Chitchat Why Malays find their Muslim identity to be more salient than their "Malay" ancestry

1. m&ds don't celebrate any festival that can link to their racial identity except Islamic holidays

2. m&d names are arabic names, incidentally more non-malay people like me are more curious to know their pre-islamic names and pre-islamic origin. Although the Iranians are muslims, they retain their persian names

3. Yes, more appropriate and concise to call them south east asia arabs rather than Malay

whoami, your comment will be the most salient here.

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Sang Nila Utama

A pre-Islamic Malay name or a Indian influenced name?

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duluxe said:

Sang Nila Utama

A pre-Islamic Malay name or a Indian influenced name?

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The ones that retains their Malay identity are the Indonesians. They are still proud of their heritage not like the m&d in Malaysia. However, Indonesia is getting more and more fundamental Islamic also.

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Because the Malay race is always easily bought. During ww2 they were bought over by the Japanese who promised them positions of power in the liberated colony. After that the donations from wahab Sunnis turned them hardcore conservative Muslims.

And most recently Chinese central government's cheque books turned them into very firm allies...

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duluxe said:

whoami, your comment will be the most salient here.

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I am no historian. Some "qualified" historians already answer ur queries.

Anyway do u rather have ur names as tan ah kow, tan ah ter? Or rather have tan ah heng, tan ah huat? Do u rather have ur descendants retain their ancestor names like tan ah ter, tan ah kow in the name of preserving ur tradition/culture?

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Brown muslims are all stewPIG terrorists .................

[video=youtube;IhGPlwty5jk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhGPlwty5jk[/video]

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Rogue Trader said:

Because the Malay race is always easily bought. ..

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And let's not forget how easily Raffles "acquired" Singapura from an out-of-favour sultan's son to elevate his authority. Seriously, I don't think the inhabitants in this part of the world knew the basics of capitalism like currency and commerce until 200 years ago. That explains why Malays can't manage wealth

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duluxe said:

Sang Nila Utama

A pre-Islamic Malay name or a Indian influenced name?

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That's the name of my ex gf's secondary school

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Rogue Trader said:

And let's not forget how easily Raffles "acquired" Singapura from an out-of-favour sultan's son to elevate his authority. Seriously, I don't think the inhabitants in this part of the world knew the basics of capitalism like currency and commerce until 200 years ago. That explains why Malays can't manage wealth

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Count urself lucky. Sinkieland still survive. But things may be different years ahead if u know wat i mean. History tell us no one will forever be NO 1. When Dr M suggested bringing down the causeway, wat did GCT said? Now when Najib bring in huge investments fm Middle finger, wat did the readers here said? Sounds to me latter macam sour grapes.

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whoami said:

Count urself lucky. Sinkieland still survive. But thKings may be different years ahead if u know wat i mean. History tell us no one will forever be NO 1. When Dr M suggested bringing down the causeway, wat did GCT said? Now when Najib bring in huge investments fm Middle finger, wat did the readers here said?

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You are mistaken. I have never counted myself blessed to be born here as a 2nd generation sinkie. Although we have shared history with other races, it seems everyone is keen to go to bed with outsiders to destroy the collective cultural identify. When I'm in China I am not Chinese. When I'm in sinkapore i feel like it's not my home anymore even though I have spent most of my life here.

Sounds to me latter macam sour grapes.

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You still don't get the picture do you? Your ancestral home will now work with mine to destroy sinkapore

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Rogue Trader said:

You are mistaken. I have never counted myself blessed to be born here as a 2nd generation sinkie. Although we have shared history with other races, it seems everyone is keen to go to bed with outsiders to destroy the collective cultural identify. When I'm in China I am not Chinese. When I'm in sinkapore i feel like it's not my home anymore even though I have spent most of my life here.

But not everyone agree with u. Especially Jah Jamban. To him all Chinese are the same whether u r JiuHuKia Chinese, Prc, or Sinkie chinese.

You still don't get the picture do you? Your ancestral home will now work with mine to destroy sinkapore

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But Sinkie grment always said if Msia prosper, Sinkieland also prosper rite?

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whoami said:

But not everyone agree with u. Especially Jah Jamban. To him all Chinese are the same whether u r JiuHuKia Chinese, Prc, or Sinkie chinese.

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Why should everyone agree with me? Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion and change it when they seem fit

But Sinkie grment always said if Msia prosper, Sinkieland also prosper rite?

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Prosper at whose expense? And who do u think will benefit from the Chinese investment funds? Najip's wife or the average man on the street?

