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Serious Shanmugam: Gahmen Worried About Muslims Being Alienated From Sinkies!

JohnTan

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Singaporeans can expect new policies to tackle acts that deprecate other races or religions, preach intolerance, or sow religious friction. The government states that there are worrying trends of sentiments preached by some Muslim groups in Singapore, which if become widespread, can cause a Muslim community that grows apart from the mainstream.

Home Affairs and Law Minister K Shanmugam warned of this trend yesterday (19 Jan) in his opening speech at a two-day symposium organised by the S Rajaratnam School of International Studies (RSIS).

The Minister said, among sections of our younger Muslim population, sentiments against wishing Christians ‘Merry Christmas’ or wishing Hindus ‘Happy Deepavali’ have been picked up.

“Some Muslim groups preach that it is wrong for Muslims to recite the National Pledge, or sing the National Anthem, or serve National Service, as doing so would contradict the Muslim faith,”
Mr Shanmugam said.

“Or that the democratically elected Government that we have in Singapore is incompatible with Islam, and that we should be a caliphate.”

“These are worrying trends and if these sentiments become widespread, a Muslim community that grows apart from the mainstream is not good for Singapore and will have serious long-term implications,” he stated.

Mr Shanmugam mentioned the bloody history of religions causing untold suffering to millions, while trying to explain, how the rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) group could be traced to charismatic preachers exploiting issues of interest to Muslims to achieve political power.

In the neighboring countries, Islam in particular has been used over the last few decades as a tool in political power play and to cultivate an us-versus-them mentality, he said.

Pointing to Malaysia, Mr Shanmugam said that it has become more Islamic and politics led the change.

A survey last year showed 60 per cent of Malays identified themselves as Muslims first, rather than as Malaysians or Malays, and more than 70 per cent of Malays support hudud laws that punish theft by chopping off the criminal's hands, and adultery by stoning.

Against the backdrop of such changes, some Malaysians have begun to support extremist terrorist ideology. A recent Pew Research Centre study showed 10 percent of Malaysian Malays had a favourable opinion of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

"Consider the nature of the threat posed, if even a small fraction of these become radicalised," said Mr Shanmugam.

In Indonesia, Islamic boarding schools and madrasahs are suspected to have links with terror networks and serve as conduits for money to the Middle East, he added.

Also, the country's lack of preventive detention laws has led to hundreds of terrorists linked to Jemaah Islamiah being released back into society, including those previously involved in plots against Singapore.


Thailand, the Philippines and Myanmar face the possibility of inter-religious strife too, he said, pointing that the socioeconomic conditions of their respective Muslim populations have added to the potency of the terrorism threat.

Mr Shanmugam said that the Government is watching the development closely and will take steps to address the issue, and he commended Muslim population’s stance in the country so far.

“You are a successful model to the modern world for your moderate, respectful worldview and practices. The community must continue to preserve and protect its way of life, despite challenges within and without,” he said.

“There is a fine line between gaining a better understanding of religion and celebrating the country’s diversity by identifying as Singaporeans first; Chinese, Malay or Indian second, versus believing that our religion requires us to be separate,” said Mr Shanmugam.

He quoted the words of the late founding Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew, who had spoken about the Singaporean Chinese, Singaporean Malay and Singaporean Indian as opposed to the Chinese Singaporean, Malay Singaporean and Indian Singaporean.



On the safety of the country, Mr Shanmugam said, “Singapore is fairly secure. We have tight laws, tight gun control, and with intelligence work, we try to prevent attacks from happening. But attackers are likely to gather and plan just outside Singapore and attack us, like the attack on Paris was probably planned in Molenbeek, Belgium, where security was less tight.”

“So, in addition to hard security measures, we have to do one more thing which is very urgent. We have to move to change mindsets. Our people must realise that everyone is responsible for our collective security.”

“Over the next few months, my Ministry will announce some of the measures covering both the hard and soft aspects of Singapore's security, including the response by the community,” he said.

It leaves much to be seen what the Ministry of Home Affairs will push out as Singapore has already one of the toughest law in the developed world. Its Internal Security Act allows the government to arrest anyone it deems a threat to national security without trial for an unlimited period of time. For the past few years, the government has kept individuals whom it suspect of being religious extremists under detention without trial with many still kept in detention till date.

http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/201...lim-community-that-grows-apart-from-the-rest/
 

Semaj2357

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can't blame the m&ds if they feel alienated when you have an ignorant pinky ordering mee siam without cock-curls :p
 

Cottonmouth

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What the fuck is black dog barking about??
PAP import all the Ah Tiong, filthy Kelings and pinoys truckload, they make all the m&ds minority and now they worry??

Fuck Please?
 

tanwahtiu

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Flifthy Indian taking about race. Indian are the most racist. Get rid of them in government for God sake.
 

scroobal

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Until and unless the Malays as a community act against those who are deviating, it will continue to get worse. This has been going for nearly 2 decades in Singapore and they expect the government to be bad guys.

