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Chitchat Woo-hoo! Spicer says Trump vows to stop China's access to SCS islands!

kryonlight

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Trump White House vows to stop China taking South China Sea islands

The new U.S. administration of President Donald Trump vowed on Monday that the United States would prevent China from taking over territory in international waters in the South China Sea, something Chinese state media has warned would require Washington to "wage war."

The comments at a briefing from White House spokesman Sean Spicer signaled a sharp departure from years of cautious U.S. handling of China's assertive pursuit of territory claims in Asia, just days after Trump took office on Friday.

"The U.S. is going to make sure that we protect our interests there," Spicer said when asked if Trump agreed with comments by his Secretary of State nominee, Rex Tillerson, on Jan. 11 that China should not be allowed access to islands it has built in the contested South China Sea.

"It’s a question of if those islands are in fact in international waters and not part of China proper, then yeah, we’re going to make sure that we defend international territories from being taken over by one country," he said.

Tillerson's remarks at his Senate confirmation hearing prompted Chinese state media to say the United States would need to "wage war" to bar China's access to the islands where it has built military-length air strips and installed weapons systems.

Tillerson, who was expected to be confirmed as secretary of State on Monday, was asked at the hearing whether he supported a more aggressive posture toward China and said: "We’re going to have to send China a clear signal that, first, the island-building stops and, second, your access to those islands also is not going to be allowed.”

The former Exxon Mobil Corp (XOM.N) chairman and chief executive did not elaborate on what might be done to deny China access to the islands.

But analysts said his comments, like those of Spicer, suggested the possibility of U.S. military action, or even a naval blockade, that would risk armed confrontation with China, an increasingly formidable nuclear-armed military power. It is also the world's second-largest economy and the target of accusations by Trump that it is stealing American jobs.

Spicer declined to elaborate when asked how the United States could enforce such a move against China, except to say: “I think, as we develop further, we’ll have more information on it.”

Military experts said that while the U.S. Navy has extensive capabilities in Asia to stage blockading operations with ships, submarines and planes, any such move against China's growing naval fleets would risk dangerous escalation.

Aides have said that Trump plans a major naval build-up in East Asia to counter China's rise.

China's embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the White House remarks.

China's Foreign Ministry said earlier this month it could not guess what Tillerson meant by his remarks, which came after Trump questioned Washington's longstanding and highly sensitive "one-China" policy over Taiwan.

Washington-based South China Sea expert Mira Rapp-Hooper at the Center for a New American Security called the threats to bar China's access in the South China Sea "incredible" and said it had no basis in international law.

"A blockade - which is what would be required to actually bar access - is an act of war," she added.

"The Trump administration has begun to draw red lines in Asia that they will almost certainly not be able to uphold, but they may nonetheless be very destabilizing to the relationship with China, invite crises, and convince the rest of the world that the United States is an unreliable partner."

Bonnie Glaser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank called Spicer's remarks "worrisome" and said the new administration was "sending confusing and conflicting messages."

Dean Cheng, a China expert at the conservative Heritage Foundation, said Spicer's remarks showed the South China Sea was an important issue for the Trump administration.

He said it was significant that neither Spicer nor Tillerson had been specific as to what actions would be taken and this left open the possibility that economic measures - instead of military steps - could be used against China and firms that carry out island building.
 

winners

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I'm waiting to see what their Sam Seng Times will next say? I guess it'll be the same old phrases: Go to war with the US, nobody can stop our sovereign rights, give them a bloody nose, etc. I'll say: Fuck to the Chinks.
 

PTADER

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Nothing's going to happen. Anyone familiar with negotiation techniques knows that this is simply part and parcel of negotiation. It's like a housewife offering 50 cents for a fish when the fishmonger offers to sell the fish for $1 and both eventually settle for 75 cents.

In this case, the US is offering China 10 cents instead of the more usual 50 cents opening offer as part of Trump's more hardball and strident negotiating style. China will be steadfast in its refusal and stick to $1 as it sees Taiwan and the SCS as its territories. The US will not risk war with a nuclear armed state.

US allies in Asia will tell the US to fuck off (as Australia has already done) and not cause trouble in Asia's backyards if or when it comes to the crunch. They have seen the US' destruction of the Middle East and will not allow this to happen as it will destroy Asia. The peace and relative quiet has allowed Asian countries (including US tribal allies such as Australia and NZ) to prosper, progress and raise living standards for its people.
 

Reddog

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Don't worry lah. USA never start a war with anybody that can fight back. Talk only. Anyway, a war will also be good for China to show her true position in Asia; and the wider world.

