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Chitchat 40% of Americans To Be Freelancers By 2030! How About Sinkies?

JohnTan

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PANELLISTS
TOH YONG CHUAN, Senior Manpower Correspondent at The Straits Times

DILYS BOEY, partner and Asean People Advisory Leader at EY

NG CHER PONG, chief executive of the Singapore Workforce Development Agency

OLIVIER LEGRAND, managing director and vice-president, Asia-Pacific and Japan, at LinkedIn

MODERATOR

IGNATIUS LOW, managing editor of Singapore Press Holdings' English/Malay/ Tamil Media Group


OLIVIER LEGRAND I agree. We often think of technology as destroying jobs, but it is also creating jobs and opportunities. There is research showing that by 2020, 40 per cent of workers in the United States will be freelancers, part-timers or contractors. This can create a lot of opportunities for older workers who have skills and can use technology. For example, on LinkedIn, we have this idea of creating a professional identity online, being discoverable and spending time describing your experience - not just saying, "I was the marketing director of Company A and B in healthcare", but exactly what it is I have been doing over the course of my career that I can reproduce in other companies.

FLEXIBLE HOURS

There will be a lot less structure. People don't actually need to work from nine to five. They can choose the hours. Which means that flexibility in the labour force policies becomes even more critical. And that's something for employers to think hard about - how do you manage that sort of workforce, because it is challenging. I'm optimistic because I look at how we've changed in the past 50 years, at how we've adapted as a country and gone through significant changes. I'm therefore comfortable and confident that the Singapore workforce will embrace the change.

NG CHER PONG
Q The move towards freelancing and contract workers will obviously solve some of the problems older workers face. They can work from home and for shorter stints.

NG I think it will spread to more sectors and there are some fundamental implications. Freelancers are focused on assignments and don't build a portfolio of skills to prepare for the longer term. We are concerned because, first, it's a lot harder to reach out to freelancers because they are all in disparate places. Second, the freelancer who goes for training bears his own opportunity cost.

CULTURE AND PURPOSE

No doubt, technology is going to continue to change the way we work. That being said, the company I see having the greatest success is that with a great sense of culture and purpose. I'm French and I live and work in Singapore, so I guess I am optimistic. I seriously believe that Singapore has a set of assets - unique assets - in how the economy is planned, how the Government is looking at the future and thinking about productivity and the size of the infrastructure. I do feel that the cards that have been distributed put Singapore in a great place.

OLIVIER LEGRAND
LEGRAND There is a big difference between being a freelancer because you want to be a freelancer, and being a freelancer because this is the only job you can find. Being able to help people to acquire those skills that are going to be in high demand is going to put them in control of their future.

BOEY As companies start looking for deeper skills, they find they may not always get these from their full-time cohort. Organisations have to rethink the fundamentals around their employment contracts because right now, they are very much bound by space and time. I hire you for a specific period of time, you come to work at a particular place and this is your role and typically, you do whatever we tell you to do. Whereas the freelancer comes with something very specialised and targeted. They are focused only on their output and deliverable, and I think organisations will see the value of that increasingly.

Q Given Singapore's economic history of always having to run ahead of everyone, so if you are a Singapore worker, you have to deal not just with the fact that you are ageing, but there is also an accelerated move towards automation and this is a national strategy to remain competitive.

LEGRAND Yet, you are doing this in an environment with good infrastructure and access to the Internet, higher social mobility, and access to education. The scale and proactiveness of the Government play a big role, and for me, all of the above make a huge difference in empowering people here.

BOEY You are right. We've got the players committed to it - whether it is the Government, educational institutes or the organisations. There is a lot of ability to leverage the thinking, whether it is driverless cars or translation tools, and then very quickly bring those technologies into our business context. So it is in the application of these technologies that, perhaps, we have an advantage of being able to scale up. And maybe for the small and medium-sized enterprises, with a bit of a push, they can learn from one another and leapfrog very quickly.