Please lah.. u are just reinforcing my point that Malays know shit about wealth

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http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/stop-aping-arabs-johor-sultan-tells-malays

Stop aping Arabs, Johor Sultan tells Malays

KUALA LUMPUR, March 24 ― The Johor Sultan has urged Malays to retain their culture instead of trying to imitate the Arabs, amid growing conservatism among Muslims and adoption of Arabic cultural practices.

Sultan Ibrahim Ibni Sultan Iskandar told English language daily The Star that he preferred using Malay words like “Hari Raya” and “buka puasa” (breaking fast), instead of the respective Arabic terms “Eid al-Fitr” and “iftar”.

“If there are some of you who wish to be an Arab and practise Arab culture, and do not wish to follow our Malay customs and traditions, that is up to you. I also welcome you to live in Saudi Arabia,” Sultan Ibrahim was quoted saying in the interview published today.

“That is your right but I believe there are Malays who are proud of the Malay culture. At least I am real and not a hypocrite and the people of Johor know who their ruler is,” the outspoken ruler added.

The Johor sultan’s remarks come amid the so-called “Arabisation” of Islam in Malaysia, where there is increasing pressure on Muslim women to wear a headscarf and to cover their “aurat”, as well as the growing popularity of Arabic terms and dress like the “jubah”.

Sultan Ibrahim also told The Star that he has shaken women’s hands, even as conservative Muslims frown upon members of the opposite sex shaking hands.

“Why must I change? You do not have to be fanatic. If they (women) are not sure, I ask if they want to shake my hands. If they do not want to shake my hands, there is no problem,” he was quoted saying.

The ruler also criticised the Batu Pahat Public Works Department (JKR) for putting up a notice that warned Muslim women that they would be hung by their hair in hell if they did not cover up.

State Public Works, Rural and Regional Development committee chairman Datuk Hasni Mohammad reportedly said the notice would be taken down.

“Since when is JKR, whether at state or district level, being put in charge of religious matters? Their main job is to make sure the roads are properly maintained and not worry about women’s hair,” Sultan Ibrahim was quoted saying.

“It is not the business of government departments to worry about people’s dressing. Just do what you are paid to do and mind your own business,” he added.

- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...ohor-sultan-tells-malays#sthash.pTiIMmz5.dpuf

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whoami said:

I am no historian. Some "qualified" historians already answer ur queries.

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What are their answers?

"qualified" historians = islamic clerics ??

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So the Johorean Mats wanna marry child brides ?
And kiss little boy's penis ? :p

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whoami said:

Anyway do u rather have ur names as tan ah kow, tan ah ter? Or rather have tan ah heng, tan ah huat? Do u rather have ur descendants retain their ancestor names like tan ah ter, tan ah kow in the name of preserving ur tradition/culture?

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Chinese and indian names have much more combinations, what you know are peasant names. What you know look very limited and you don't even know the name of a famous chinese muslim?

Persians are next door neighbours with the arabs and they are able to preserve their cultures, festivals and names. They celebrate more persian originated festivals than islamic festivals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_festivals_in_Iran

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whoami said:

Count urself lucky. Sinkieland still survive. But things may be different years ahead if u know wat i mean. History tell us no one will forever be NO 1. When Dr M suggested bringing down the causeway, wat did GCT said? Now when Najib bring in huge investments fm Middle finger, wat did the readers here said? Sounds to me latter macam sour grapes.

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Can write in proper english you dumb m&d? Also what middle finger? China invests in your mudland country and you call it middle finger? Shows how ungrateful you m&ds are.

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whoami said:

I am no historian. Some "qualified" historians already answer ur queries.

Anyway do u rather have ur names as tan ah kow, tan ah ter? Or rather have tan ah heng, tan ah huat? Do u rather have ur descendants retain their ancestor names like tan ah ter, tan ah kow in the name of preserving ur tradition/culture?

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fuck u la nigger what tan ah kow tan ah ter?

FYI putting ah in front of someone's name is just the local way of addressing someone informally mostly used amongst family members or the older generation. Real Chinese names are not tan ah kow or ah ter. In any case these are all Chinese names used by Chinese ppl unlike you wearing the backside skin of arabs on your faces and becoming fake arabs. At least Chinese ppl have their own culture and follow them proudly unlike m&ds like you. Now play your victim card.

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No virgins no everlasting life in his eternal kingdom,no opportunity to exact revenge on those who oppress you and look down on you,what more u want?

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whoami,

Malays today cannot live without Islam, without Islam the malayu race will lose their sense of identity.

To be a Malay you must be a Muslim.

The Malay race must be grateful to the great Indian Muslims for bringing Islam to them. Malays must allow Indian Muslim men to fcuk their minahs to show gtatitude.


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