USA risks exposing itself as the paper tiger here. China is merely defending.

"Invincibility lies in the defense; the possibility of victory in the attack." so said old Sun Tze. Period.
 

Rogue Trader

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USA can't even defeat armed goat herders in the Afghan mountains... Let's see how they do against China
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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China is using SCS to unite Chinese nationalism.

Trump is also using China to unite American nationalism.

Both are playing to their own gallery.
 

apogee

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China does not need to start a physical war with US. All she needs to do is withdrawn her 3 trillion USD form US. USD will become a 3rd world currency.
 

johnny333

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Trump will need the support of gov'ts in the region if he wants to confront the chinese, However he has already indicated that he wants to withdraw from the region & that it will be all about US first policy.

So who can he count on to support him outside the US :confused:
 

eatshitndie

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Trump will need the support of gov'ts in the region if he wants to confront the chinese, However he has already indicated that he wants to withdraw from the region & that it will be all about US first policy.

So who can he count on to support him outside the US :confused:

very easy. u.s. have means to stealthily sabotage military installations on shoals leaving them uninhabitable. don't need to chase tiongs away actively. just sit and wait, and tiongs will run back to mainland with tails in their rear. and the whole world will be laughing their arses off. and it will be back to business as usual.
 

KuanTi01

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very easy. u.s. have means to stealthily sabotage military installations on shoals leaving them uninhabitable. don't need to chase tiongs away actively. just sit and wait, and tiongs will run back to mainland with tails in their rear. and the whole world will be laughing their arses off. and it will be back to business as usual.

With all due respect, do you seriously expect the Tiongs to be so impotent? You mean they will just wait and see and then die. The whole world will be laughing at the UArseA for being so self-righteous and self-important. US Hypocrisy of the highest order! I hope war breaks out between the 2 and we shall see who blinks first when the body bags count begin. :biggrin:
 

tanwahtiu

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Chinese can state UArseA demolish Guam first or else Chinese will go to war too.
Guam is an artificial island too. So what the fuck different hypocrite angmoh.
What else in or near pacific island did the UArseA reclaim to make military base.

Fuck u angmoh drug trafficker.


Trump White House vows to stop China taking South China Sea islands

The new U.S. administration of President Donald Trump vowed on Monday that the United States would prevent China from taking over territory in international waters in the South China Sea, something Chinese state media has warned would require Washington to "wage war."

The comments at a briefing from White House spokesman Sean Spicer signaled a sharp departure from years of cautious U.S. handling of China's assertive pursuit of territory claims in Asia, just days after Trump took office on Friday.

"The U.S. is going to make sure that we protect our interests there," Spicer said when asked if Trump agreed with comments by his Secretary of State nominee, Rex Tillerson, on Jan. 11 that China should not be allowed access to islands it has built in the contested South China Sea.

"It’s a question of if those islands are in fact in international waters and not part of China proper, then yeah, we’re going to make sure that we defend international territories from being taken over by one country," he said.

Tillerson's remarks at his Senate confirmation hearing prompted Chinese state media to say the United States would need to "wage war" to bar China's access to the islands where it has built military-length air strips and installed weapons systems.

Tillerson, who was expected to be confirmed as secretary of State on Monday, was asked at the hearing whether he supported a more aggressive posture toward China and said: "We’re going to have to send China a clear signal that, first, the island-building stops and, second, your access to those islands also is not going to be allowed.”

The former Exxon Mobil Corp (XOM.N) chairman and chief executive did not elaborate on what might be done to deny China access to the islands.

But analysts said his comments, like those of Spicer, suggested the possibility of U.S. military action, or even a naval blockade, that would risk armed confrontation with China, an increasingly formidable nuclear-armed military power. It is also the world's second-largest economy and the target of accusations by Trump that it is stealing American jobs.

Spicer declined to elaborate when asked how the United States could enforce such a move against China, except to say: “I think, as we develop further, we’ll have more information on it.”

Military experts said that while the U.S. Navy has extensive capabilities in Asia to stage blockading operations with ships, submarines and planes, any such move against China's growing naval fleets would risk dangerous escalation.

Aides have said that Trump plans a major naval build-up in East Asia to counter China's rise.

China's embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the White House remarks.

China's Foreign Ministry said earlier this month it could not guess what Tillerson meant by his remarks, which came after Trump questioned Washington's longstanding and highly sensitive "one-China" policy over Taiwan.

