Chitchat Concrete Ceiling Collapse In Rental HDB Nearly Kills Pioneer Sinkie! Guess Where?

JohnTan · Feb 8, 2017

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Madam Chen was walking to the toilet of her two-room rented flat when concrete pieces from her kitchen ceiling landed just in front of her.

This happened at Block 51 Marine Terrace in the wee hours of Monday morning (Feb 6).

The crash was so loud that their neighbour from a lower floor came up to find out what was happening.

It was not the first time that Madam Chen, 70 years old and her husband Mr Lee, 75 years old, have experienced spalling concrete in their flat. However, this incident was more serious than the previous occasion as the chunks that fell were about the size of a mahjong table.

Officers from the Housing Development Board visited the flat on Monday itself. Temporary repair work was done to prevent more concrete from spalling.

The block is 43 years old. The couple have been living in it for 18 years.

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Charlie99 · Feb 8, 2017

The HDB flats are built for 99 year lease, but may be due to the humidity, or poor quality or the concrete did not cure properly,
it is falling apart.

Papsmearer · Feb 9, 2017

Charlie99 said:
The HDB flats are built for 99 year lease, but may be due to the humidity, or poor quality or the concrete did not cure properly,
it is falling apart.

HDB never intended it to last 99 years. therefore, when they sign the lease with you, they are committing fraud. The workmanship, material and design for these buildings maybe will last 50 odd years. The HDB always planned to en bloc it or kick the tenants out and move them to newer estate while they develop taller buildings from the old ones they demolished. Doesn't look like the rebar was laid properly. I can see some overlapping metal bars. And the spalling happens at the boundary of the concrete pour. Maybe the concrete composition was different? Anyway, why are the floors so thin that upstairs can hear the commotion down stairs. Usually concrete sound insulation is quite good at this thickness.

nayr69sg · Feb 9, 2017

Papsmearer said:
HDB never intended it to last 99 years. therefore, when they sign the lease with you, they are committing fraud. The workmanship, material and design for these buildings maybe will last 50 odd years. The HDB always planned to en bloc it or kick the tenants out and move them to newer estate while they develop taller buildings from the old ones they demolished. Doesn't look like the rebar was laid properly. I can see some overlapping metal bars. And the spalling happens at the boundary of the concrete pour. Maybe the concrete composition was different? Anyway, why are the floors so thin that upstairs can hear the commotion down stairs. Usually concrete sound insulation is quite good at this thickness.

Singapore is a baby country. This whole 99-year lease scam will come to light as the years go by. Right now, the sinkies still being scammed and they don't realize it. But when it comes to the next generations who have to deal with the fallout when the properties become worthless, that generation will see the light.

Meanwhile, sell sell to these oblivious sinkies!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *choke* *choke* *cough* *cough*

tanwahtiu · Feb 9, 2017

Cheap Singapore are not good.
Good Singapore don't come cheap.

nayr69sg · Feb 9, 2017

tanwahtiu said:
Cheap Singapore are not good.
Good Singapore don't come cheap.

Frankly, Singapore is just not worth it lah.

eatshitndie · Feb 9, 2017

Charlie99 said:
The HDB flats are built for 99 year lease, but may be due to the humidity, or poor quality or the concrete did not cure properly,
it is falling apart.

too much sand and not enough cement and aggregate/gravel in the concrete mixture. old hdb flats were literally built by hand. as a kid i like to use my bino and watch contractor and his samsui women mix concrete in the construction of neighboring block. it was painstaking. they would mix concrete by hand on the ground and wheelbarrow mixture to upper floors via makeshift ramps, one wheelbarrow at a time. since sand was more abundant and cheaper at that time can remember the sand pile was bigger than the stack of cement bags and gravel pile. the supervisor suka suka anyhow humtum add sand, pour a bag of cement and shovel gravel without following recommended portions for each. the best practice then was anyhow cook a mixture, like char kway teow vendor. can still see the handiwork and workmanship of these blocks built in the 60s and 70s. crooked parapets, uneven walls, cracked ceilings. rebars inside should be rusting and corroding by now.

Charlie99 · Feb 9, 2017

eatshitndie said:
too much sand and not enough cement and aggregate/gravel in the concrete mixture. old hdb flats were literally built by hand. as a kid i like to use my bino and watch contractor and his samsui women mix concrete in the construction of neighboring block. it was painstaking. they would mix concrete by hand on the ground and wheelbarrow mixture to upper floors via makeshift ramps, one wheelbarrow at a time. since sand was more abundant and cheaper at that time can remember the sand pile was bigger than the stack of cement bags and gravel pile. the supervisor suka suka anyhow humtum add sand, pour a bag of cement and shovel gravel without following recommended portions for each. the best practice then was anyhow cook a mixture, like char kway teow vendor. can still see the handiwork and workmanship of these blocks built in the 60s and 70s. crooked parapets, uneven walls, cracked ceilings. rebars inside should be rusting and corroding by now.

I was unaware.
Scary

mojito · Feb 9, 2017

That's why govt wants you to buy hdb flats. Tenants never take care of flat! :mad:

Papsmearer · Feb 9, 2017

eatshitndie said:
too much sand and not enough cement and aggregate/gravel in the concrete mixture. old hdb flats were literally built by hand. as a kid i like to use my bino and watch contractor and his samsui women mix concrete in the construction of neighboring block. it was painstaking. they would mix concrete by hand on the ground and wheelbarrow mixture to upper floors via makeshift ramps, one wheelbarrow at a time. since sand was more abundant and cheaper at that time can remember the sand pile was bigger than the stack of cement bags and gravel pile. the supervisor suka suka anyhow humtum add sand, pour a bag of cement and shovel gravel without following recommended portions for each. the best practice then was anyhow cook a mixture, like char kway teow vendor. can still see the handiwork and workmanship of these blocks built in the 60s and 70s. crooked parapets, uneven walls, cracked ceilings. rebars inside should be rusting and corroding by now.