PANELLISTS
TOH YONG CHUAN, Senior Manpower Correspondent at The Straits Times

DILYS BOEY, partner and Asean People Advisory Leader at EY

NG CHER PONG, chief executive of the Singapore Workforce Development Agency

OLIVIER LEGRAND, managing director and vice-president, Asia-Pacific and Japan, at LinkedIn

MODERATOR

IGNATIUS LOW, managing editor of Singapore Press Holdings' English/Malay/ Tamil Media Group

Q I was watching the American sitcom Silicon Valley, and there is an episode where Richard Hendricks needs a bunch of coders immediately. And you can't assemble a team that quickly, even in Silicon Valley. So he puts out a call and gets coders from all over the world. To me, this is the vision of the future: The Singapore worker is not only a freelancer and works from home, but is also part of this global workforce.

BOEY This must be enabled by soft skills, like communication. Working in a virtual environment, being able to hold the meeting off a teleconference or a conference call - it is a different kind of skill. There needs to be a fundamental rethink around how we approach work. Normally, nine-to-five, we are in the office; now, time is no boundary - we need to be able to embrace that.

TOH But the problem about the Singapore economy is that we have two tiers. We have people doing high-end jobs but, on the other hand, we have very mundane work being done by low-cost foreign workers. We cannot have an idealised version of everybody in the workforce being part of this globally competitive economy, right? Because the majority of the economic activity in Singapore is still primarily domestic services.

NG But that line is being shifted because of industry transformation. Retail used to be a domestic sector, but now with e-commerce, that is no longer the case. If you want to be competitive, you need to be selling around the region, you need to be selling in China. And that would mean Singaporeans having to have the skills and the understanding of the markets to be able to do that.

Q One of the issues we have been dealing with in Singapore, and is currently debated all over the world, is the idea of immigration and free flow of manpower. How do you think this will change in 2030?

NG I think it will change in tandem with the growth in the local labour force. The clear policy intent is to maintain a certain mix of local and foreign workers. The local workforce growth will slow, so that means there must be a corresponding slowdown in foreign workforce growth. The question then is: If you are only bringing in this number of foreigners, what is the right mix? It will have to depend on how the economy is restructuring, what are the jobs available.

Increasingly with big data, we would have the ability to see where jobs are being created in a specific area and whether there are many foreigners being brought in. The policy question is that if these are good jobs, are we able to help equip Singaporeans to do those jobs? These are the sorts of changes that, with technology, can happen.

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/manpower/working-9-to-5-may-not-work-any-more
 

tanwahtiu

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when in Singapore do what the PAP want you to do.

Bring in copycat idea and you will get paid market rate.

Must be proven it was done elsewhere. Copycat king is real safe business why re-invent the wheels?

All PAP want is to turn ANY shit into a HUB.

HUB here and HUB there.
 

lifeafter41

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when in Singapore do what the PAP want you to do.

Bring in copycat idea and you will get paid market rate.

Must be proven it was done elsewhere.

All PAP want is to turn ANY shit into a HUB.

HUB here and HUB there.

What they never mention was the pay one will be getting.
Yes, it will definitely be benefitting BIG business, just imagine you will be competing for the rates with India, Pakistan or even Mexico.......

You will be paid peanuts for this so call freelancers unless it's specific to only here in Singapore.
These part timers or free lancers can forget about getting decent pay.

It reminds me of the 60s and 70s, those daily rated paid workers......practically living hand to mouth......daily.
 

frenchbriefs

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maybe the biggest advantage sinkies can have is by removing the shackles called singapore,in australia they have minimum wage laws,labour laws,pensions,healthcare etc.u are interested in starting ur own business?america has a population of 350 mil and trillion dollar domestic market,dont ever have to worry about running out of room to grow and expand,u can be the next walmart,the next biggest company in the world.no need to be weigh down by cpf,high cost of living,incompetent government that is not only incompetent at business,but has no interest in improving ur standard of living or quality of life.most importantly of all no 2 years ns and reservist.....the biggest disadvantage any goddam citizen could have.shackling u down to this shithole of a country.
 

tanwahtiu

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you are looking at the wrong picture.

Sinkie talents has no place for freelancer biz.