When Masagoes who sports a visible sign of the trend gets into cabinet it is a clear sign that they lost the battle.

They have slowly and surely have marginalised themselves.
 

cocobobo

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Until and unless the Malays as a community act against those who are deviating, it will continue to get worse. This has been going for nearly 2 decades in Singapore and they expect the government to be bad guys.

When Masagoes who sports a visible sign of the trend gets into cabinet it is a clear sign that they lost the battle.

They have slowly and surely have marginalised themselves.

I think masagos is much respected within their community. He'd do a better job reigning them in than yakut
 

ramai

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Until and unless the Malays as a community act against those who are deviating, it will continue to get worse. This has been going for nearly 2 decades in Singapore and they expect the government to be bad guys.

When Masagoes who sports a visible sign of the trend gets into cabinet it is a clear sign that they lost the battle.

They have slowly and surely have marginalised themselves.

The new law that requires Muslim teachers to be registered under the Asatizah Recognition Scheme will make more Malays think the Govt are the bad guys.
 

Cottonmouth

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I think masagos is much respected within their community. He'd do a better job reigning them in than yakut

Yakult is just a fucking clown.
I read some comments from the m&ds telling him not to embarrass himself and the community by standing for PE.
 

syed putra

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It was PAP that alienated the malays by dismantling their kampungs and scattering them all over the island so that they will never get a majority constituency.
PAP then segregated malays and made sure they can never hold important posts as they are deemed as security threat.
Now they sa6 makays cannot bkend in.
Hullo! Its immigrants who shoukd blend into malay customs and traditions. Not the other way round.
 

Cottonmouth

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It was PAP that alienated the malays by dismantling their kampungs and scattering them all over the island so that they will never get a majority constituency.
PAP then segregated malays and made sure they can never hold important posts as they are deemed as security threat.
Now they sa6 makays cannot bkend in.
Hullo! Its immigrants who shoukd blend into malay customs and traditions. Not the other way round.

Tell that to shangudog.
 

scroobal

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I think it is a significant and important move but there should be more Malays stepping forward and give voice behihind it especially the young. It cannot be the govt even though it was Yaacob who announced it.

More Malays stepping forward and voicing their concern is a signal not to the Chinese, Indians locals etc but to their fellow Malays that is trend is not on.

South African Muslims who have strong faith but are more westernised however have done a u-turn for political reasons. Nearly all the males sport beards, in full Arab garb even thought they came from India. Truly a sad sight. Though they are not at all attracted to the deviant trends, the change has led becoming insular and cutting themselves out of society.


The new law that requires Muslim teachers to be registered under the Asatizah Recognition Scheme will make more Malays think the Govt are the bad guys.
 

cocobobo

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The fact that he had to sport the goatee is a sign that he had to accept their terms first. Never a good sign.

He had a goatee since his ntu days. I knew him sparingly then, and his lecture mates told me they used to see him back then at void decks mingling with addicts and wayward kids trying to set them right. Think he's one of the rare good ones in this not for the money.
 

Papsmearer

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What the fuck is black dog barking about??
PAP import all the Ah Tiong, filthy Kelings and pinoys truckload, they make all the m&ds minority and now they worry??

Fuck Please?

Apparently, the local mat community is so fucked up they need an apuneh to tell them they could feel alienated. If this was such a potential problem, then why don't Yourcock, Halimah, or Mangoes speak up for their own community?
 

scroobal

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Fully aware of his background. He is the first community (as in select group) chosen candidate in the model brokered by GCT and the select group that made it to cabinet. Anyone else having similar ambition would be "wise" to get the goatee. If they did not have it but made cabinet, the view of other Singaporeans would be different. This is not about merit but about perception and that individual own confidence over his community.

He had a goatee since his ntu days. I knew him sparingly then, and his lecture mates told me they used to see him back then at void decks mingling with addicts and wayward kids trying to set them right. Think he's one of the rare good ones in this not for the money.
 

JohnTan

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It was PAP that alienated the malays by dismantling their kampungs and scattering them all over the island so that they will never get a majority constituency.
PAP then segregated malays and made sure they can never hold important posts as they are deemed as security threat.
Now they sa6 makays cannot bkend in.
Hullo! Its immigrants who shoukd blend into malay customs and traditions. Not the other way round.

The m&ds likely have a major constituency in geyland serai.

Most sinkies share the view that the m&ds are a security threat. I bet many m&ds themselves agree.

Singapore was mostly jungle and uninhabited when Raffles took over, save for a handful of little villages. There's no customs or traditions to blend into. Besides, most chink migrants are not keen to blend into sharia law and give up their own culture for an arab one.
 

cuckoldoolittle

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The more worrying trend is the rate at which the filipinos are replacing
the local malay and malay muslim population as the new "malay" christian
community in sngkapok.