Yes, I remember this too. Also, don't forget a lot of the older flats were build by Thais and Banglas after the samsui women were retired. And these Thais were until a few short weeks before, farmers. while the banglas were uneducated and unemployed. All given some minimal training and then send to build HDB flats in zikapore. Then you wonder why the concrete spalls.

Papsmearer · Feb 9, 2017

eatshitndie said:
too much sand and not enough cement and aggregate/gravel in the concrete mixture. old hdb flats were literally built by hand. as a kid i like to use my bino and watch contractor and his samsui women mix concrete in the construction of neighboring block. it was painstaking. they would mix concrete by hand on the ground and wheelbarrow mixture to upper floors via makeshift ramps, one wheelbarrow at a time. since sand was more abundant and cheaper at that time can remember the sand pile was bigger than the stack of cement bags and gravel pile. the supervisor suka suka anyhow humtum add sand, pour a bag of cement and shovel gravel without following recommended portions for each. the best practice then was anyhow cook a mixture, like char kway teow vendor. can still see the handiwork and workmanship of these blocks built in the 60s and 70s. crooked parapets, uneven walls, cracked ceilings. rebars inside should be rusting and corroding by now.

Actually, the most solid flats were those build under SIT and
the low rise blocks in the early estates like Queenstown. But all those are demolished now. They were build really solid, ask any contractor who had to demolish them. But low rise don't make money for the HDB like high rise.

eatshitndie · Feb 9, 2017

Papsmearer said:
Actually, the most solid flats were those build under SIT and
the low rise blocks in the early estates like Queenstown. But all those are demolished now. They were build really solid, ask any contractor who had to demolish them. But low rise don't make money for the HDB like high rise.

for those flats i'm too young to see how they were built thus cannot provide anecdotal evidence. but i agree with you that they are solidly in stable condition - 1st, they are lower and thus have less weight pressing down; 2nd, they were built in an era when angmo or brit administrators and professionals were still around for plans, permits and supervision; 3rd, early sinkie engineers and professionals were straight arrows and no anyhow humtum char kway teow hawkers. still see low rises of pubic housing in the old airport road area, right across from hawker center. i remember vividly when a chiobu spg dashed from bus stop to the nearest ground floor (open) doorway where an uncle was standing, shoved him aside, and proceeded to shit in his loo. must be the runs from bad bee hoon. from that moment on i started having fascination with runny fecal matter.

Alamakinky · Feb 9, 2017

If you are aged 69 like me then you would have seen lots of the samsui women working on the old SIT flats. They were hardy and tough and many of them smoked ang hoon.

eatshitndie said:
for those flats i'm too young to see how they were built thus cannot provide anecdotal evidence. but i agree with you that they are solidly in stable condition - 1st, they are lower and thus have less weight pressing down; 2nd, they were built in an era when angmo or brit administrators and professionals were still around for plans, permits and supervision; 3rd, early sinkie engineers and professionals were straight arrows and no anyhow humtum char kway teow hawkers. still see low rises of pubic housing in the old airport road area, right across from hawker center. i remember vividly when a chiobu spg dashed from bus stop to the nearest ground floor (open) doorway where an uncle was standing, shoved him aside, and proceeded to shit in his loo. must be the runs from bad bee hoon. from that moment on i started having fascination with runny fecal matter.

Papsmearer · Feb 9, 2017

Alamakinky said:
If you are aged 69 like me then you would have seen lots of the samsui women working on the old SIT flats. They were hardy and tough and many of them smoked ang hoon.

Yeah, they were really tough. Used to see them balance 2 heavy loads on a bamboo stick over their backs. Ask our NS boys to do it for 30 mins and they will cry. The samsui women did it all day long in the hot sun.

eatshitndie · Feb 9, 2017

Alamakinky said:
If you are aged 69 like me then you would have seen lots of the samsui women working on the old SIT flats. They were hardy and tough and many of them smoked ang hoon.

and raiders will most likely say they are no longer bonkable.

ckmpd · Feb 9, 2017

Charlie99 said:
The HDB flats are built for 99 year lease, but may be due to the humidity, or poor quality or the concrete did not cure properly,
it is falling apart.

With unqualified and unskilled 3rd world foreigners building our HDB flats and condos, more problems will surface in the next 20 to 30yrs

Alamakinky · Feb 9, 2017

NS boys have maids to carry their stuff in the field in times of peace and during war.

Papsmearer said:
Yeah, they were really tough. Used to see them balance 2 heavy loads on a bamboo stick over their backs. Ask our NS boys to do it for 30 mins and they will cry. The samsui women did it all day long in the hot sun.

Alamakinky · Feb 9, 2017

Raiders will bonk from age 9 till 69 through to 99. So at the moment some of the surviving samsui women would still be bonkable.

eatshitndie said:
and raiders will most likely say they are no longer bonkable.

zhihau · Feb 9, 2017

nayr69sg said:
Meanwhile, sell sell to these oblivious sinkies!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *choke* *choke* *cough* *cough*

Most Sinkies do not realize they are paying upfront rentals with interests to boot, they hold on to neither the pigeon hole nor its title deed... home owners? Bwahahahahahahaaa... :biggrin:

johnny333 · Feb 9, 2017

ckmpd said:
With unqualified and unskilled 3rd world foreigners building our HDB flats and condos, more problems will surface in the next 20 to 30yrs

When I see giant monstrosities like the Pinnacle that is 50 stories high I worry because there is less margin for error. Many will get hurt or die if anything were to happen.

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