Serious USAF F-22 ex-stealth detected and tracked and intercepted by PLA & fled Japan

war is best form of peace · Feb 18, 2017

Once was dreaming of being Stealth, the expensive and useless F-22 Completely lost their key advantage and now suffers all their design limitations which compromized for so called Stealth Requirements. They are slower; shorter range; lower altitude; & reduced combat payload compared against e.g. non-stealth F-15 or PLA or Russian warplane. The matter is that sending warplane to intercept them is a civilized protocol, but in wars long range missiles can be fired at them from ships or ground hundreds of kms away.

http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2017-02-17/doc-ifyarrcf4311761.shtml

传东海舰队曾派战机查证F22 美方临时将F22调出日本

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retrenched · Feb 18, 2017

they are invisible to WEAPONS radar though not DETECTION radar. they could be killed with heat seekers - many heat seekers or a combo of heat seekers, active/passive radar guided, anti radiation etc (once it is known where they are, or if they are already in visual contact).

this is highly likely since there are so few of these stealth f22 things, and they are so expensive that one is worth 20 missiles.

the f35 is a sitting duck - it has excellent sensors but only frontal stealth. it is slow and lumbering too.

zhihau · Feb 18, 2017

retrenched said:
the f35 is a sitting duck - it has excellent sensors but only frontal stealth. it is slow and lumbering too.

I hope we haven't gotten any of this :o:o:o

retrenched · Feb 18, 2017

zhihau said:
I hope we haven't gotten any of this :o:o:o

we will...i was talking to a senior rsaf chap abt this...and he said "but this is the only plane tt meets our REQUIREMENTS".

erm...then who decides the requirements...v/stol, full frontal stealth etc etc. really?

Victory2016 · Feb 18, 2017

Trump wants to dump them...... Pinky or his Generals would pick up the rubbish to please the USA..... as usual....

Damn good puppy dogs.....these Singkies

fupikee · Feb 18, 2017

Victory2016 said:
Trump wants to dump them...... Pinky or his Generals would pick up the rubbish to please the USA..... as usual....

Damn good puppy dogs.....these Singkies

Yes and damn pappy dogs will pass on the burden onto us Singapore citizens by increasing the electricity rates, mrt bus fares and biggest killer GST to 10% or more.

WTF fucking stoo pig.....maybe not so simple neh......masok, masok? as widely reported, surveyed and studied for defence related expenses.....machiam no one knows or dare to whistle whistle.....:(:*:

red amoeba · Feb 18, 2017

The future of Air Force is not stealth but self thinking self reaction drone armies. No need for stealth just a mass how many missiles u wanna waste to shoot them down ?

I think to defend these drones you might as well use stone and catapault.

virus · Feb 18, 2017

back to killer satellites with laser guns and deathstar

Bigfuck · Feb 18, 2017

Aiyah, build a million missiles is more effective. Who cares whether you can see me or not. Better impact if you see a million missiles coming.

frenchbriefs · Feb 18, 2017

red amoeba said:
The future of Air Force is not stealth but self thinking self reaction drone armies. No need for stealth just a mass how many missiles u wanna waste to shoot them down ?

I think to defend these drones you might as well use stone and catapault.

machine gun will do,imagine a vulcan or a mini gun or a ciws gun,these drones arent fast or extremely manueveurable anyway max 200 miles per hour theres a limit to drone aerodynamics and how fast u can go,at 6000 rounds per minute,these drones will be shredded like flies.

or use old wwii weapons like flak cannons,flak is extremely spread out large area air burst weapon like a grenade,low damage but against small tiny targets like drones they would be shredded to pieces....also good for clearing out large groups of targets.

nkfnkfnkf · Feb 18, 2017

retrenched said:
they are invisible to WEAPONS radar though not DETECTION radar. they could be killed with heat seekers - many heat seekers or a combo of heat seekers, active/passive radar guided, anti radiation etc (once it is known where they are, or if they are already in visual contact).

this is highly likely since there are so few of these stealth f22 things, and they are so expensive that one is worth 20 missiles.

the f35 is a sitting duck - it has excellent sensors but only frontal stealth. it is slow and lumbering too.