What they never mention was the pay one will be getting.
Yes, it will definitely be benefitting BIG business, just imagine you will be competing for the rates with India, Pakistan or even Mexico.......

You will be paid peanuts for this so call freelancers unless it's specific to only here in Singapore.
These part timers or free lancers can forget about getting decent pay.

It reminds me of the 60s and 70s, those daily rated paid workers......practically living hand to mouth......daily.
 

frenchbriefs

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What they never mention was the pay one will be getting.
Yes, it will definitely be benefitting BIG business, just imagine you will be competing for the rates with India, Pakistan or even Mexico.......

You will be paid peanuts for this so call freelancers unless it's specific to only here in Singapore.
These part timers or free lancers can forget about getting decent pay.

It reminds me of the 60s and 70s, those daily rated paid workers......practically living hand to mouth......daily.

it could mean that sinkies no longer have to be chained to singapore though,we could move to places like thailand where u can live like a king on 1k/month.where u can own villas in phuket for less than 500k usd and condos for less than 100k.

better still since u can work from anywhere with a laptop,u can set up a tent outside east coast park or any beach in malaysia and enjoy beachfront living,
 

tanwahtiu

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that's correct. Borderless workplace = freelancer.

My post on 'ardunino projects for sinkies' Sinkies catch no balls?

Who want to work for big biz and pay fat pig?

open source and sharing economy is way to go.

Time to remove government also possible.



it could mean that sinkies no longer have to be chained to singapore though,we could move to places like thailand where u can live like a king on 1k/month.where u can own villas for less than 500k usd and condos for less than 100k.

better still since u can work from anywhere with a laptop,u can set up a tent outside east coast park or any beach in malaysia and enjoy beachfront living,
 

frenchbriefs

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that's correct. Borderless workplace = freelancer.

My post on 'ardunino projects for sinkies' Sinkies catch no balls?

Who want to work for big biz and pay fat pig?

open source and sharing economy is way to go.

Time to remove government also possible.

it could be tricky though,ur wages will be determined by supply and demand,and since u removed the last barrier to supply....physicality,u will be competing with millions and billions of third world trash.....unless theres a way to enforce that if a company wants to do business in ur country or sell goods/services in ur country they have to hire ur citizens,however i dont think singapore has much leverage because our market size is tiny.

just like online poker,the money used to be very very good years ago,most of the players were bad and good players were far and few between and strategy was not highly developed back then,then gradually more and more people found out u could make money from poker,alot of youngsters and colledge students started picking up the game and studying and reading and learning poker strategy and multi tabling,the players got better and better by the year,then the poker craze spread to the developing world and third world countries since online poker can be accessed by anyone with an internet access,hundreds of thousands of russians and eastern europeans realise they could make hundreds of dollars playing the smallest stakes in online poker which was alot of money to them......the pool of money got smaller and smaller while the number of fishermen exploded by ten,twenty,hundredfold.then the chinese farmers came in and even worse america the richest country in the world and the biggest source of gamblers and fish banned online poker,overnight millions of fish dissapeared from the player pool......today online poker is a shithole that is not worth the time anymore unless u live in russia or croatia.
 

lifeafter41

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it could be tricky though,ur wages will be determined by supply and demand,and since u removed the last barrier to supply....physicality,u will be competing with millions and billions of third world trash.....unless theres a way to enforce that if a company wants to do business in ur country or sell goods/services in ur country they have to hire ur citizens,however i dont think singapore has much leverage because our market size is tiny.

just like online poker,the money used to be very very good years ago,most of the players were bad and good players were far and few between and strategy was not highly developed back then,then gradually more and more people found out u could make money from poker,alot of youngsters and colledge students started picking up the game and studying and reading and learning poker strategy and multi tabling,the players got better and better by the year,then the poker craze spread to the developing world and third world countries since online poker can be accessed by anyone with an internet access,hundreds of thousands of russians and eastern europeans realise they could make hundreds of dollars playing the smallest stakes in online poker which was alot of money to them......the pool of money got smaller and smaller while the number of fishermen exploded by ten,twenty,hundredfold.then the chinese farmers came in and even worse america the richest country in the world and the biggest source of gamblers and fish banned online poker,overnight millions of fish dissapeared from the player pool......today online poker is a shithole that is not worth the time anymore unless u live in russia or croatia.