As lky has warned before that ISLAM is a venomous religion.
The pap are just heeding lky warning seriously and actively.

Islam


In 1999, in a discussion forum, Lee Kuan Yew was asked whether the emotional bonds of various ethnic groups in Singapore could be a hurdle to nation building, Lee replied: "Yes, I think so, over a long period of time, and selectively. We must not make an error. If, for instance, you put in a Malay officer who's very religious and who has family ties in Malaysia in charge of a machine-gun unit, that's a very tricky business. We've got to know his background. I'm saying these things because they are real, and if I don't think that, and I think even if today the Prime Minister doesn't think carefully about this, we could have a tragedy. "So, these are problems which, as poly students, you're colour-blind to, but when you face life in reality, it's a different proposition."


In 2011, Wikileaks published diplomatic cables attributing controversial comments on Islam to Lee. Wikileaks quoted Lee as having described Islam as a "venomous religion". Lee qualified his remarks by saying it was taken out of context, "I did talk about extremist terrorists like the Jemaah Islamiyah group, and the jihadist preachers who brainwashed them. They are implacable in wanting to put down all who do not agree with them. So their Islam is a perverted version, which the overwhelming majority of Muslims in Singapore do not subscribe to".


The incident followed hot on the heels of Lee's 2011 book release Lee Kuan Yew: Hard Truths to Keep Singapore Going. In the book, Lee stated that Singaporean Muslims faced difficulties in integrating because of their religion, and urged them to "be less strict on Islamic observances".


 

JohnTan

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The more worrying trend is the rate at which the filipinos are replacing
the local malay and malay muslim population as the new "malay" christian
community in sngkapok.

As lky has warned before that ISLAM is a venomous religion.
The pap are just heeding lky warning seriously and actively.

Islam


In 1999, in a discussion forum, Lee Kuan Yew was asked whether the emotional bonds of various ethnic groups in Singapore could be a hurdle to nation building, Lee replied: "Yes, I think so, over a long period of time, and selectively. We must not make an error. If, for instance, you put in a Malay officer who's very religious and who has family ties in Malaysia in charge of a machine-gun unit, that's a very tricky business. We've got to know his background. I'm saying these things because they are real, and if I don't think that, and I think even if today the Prime Minister doesn't think carefully about this, we could have a tragedy. "So, these are problems which, as poly students, you're colour-blind to, but when you face life in reality, it's a different proposition."


In 2011, Wikileaks published diplomatic cables attributing controversial comments on Islam to Lee. Wikileaks quoted Lee as having described Islam as a "venomous religion". Lee qualified his remarks by saying it was taken out of context, "I did talk about extremist terrorists like the Jemaah Islamiyah group, and the jihadist preachers who brainwashed them. They are implacable in wanting to put down all who do not agree with them. So their Islam is a perverted version, which the overwhelming majority of Muslims in Singapore do not subscribe to".


The incident followed hot on the heels of Lee's 2011 book release Lee Kuan Yew: Hard Truths to Keep Singapore Going. In the book, Lee stated that Singaporean Muslims faced difficulties in integrating because of their religion, and urged them to "be less strict on Islamic observances".



Is there a 'machine gun unit' in the SAF today? Most soldiers themselves operate machine guns, given that there's an 'auto' function on their rifles.
 

cuckoldoolittle

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Is there a 'machine gun unit' in the SAF today? Most soldiers themselves operate machine guns, given that there's an 'auto' function on their rifles.


The "machine gun unit" that lky was referring to came from his personal experience working as a "collaborator translator" for the invading Japanese army in sngkapok during WWII.
lky had collaborated and assisted in translating the names of those Chinese males between the ages of 18 and 50 for mass screening during "Operation Cold Store" or I think it was "Operation Sook Ching" in 1942.

Thousands of these Chinese men were loaded into lorries and transported to remote areas such as Changi, Punggol and Bedok where the Japanese "machine gun unit" were waiting to carry the execution. At these sites, the thousands of innocent Chinese males whose names lky had helped translated were machine-gunned to death and their bodies were thrown into the sea.

The sight of these gory, brutal and barbaric massacre must have left lky with a deep, dark and traumatic fear of machine guns.

Between an invading Japanese army and a true blue sngkapokean malay officer, the hard truth is that lky had more faith and trust in the invading Japanese army than in a true blue sngkapokean malay officer, it's in lky's dna and in his blood line that harbor a deep secret distrust in sngkapok own true blue local daft citizens and hence most if not all pap's policies are meant to exploit, punish and exact hardship on local daft citizens in favor of foreigners.

With the advent of "Vehicle of Mass Destruction" as a choice "weapon of mass carnage", should the malay muslims community be also banned from operating such a "dangerous weapon"?


 
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