Not that way. The USA idea was to make them as least reflective as possible to the cm & mm wavelength radar frequently used in air defense during that era. Now Chinese & Russian use 3 types of radars to detect them. Meter wave length plus 2 other types known as Passive Radars which does not transmit any radio wave outwards - one type uses background NOISES of environment, the other type uses the signals emissions from the US so call stealth planes to work. Background noise are signals from civilian cell phones, radios, TVs, wifi, bluetooth, gps, satellites, etc, when aircraft pass through the environment they blocks or disturbs these signals, comparison of background noises changes shows an aircraft is passing through. Then there is a lot of system inside the stealth fighters, radio linking to other planes and ships and ground and missiles and satellites etc, constantly connected in data network for advanced combat environment. These signals are tracked to reveal themselves in the other type of passive radar.

Whatever so call stealth aims only to take cover from detection at range from 15~600km only, when as near as only several km, there is sufficient reflection to any radar signals to be detected, difference is only seeming to be a smaller target than non-stealth planes. Missiles are fired from a long distance towards the approx areas where targets were detected, but the missiles' own radar (if equipped, some use non-radar) are not tracking targets all along the whole way. The AWAC or ground or sea radars are tracking, and they have to update the missiles along the way of the target movements. Only until the missiles and targets are very close, at final stage 1~2km distance, missiles switch to own ways of homing because being so near, they can do better than the radars far away, there is insufficient time & update to catch up with the final high speed homing from long distance. There are optical, radar, thermal or combination ways depending on missiles to complete their final homing hit.

In this short distance no stealth is possible, the only chance to avoid being hit is fire some countermeasures & abrupt sharp turning high-G maneuvers. Because of their high speeds, missiles are not good at turning sharp corners, if planes at lower speed turned abruptly & sharply the closely following missile's limitation may not be able to follow closer to the plane, and will end up over-shot and become flying further and further to target instead of nearer. Need lots of luck besides skill to escape this way.

retrenched · Feb 18, 2017

nkfnkfnkf said:
Not that way. The USA idea was to make them as least reflective as possible to the cm & mm wavelength radar frequently used in air defense during that era. Now Chinese & Russian use 3 types of radars to detect them. Meter wave length plus 2 other types known as Passive Radars which does not transmit any radio wave outwards - one type uses background NOISES of environment, the other type uses the signals emissions from the US so call stealth planes to work. Background noise are signals from civilian cell phones, radios, TVs, wifi, bluetooth, gps, satellites, etc, when aircraft pass through the environment they blocks or disturbs these signals, comparison of background noises changes shows an aircraft is passing through. Then there is a lot of system inside the stealth fighters, radio linking to other planes and ships and ground and missiles and satellites etc, constantly connected in data network for advanced combat environment. These signals are tracked to reveal themselves in the other type of passive radar.

Whatever so call stealth aims only to take cover from detection at range from 15~600km only, when as near as only several km, there is sufficient reflection to any radar signals to be detected, difference is only seeming to be a smaller target than non-stealth planes. Missiles are fired from a long distance towards the approx areas where targets were detected, but the missiles' own radar (if equipped, some use non-radar) are not tracking targets all along the whole way. The AWAC or ground or sea radars are tracking, and they have to update the missiles along the way of the target movements. Only until the missiles and targets are very close, at final stage 1~2km distance, missiles switch to own ways of homing because being so near, they can do better than the radars far away, there is insufficient time & update to catch up with the final high speed homing from long distance. There are optical, radar, thermal or combination ways depending on missiles to complete their final homing hit.

In this short distance no stealth is possible, the only chance to avoid being hit is fire some countermeasures & abrupt sharp turning high-G maneuvers. Because of their high speeds, missiles are not good at turning sharp corners, if planes at lower speed turned abruptly & sharply the closely following missile's limitation may not be able to follow closer to the plane, and will end up over-shot and become flying further and further to target instead of nearer. Need lots of luck besides skill to escape this way.

1) vera and kolchuga will be used in conjunction with traditional long wavelength surveilance radars.
2) in the case of russia, a flanker will be designated as awacs.
3) knowing the f22's sophisticated ecm suite and kinematic performance, many missiles will be fired to prevent the plane from escaping by countermeasures or evasion.

Hans168 · Feb 18, 2017

Dr Ng has met US mad dog....... no doubt his got his balls squezzszzzzz to buy 2oo F 35

Victory2016 · Feb 19, 2017

Buy F-35 also no use lah, when the Commander is indecisive and unable to make proper political or strategic decisions
Better spend the money on Healthcare and Education, produce more local doctors, nurses and teachers

syed putra · Feb 19, 2017

One aircraft carrier fleet is enough to silence the PLA into being docile dogs like what they were compared to by european colonists.

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