The same self-regulation is practised by most other professions.

Not journalism. There is no uniform qualification for a reporter, no uniform code of behaviour. Journalism has vigorously resisted any efforts to legally define journalism, or any sort of peer review.

Yes, some of the bigger journalistic organizations have ombudsmen, or public editors, but their only power is suasion. Yes, there are press councils that judge public complaints, but they have no fangs. Yes, some outfits, like CBC, have internal policies that set rules of behaviour for their reporters, but enforcement is at the discretion of managers.

A huge swath of journalism doesn't even bother pretending self-regulation.

And in any event, who is a journalist anymore? The answer is anyone who says "I'm a journalist," and has access to the internet.

Infowars and the White House


Apparently, one of U.S. President Donald Trump's favourite sources of political news is a fellow named Alex Jones, who has, among other things, asserted that the Sept. 11 attacks were an inside job, and that the Sandy Hook massacre of schoolchildren never happened.

Jones got his start yelling far-right drivel into a microphone in a spare room in his house, but now runs multiple platforms, including the site Infowars, telling millions of people what they want to hear.

To the president of the United States, Jones is a real journalist, as opposed to most of the rest of us, whom he now characterizes as a cesspool of lying, dishonest purveyors of fake news and outright falsehoods, or, most recently, "enemies of the people."

I don't want this to sound like whining. I truly couldn't care less what Trump thinks about my craft, or, for that matter, what his supporters think.

But if polls are to be believed, it isn't just Trump and his ferociously loyal swarm of flying monkeys; Gallup's most recent testing of public opinion suggested that trust in the mass media "to report the news fully, accurately and fairly" is at its lowest level in polling history.

Only 32 per cent of respondents said they trusted the mainstream media.

Meaning that Trump, a fellow capable of standing in the rain and saying it's sunny, is more believed and trusted by Americans than journalists. This is not a new phenomenon, either. Gallup has traced a steady decline in trust for two decades.

Alternative realities


Why? Certainly a lot of it has to do with the internet's brutal breakup of media oligopolies, and empowerment of non-traditional actors like Alex Jones. The rise of so many fringe outlets to prominence has encouraged people to live in their own alternate realities, where they can wallow in confirmation bias and never have to listen to a single dissenting syllable.

Hence the anger about reporters at Trump's weekend rally in Florida — the one where he talked about some ominous (and, it turns out, imaginary) event that took place in Sweden the night before, because of all those immigrants the Swedes have let in.

People in the crowd, a few wearing Infowars T-shirts, berated journalists for their coverage of Trump's first month in office. The president's near daily Twitter lies, his attacks on federal judges, his attacks on the U.S. intelligence community, his disdain for conflict of interest, the amateurish immigration ban stopped dead in the courts, and the strange debasement of his high office for personal gain and ego gratification count for nothing. The shame belonged instead to the media for not concentrating on the things he has said that are true.

Journalists are now told we should make efforts to better understand the concerns of such people. I'm not sure it's rationally possible. They remind me of the Tea Party members who would demand that Barack Obama keep his God damned government hands off their Medicare and Social Security (which they clearly believed were private programs).

Professional standards


But the wider distrust expressed in polls is something else. Journalism is losing the support of rational, intelligent, thoughtful consumers, and that is a serious threat.

Recapturing it probably means a little less snark (millennials, especially, seem to loathe snark and smug, of which I am a foremost practitioner), less blatant clickbait (in some ways, news websites are becoming a collection of bad listicles), more policy and less politics, and less pusillanimous surrender to ratings, something that helped create Trump.

But nothing would go further in recapturing public trust than becoming a true profession, with standards, qualifications, accountability and enforceable rules. As much as I shudder at being judged by other journalists, there is no longer any other way.
 

Leongsam

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The ones that tell the biggest lies are the accredited ones eg CNN.

They are an arm of the democrats for goodness sake there is no way they're going to tell the news the way it actually happens.
 

winnipegjets

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The ones that tell the biggest lies are the accredited ones eg CNN.

They are an arm of the democrats for goodness sake there is no way they're going to tell the news the way it actually happens.

News as it actually happen? Is Breitbart your most trusted source of news too?

Actually, why don't you start a youtube news source too? There is good money to be made ...you are already spouting lots of the stuff that the right-wing legion wants to hear. It is a big crowded right now but I am sure you can rise to the challenge and gather 5 million subscribers in no time.
 