Yes frenchbriefs, you get it. Demand and supply......daily rated.......
 

lifeafter41

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you are looking at the wrong picture.

Sinkie talents has no place for freelancer biz.

We do not even have to look at abroad. Just look at the rates those delivery guys are getting for making delivery for online site and you get the idea......
 

tanwahtiu

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Singapore has no place for online delivery. The cost of vehicle is the main problem and congestion?

Link please?

We do not even have to look at abroad. Just look at the rates those delivery guys are getting for making delivery for online site and you get the idea......
 

Brightkid

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40% at 2030 still dare talk big.

Sinkies in 2016, I guess at least 50% already free lancing by driving Uber, Grab, taxi, property/insurance agent, cardboard collectors, and just shaking legs at home.
 

tanwahtiu

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bring back opium den biz. The English can show you how to freelance selling opium to their non-white British Subjects mainly Chinese.

40% at 2030 still dare talk big.

Sinkies in 2016, I guess at least 50% already free lancing by driving Uber, Grab, taxi, property/insurance agent, cardboard collectors, and just shaking legs at home.
 

Asterix

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If you're smart freelancing will increase your income if you're dumb freelancing will reduce it ........ it's as simple as that ........ survival of the fittest .......... the way of the world ........... Krafty can learn from Bruce NOT Lee ...........

From page 79 of MORE MONEY THAN SATAN:

IN 1977 MICHAEL MARCUS PLACED AN AD IN THE FINANCIAL press for an assistant trader. It was answered by an unlikely character who had dropped out of a Harvard PhD program and was now working part-time as a cab driver. When the candidate presented himself, it was love at first sight. Marcus picked up the phone and called Weymar. “Helmut,” he said eagerly, “I have in my office the next president of Commodities Corp.”45

The candidate was Bruce Kovner, and Weymar could see why Marcus was enthusiastic. The young man was tall, imposing, with a big head topped by a thick crop of hair; he exuded confidence and natural ease, and his intellectual range was striking. He had been part of a circle of political scientists at Harvard that included James Q. Wilson and Daniel Patrick Moynihan; he had devoted himself for a while to the full-time study of music; he had worked on a number of political campaigns; and he had contributed freelance articles to Commentary magazine on subjects from music to the purposes of economic growth. Trading was just another thing that he had learned along the way. Prompted by a conversation with a friend, he had studied the futures markets, borrowed $3,000 against a MasterCard, and turned it into $22,000. Marcus and Weymar tested the would-be trading assistant by mentioning a couple of financial texts, but Kovner had read more than they had, starting with historical classics such as Charles Mackay’s Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds and extending to contemporary newsletters. “I really value richness in intellect, and Bruce was rich up the kazoo,” Weymar recalls.46 Kovner was hired in short order, not as an assistant but as a trader.47


[video=youtube;-QWL-FwX4t4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QWL-FwX4t4[/video]
 

JohnTan

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those courier jobs for private delivery companies?are they worth doing?

Some of the courier jobs do not require you to have your own car or motorbike. The company would give you a deadline of 1-2 hours to deliver, the package is light and you can take public transport. It's good for those who want some pocket money and it keeps you occupied.
 

lifeafter41

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Some of the courier jobs do not require you to have your own car or motorbike. The company would give you a deadline of 1-2 hours to deliver, the package is light and you can take public transport. It's good for those who want some pocket money and it keeps you occupied.

It's for those that has too much time on their hand.
 

frenchbriefs

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Some of the courier jobs do not require you to have your own car or motorbike. The company would give you a deadline of 1-2 hours to deliver, the package is light and you can take public transport. It's good for those who want some pocket money and it keeps you occupied.

Only 1 to 2 hours?what if u want to do multiple deliveries per trip?how do u get paid?
 
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