Washington-based South China Sea expert Mira Rapp-Hooper at the Center for a New American Security called the threats to bar China's access in the South China Sea "incredible" and said it had no basis in international law.

"A blockade - which is what would be required to actually bar access - is an act of war," she added.

"The Trump administration has begun to draw red lines in Asia that they will almost certainly not be able to uphold, but they may nonetheless be very destabilizing to the relationship with China, invite crises, and convince the rest of the world that the United States is an unreliable partner."

Bonnie Glaser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank called Spicer's remarks "worrisome" and said the new administration was "sending confusing and conflicting messages."

Dean Cheng, a China expert at the conservative Heritage Foundation, said Spicer's remarks showed the South China Sea was an important issue for the Trump administration.

He said it was significant that neither Spicer nor Tillerson had been specific as to what actions would be taken and this left open the possibility that economic measures - instead of military steps - could be used against China and firms that carry out island building.
 

tanwahtiu

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This time no opium trade 2000% profit margin who will join ex colonial British empire UArseA.

Money talks when come to war.

Trump will need the support of gov'ts in the region if he wants to confront the chinese, However he has already indicated that he wants to withdraw from the region & that it will be all about US first policy.

So who can he count on to support him outside the US :confused:
 

3_M

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Logistically over stretch for usn as scs is too near to China and too far from usn nearest bases in Guam and Okinawa. It just like sending our rsn frigate to fight in Taiwan Straits without any logistical support of nearby base.
 

scroobal

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History shows that China has never engaged anyone in its 4,000 history except Vietnam and they got mauled and return home pronto and nothing to show for it. Trump is an unknown and unpredictable so no one knows what he will do.

If anything confrontational occurs, it will be a short term skirmish at an Island location as a show of force by both sides. China will certainly cave when Trump told them to keep the drone and out of embarrassment they returned it and no mention of the episode thereafter from the media.

Both sides will of course claim thru the media they won the skirmish to fool their own people. China cannot production for US suppliers or do anything trade wise as it will be their people that will suffer. Already Foxconn has caved in and build their latest plant in the US.

What one will see in the next 4 years is China parading double the amount of intercontinental missiles, Global Times will spewing claims and Shaun Spicer will be doing the same.
 

Spock

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History shows that China has never engaged anyone in its 4,000 history except Vietnam and they got mauled and return home pronto and nothing to show for it.

If you don't know anything, keeping your mouth shut, or in this case, keeping your itchy fingers away from the keyboard, would be the wisest action you can take. But I guess advice like this has no effect on idiots. I can see that it is futile to engage you further in any sort of intelligent discourse so I will leave you to ruminate in your fantasy world henceforth.
 

Hans168

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uncouth way of forcing China to negotiate.......... negotiate what??? 20 trillion deficit went to all the stupid wars and 911 vendetta...... all these now in Balance Sheet viz a viz China
what abt the mega sums stolen by Wall St and their mega banks???? .......... n assholes like Trump who paid NO tax
 

Hans168

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History shows that China has never engaged anyone in its 4,000 history except Vietnam and they got mauled and return home pronto and nothing to show for it.e.

China got mauled by Vietcongs becos of defective ammos, and cocked up weapons............
 

scroobal

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How about giving facts. The Mongols ruled China for a period of time. Your turn.

If you don't know anything, keeping your mouth shut, or in this case, keeping your itchy fingers away from the keyboard, would be the wisest action you can take. But I guess advice like this has no effect on idiots. I can see that it is futile to engage you further in any sort of intelligent discourse so I will leave you to ruminate in your fantasy world henceforth.
 

Jah_rastafar_I

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Nothing's going to happen. Anyone familiar with negotiation techniques knows that this is simply part and parcel of negotiation. It's like a housewife offering 50 cents for a fish when the fishmonger offers to sell the fish for $1 and both eventually settle for 75 cents.

In this case, the US is offering China 10 cents instead of the more usual 50 cents opening offer as part of Trump's more hardball and strident negotiating style. China will be steadfast in its refusal and stick to $1 as it sees Taiwan and the SCS as its territories. The US will not risk war with a nuclear armed state.

US allies in Asia will tell the US to fuck off (as Australia has already done) and not cause trouble in Asia's backyards if or when it comes to the crunch. They have seen the US' destruction of the Middle East and will not allow this to happen as it will destroy Asia. The peace and relative quiet has allowed Asian countries (including US tribal allies such as Australia and NZ) to prosper, progress and raise living standards for its people.



see how excited shit skin winners and Chinese dog kryonlight are when the US threatens China. Like they are a part of the US attacking China. :rolleyes:
 
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