Leongsam

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News as it actually happen? Is Breitbart your most trusted source of news too?

I don't trust ANY so called "news" source anymore because they all have agendas.

In the old days "news" reports described what happened.

EG "50 protestors arrested for arson They will appear in court today".

Nowadays the headline will read:

"Mass protests break out over Trump's ill conceived racist policies against immigrants".

The falsehoods and opinions are incorporated into the headline. They no longer simply report the facts.
 

eatshitndie

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i'm a long time reporter on everything great about the sinkie mrt system. in fact will post some news and pics on my running thread called "mrt running smoothly".....soon.
 

winnipegjets

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I don't trust ANY so called "news" source anymore because they all have agendas.

In the old days "news" reports described what happened.

EG "50 protestors arrested for arson They will appear in court today".

Nowadays the headline will read:

"Mass protests break out over Trump's ill conceived racist policies against immigrants".

The falsehoods and opinions are incorporated into the headline. They no longer simply report the facts.

I guess PAP Press is your gold standard of news reporting.
 

Leongsam

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I guess PAP Press is your gold standard of news reporting.

You illustrate my point perfectly.

News is supposed to be about what happened. Let's use a natural disaster as an example.

A factual headline about an earthquake would be :

"Earthquake of 8 on the richter scale kills 7 and injures hundreds. Civil defense coordinating rescue efforts".

However the same disaster can be rephrased to add a pro or anti government spin.

Pro government : "Quick action by authorities saves hundreds of lives after earthquake strikes"

Anti government : "Residents left injured and dying by slow and inadequate response to quake torn city".

There is a place for opinion but in the old days it would be in the "Opinions and Analysis" section of the print media and would be penned some time after facts had been established as to whether response met acceptable standards.

Nowadays the out of control fake news media can write anything they want. No wonder nobody believes a word they read anymore.

The ST does exactly the same thing when reporting municipal issues depending upon who is in charge of the ward. WP town councils and PAP town councils are held to vastly different standards.

I can fully understand you being anti Trump but only if you have the facts.

If you form your opinion based upon what you see and hear from CNN you'll be drawing the wrong conclusions because their anti Trump stance permeates the whole organisation and colors all their news.
 

fupikee

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You illustrate my point perfectly.

News is supposed to be about what happened. Let's use a natural disaster as an example.

A factual headline about an earthquake would be :

"Earthquake of 8 on the richter scale kills 7 and injures hundreds. Civil defense coordinating rescue efforts".

However the same disaster can be rephrased to add a pro or anti government spin.

Pro government : "Quick action by authorities saves hundreds of lives after earthquake strikes"

Anti government : "Residents left injured and dying by slow and inadequate response to quake torn city".

There is a place for opinion but in the old days it would be in the "Opinions and Analysis" section of the print media and would be penned some time after facts had been established as to whether response met acceptable standards.

Nowadays the out of control fake news media can write anything they want. No wonder nobody believes a word they read anymore.

The ST does exactly the same thing when reporting municipal issues depending upon who is in charge of the ward. WP town councils and PAP town councils are held to vastly different standards.

I can fully understand you being anti Trump but only if you have the facts.

If you base form opinion based upon what you see and hear from CNN you'll be drawing the wrong conclusions because their anti Trump stance permeates the whole organisation and colors all their news.

Very good comments on what constitute news.

In a nutshell, news is whatever the 'news' info controller wants you to read and see (eg, photos or video). In the old days of ST dominance, 'news' is what kind of slant the editorial management wanted to put up depending on their specific objectives. For example, an accident will be an accident if it is reported, but if the editor chose not to put it on board, then the 'accident' didn't get reported and thus, not 'news'. Different slants could also be put in to report the 'accident' such that some kind of 'blame', 'negligence'. 'glossing over' or 'just an accident', 'bad luck', etc, can be labelled on this particular event.

Nowadays with so many manufactured and fake news, it is kind of difficult to determine what exactly was the actual event that took place. What we can read, see, hear from so many sources of 'news' we have to go through some thought process before deciding what actually the event was all about, that is, in accordance to our own experience and confidence of what were presented and interpretation. Blind acceptance of 'news' is really a 'no no' or stupidity at work.

