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Chitchat Indon's tax amnesty ruling sucking 30 billion worth of stashed funds back from SG

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[FONT=&amp]Singapore bankers see $30 bln flowing back to Indonesia[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]The Star Online
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[FONT=&amp]JAKARTA: Indonesians who have stashed billions of dollars abroad over the years can now bring their hoard safely back home - literally, to a newly bought condo.

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[FONT=&amp]That's the pitch from PT Intiland Development Tbk and other Indonesian property developers that aim to grab a slice of at least $30 billion expected to be brought back to Southeast Asia's biggest economy under a tax amnesty programme implemented last month.

Intiland has launched a new marketing campaign featuring a bird soaring above high-rise towers, with the slogan: "Buy property with tax amnesty."

"This is a positive momentum for the tax amnesty, which we will take advantage of as maximally as we can," Intiland director Archied Noto Pradono told reporters last week.

Indonesia will impose a 2-5 percent tax for assets brought back by March 2017 in return for a pardon for past evasions. The funds must be kept in Indonesia for three years and can be invested in several ways, including direct purchases of property.

The amnesty comes amid heightened scrutiny in Singapore and wealth management centres elsewhere over undeclared wealth. Indonesia, Singapore, Switzerland and Hong Kong are among 101 jurisdictions committed to start exchanging information to combat tax evasion by 2018. (http://bit.Iy/2aHqdPY)

Singapore-based bankers and lawyers expect roughly $30 billion to exit the city-state, where around $200 billion of Indonesian money is parked.

Wealth managers say the new tax information exchange would motivate some of their clients to repatriate funds, and Indonesia's deposit rates are generally higher than elsewhere in the region. But they still have concerns about currency risk - the Indonesian rupiah has ranged between 8,200 and 14,730 to the dollar over the past 15 years - as well as uncertainties about future tax liabilities after they declare their assets.

Nevertheless, President Joko Widodo said on Monday his government will "go all out" to ensure the success of the scheme. He has roped in respected former World Bank managing director Sri Mulyani Indrawati as his new finance minister with a particular mandate to spearhead the tax drive.

Officials are betting that wealthy Indonesians would opt to pay the relatively low tax rates on their assets under the amnesty, rather than receiving a tougher penalty once the automatic information exchange kicks in.

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Indonesia's residential property sales grew 1.5 percent quarter-on-quarter in the January-March period, down from 6.0 percent in the previous three months, in line with a broader economic slowdown, according to the latest survey by the central bank. (http://bit.Iy/2agELGI)

Property developers pinning hopes on the tax amnesty to help revive sluggish sales in the country of 250 million people will be targeting individuals such as Indonesian banking-to-property tycoon Tahir.

"Many will participate (in the tax amnesty), including me," Tahir, who was ranked Indonesia's 10th richest person by Forbes with an estimated net worth of $2 billion last year, told Reuters in a text message.

Tahir, who goes by one name, said he has not decided which Indonesian assets to invest in. He declined to disclose how much money he plans to bring home and from where.
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Several banks are advising tax amnesty clients to invest in real estate.

Indonesian state-controlled lender PT Bank Tabungan Negara Tbk is partnering with some developers to offer investment opportunities to its clients, said President Director Maryono, who goes by one name.

Maryono estimated the tax amnesty could boost the high-end property market by 5-10 percent next year, while Tulus Santoso Brotosiswojo, a director at PT Ciputra Development Tbk , expects at least 20 percent of the repatriated funds to be invested in the overall property sector.

Property assets priced above 2 billion rupiah ($153,000) are likely to sell more, as people who were previously scared of being chased by the tax office would now be less hesitant about making such purchases, Adrianto Pitoyo Adhi, President Director of PT Summarecon Agung Tbk, told Reuters.

Estimates on how much the scheme will revive the property market vary. Shares of developers haven't risen much since the announcement, highlighting some doubts over the sector's immediate rebound.

"We await implementation before we can know the tangible impact," said Matthew Shaw, Indonesia managing director for property services provider Cushman & Wakefield.

Nevertheless, wealthy Indonesians have a historical preference to invest in property as it has proven to be "quite profitable" over time, said Jeffrosenberg Tan, a director at securities firm Sinarmas Sekuritas.

"This sector could be the first to see tax amnesty inflows." - Reuters[/FONT]
 

congo9

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Indons will cash out district 9, 10 and 11 properties. But how that affects the average HDB dweller is anyone's guess.

Who will actually send their money back? The Indonesian govt will turn back to their willful ways once enough money will to be send back.
 

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Who will actually send their money back? The Indonesian govt will turn back to their willful ways once enough money will to be send back. 

True. Rich indons wouldn't have become rich indons if they hadn't been smart enough to game the system
 

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No correlation between those 2 events. The palm tree harvest cycle is about 18 to 24 months. So the haze will be back next year.

If you don't co-operate with me on this money repatriation,
why should i co-operate with you on fighting the haze..??

Any relations here..???.. At least some link, i believe.
 

Rogue Trader

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If you don't co-operate with me on this money repatriation,
why should i co-operate with you on fighting the haze..??

Any relations here..???.. At least some link, i believe.

The Indon government is powerless over the big businesses. Just look at article of the tax amnesty program, the big beneficiaries are the private property developers. The government will only gain thru taxes (plus under table monies).

The haze problem will continue to haunt the SEA region as long as paper and palm oil demand are high. And looking at the increasing consumption levels of China, the problem will only worsen.
 

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pls lor... they came to see me and ask me to check with old fart. old fart ask me who in charge of MAS now. i tweet back is indian called melon. then he tweet back. you trust ah neh or trust snake.

i send the reply to the indon.

i think they understood.
 

congo9

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If you don't co-operate with me on this money repatriation,
why should i co-operate with you on fighting the haze..??

Any relations here..???.. At least some link, i believe.

Why would Singapore govt care about the haze surrounding Singapore ? They can send Vivian and hand over what ever proposal. Singapore is a finance centre. You have just send him the 70% confident vote.

It is of paramount importance that there is enough cash to oil the whole Financial system. Indonesian money is one of the perfect lub. Why should you let the money flow back ?

Enough for the day.
 
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Why would Singapore govt care about the haze surrounding Singapore ? They can send Vivian and hand over what ever proposal. Singapore is a finance centre. You have just send him the 70% confident vote.

It is of paramount importance that there is enough cash to oil the whole Financial system. Indonesian money is one of the perfect lub. Why should you let the money flow back ?

Enough for the day.

Indonesia will always be a failed country. The curse of Islam over the past few centuries has destroyed it for a thousand years to come. While rich Arabs countries had control over their population growth, they told their Muslims subordinates to reproduce massively. Massive reproduction with a total disdain for education and technology has invalidated Indonesia to ever becoming a country of substance. If they had not been afflicted with the cancer of Islam they would have a population of only `10-20% of what they have now. Education and technology would be a backbone of their economy and they would have easily rivaled South Korea and Japan. Instead, they will be a backward economy living under the scopes of savage religious brutality always waiting for its moment to pounce.
 

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Indonesia will always be a failed country. The curse of Islam ....

Indonesia's curse is its fertility. This has attracted many competing factions over the centuries to plunder the land.

The last plunderers, the Dutch VOC was notorious for "dumbing down" the locals so they would be easy to control. While Brits and the Frenchies left infrastructure, culture and education to the colonies; the wily Dutch left nothing except some warehouses and admin buildings.

Being an archipelago nation also doesn't make things easier for a central government rule.

The best scenario for Singapore is if Indonesia remains stable and stays as a country. The worst is if a rogue warlord starts a civil war
 

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No sane indon billionaire will repatriate all their money back. It is not a matter of future tax penalties, it is more of their disdane of the indon govt. Anyone who lived through the period of ethnic cleansing of the chinese during the 90s and also even earlier during the anti-communist period whereby hundreds of thousands of innocent lives were taken will know. Widodo still dare to say the govt believes these billionaires are patriotic, what a joke. Those who cant recall the atrocities just need to google it will know. Practical reasons also include currency fluctuations as well as risk of asset seizure in future after you've shown your previous attempts to hide money overseas. Indon even have a rule that all business are forbid to accept payment in any other currencies other than rupiah, this shows how little confidence even the govt have about it's own currency. Even you go book a hotel now, it can only be in IDR, must be converted to IDR. Even cash payment, also must be in IDR...
 

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Indonesia will always be a failed country. The curse of Islam over the past few centuries has destroyed it for a thousand years to come. While rich Arabs countries had control over their population growth, they told their Muslims subordinates to reproduce massively. Massive reproduction with a total disdain for education and technology has invalidated Indonesia to ever becoming a country of substance. If they had not been afflicted with the cancer of Islam they would have a population of only `10-20% of what they have now. Education and technology would be a backbone of their economy and they would have easily rivaled South Korea and Japan. Instead, they will be a backward economy living under the scopes of savage religious brutality always waiting for its moment to pounce.

Still indonesia has a sizeable economy,close to 1 trillion,and they are three times as rich as India per capita basis,which means they are not a total lost cause.
 

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Indonesia will always be a failed country. The curse of Islam over the past few centuries has destroyed it for a thousand years to come. While rich Arabs countries had control over their population growth, they told their Muslims subordinates to reproduce massively. Massive reproduction with a total disdain for education and technology has invalidated Indonesia to ever becoming a country of substance. If they had not been afflicted with the cancer of Islam they would have a population of only `10-20% of what they have now. Education and technology would be a backbone of their economy and they would have easily rivaled South Korea and Japan. Instead, they will be a backward economy living under the scopes of savage religious brutality always waiting for its moment to pounce.

A failed country will be something like Pakistan. And that unfortunately has a lot to do with religion. Indonesia has enough rich industrialists and enough corrupt but not overly greedy politicians to want to keep the country going. Yes, it can tip over suddenly like in Iran, but they would need some truly regressive but charismatic leader to pull that off. It will trundle along just like Malaysia unless civil war erupts.
 
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