At the end of the day, we ourselves should shape and be responsible for what we believe to be 'news'.
 

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News as it actually happen? Is Breitbart your most trusted source of news too?

Speaking of Breitbart is this story real or fake?

I'm not interested in debating the merits of DACA. I just want to know whether the offender actually exists and whether he actually committed the crime. That is what NEWS is..... reporting the facts as they happened.



http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...e-crimes-allegedly-granted-executive-amnesty/

The illegal immigrant who was arrested this week in Arizona for a sex crime against a three-year old girl, was being shielded from repatriation by President Barack Obama’s 2012 ‘Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals’ program, according to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

The little girl was found Monday, while duct-taped, inside a trash bag, and covered in feces in a closet in an apartment occupied by Francisco Rios-Covarrubias. He was charged with kidnapping, sexual conduct with a minor, felony child abuse, and sex trafficking. The child’s mother was also arrested.

Rios-Covarrubias was caught after he allegedly offered the girl for sex to another man, who subsequently notified the police.

According to reports, Rios-Covarrubias was denied bail due to his immigration status.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) say their committee has information that Rios-Covarrubias was protected from repatriation by Obama’s 2012 decision to largely halt deportations of younger illegals, and to give them work-permits.

“According to information received by the Committee, 30-yr-old Rios-Covarrubias was a recipient of deferred action under the President’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program,” Grassley and Flake wrote in a letter Friday to DHS Sec. Jeh Johnson.

“This is just one of those cases that shocks the soul,” Mesa Police Chief John Meza told reporters at a press conference.

“We cannot agree more,” Grassley and Flake wrote. “For months the Committee has inquired into numerous incidents of DACA recipients enjoying DACA privileges after investigations, arrests, or convictions for violent or predatory crimes.”

“The DACA recipients referenced in those letters are charged with various crimes including several counts of murder, suspicion of second-degree murder, possession of child pornography, and child molestation. Yet, criminals are still allowed to retain or apply for DACA privileges, and victims pay the price,” they added.

Grassley and Flake in their letter pressed DHS to confirm that Rios-Covarrubias is in fact an amnesty recipient.

They further asked if Rios-Covarrubias had a criminal history before receiving DACA, whether ICE has terminated his work authorization, and if he had ever been investigated by Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) before.

As the lawmakers noted in their letter, if Rios-Covarrubias was indeed a DACA beneficiary, he follows a long line of similar individuals granted DACA who were subsequently charged with serous crimes such as child molestation and murder.
 

scroobal

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Interesting debate. I wonder if the way that news is now presented is now reflective of the trend that we see in the younger generation who no longer subscribe to newspapers like the older generations did. The common notion is that they are into online but I do wonder.

Another is the series of poll failures to predict results as in the past. So clearly more people do not rely on the news to make their call.
 

Leongsam

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Interesting debate. I wonder if the way that news is now presented is now reflective of the trend that we see in the younger generation who no longer subscribe to newspapers like the older generations did. The common notion is that they are into online but I do wonder.


There is no more news. Every headline, every article, goes way beyond narrating what happened and what was said. The news anchor's job is now to stir up emotional debate as part of a cut throat rating game amongst networks.

The stance they take and the tone they adopt is determined, not by their own personal opinions, but by who writes their pay cheques.

When the President holds a press conference what I would like to know would be :

1. What topics/policies did he cover.
2. How the policies affect various sectors of society so I can understand how it affects me.
3. I'd like analysis regarding how I can gain from the policies or mitigate the downsides.

I am not interested reporters opinion of the President's appearance or tone of voice or gestures. It's irrelevant. If the conference is broadcast I can form my own conclusions regarding the manner of presentation. The newscaster can keep his opinions to himself.
 

fupikee

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I am not interested reporters opinion of the President's appearance or tone of voice or gestures. It's irrelevant. If the conference is broadcast I can form my own conclusions regarding the manner of presentation. The newscaster can keep his opinions to himself.

In reality, the one who pays the piper calls the tune or slant....

News is now owned by the big money and those who want to peddle or maintain power...the control of information is always the first and essential step towards domination and it has to be maintained in a tight grip so long as the money and power are still around....

Bo pien...we just have to believe what we want to believe in the news....not what others think or want us to believe through the news.
 
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