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Chitchat Fatal crash of Chinese J-15 carrier jet puts question mark over troubled programme

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http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/1995729/fatal-crash-chinese-j-15-carrier-jet-puts-question-mark


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US Navy had about 400-500 carrier plane crashes and deaths, so big deal if Chinese had just 1, and actually it was on the land based simulation carrier training ground.




 

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http://kdvr.com/2016/07/25/us-navys-new-13-billion-aircraft-carrier-cant-fight/



U.S. Navy’s new $13 billion aircraft carrier can’t fight
Posted 3:21 pm, July 25, 2016, by CNN Wire, Updated at 03:35pm, July 25, 2016

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WASHINGTON — The $13-billion USS Gerald R. Ford is already two years behind schedule, and the U.S. Navy’s newest aircraft carrier is facing more delays after the Pentagon’s top weapons tester concluded the ship is still not ready for combat despite expectations it would be delivered to the fleet in September.

According to a June 28 memo, Michael Gilmore, the Defense Department’s director of operational test and evaluation, said the most expensive warship in history continues to struggle launching and recovering aircraft, moving onboard munitions, conducting air traffic control and with ship self-defense.

“These four systems affect major areas of flight operations,” Gilmore wrote in his report to Pentagon and Navy weapons buyers Frank Kendall and Sean Stackley. “Unless these issues are resolved … they will significantly limit CVN-78’s ability to conduct combat operations.”

Fixing these problems would likely require redesigning the carrier’s aircraft launch and recovery systems, according to Gilmore, a process that could result in another delay for a ship that was expected to join the fleet in September 2014.

The Navy has operated 10 carriers since the retirement of the U.S. Enterprise in 2012.

Commanders said delays to the USS Gerald R. Ford have resulted in extended deployments for the operational carriers in order for the Navy to meet its commitments around the world, placing additional stress on sailors and crew members.

The report comes just days after the Navy announced the Ford will not be delivered before November because of unspecified testing issues, walking back testimony from April in which Stackley told Congress the Ford would be ready by September.

Now that delivery date could be pushed to 2017, according to the Navy.

“Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System testing was successfully completed in May 2016 and testing of the Dual Band Radar, Advanced Weapons Elevator are projected to complete in time to support upcoming sea trials and first aircraft operations scheduled for early next year,” a Navy official said.

Sen. John McCain, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, slammed the latest delay as “unacceptable” and “entirely avoidable” in a statement earlier this month.

“The Ford-class program is a case study in why our acquisition system must be reformed — unrealistic business cases, poor cost estimates, new systems rushed to production, concurrent design and construction, and problems testing systems to demonstrate promised capability,” McCain said.

The USS Gerald Ford is the first of three Ford-class carriers ordered by the Navy with combined cost expected close to $42 billion.

“After more than $2.3 billion in cost overruns have increased its cost to nearly $13 billion, the taxpayers deserve to know when CVN-78 will actually be delivered, how much developmental risk remains in the program, if cost overruns will continue, and who is being held accountable,” he added.

But officials from the Navy and Department of Defense said the issues keeping the 1,100- foot supercarrier from active duty are the result of decisions made when the Pentagon committed to building the advanced ship in 2008.

“The decision to proceed with these three systems was made many years ago, prior to their maturation, when transformational approaches to acquisition were a DOD policy,” said Mark Wright, a Defense Department spokesman. “This report from Dr. Gilmore clarifies concerns he had previously raised on this program.”

As the first new carrier design in 40 years, the USS Gerald R. Ford incorporates new technology and operational systems that will allow it to have a higher aircraft launch and recovery rate, reduced manning, and improved survivability against projected threats.

But choosing to integrate and test developmental systems “compounded the inherent challenges of a first-in-class design,” and significantly contributed the program’s delays, according to a statement from the Navy.

A comprehensive test program was developed to address the integration of these technologies through which “steady progress is being made to retire technical issues,” the Navy said.

To date, construction on the Ford is 98 percent complete with 88 percent of the test program finished.

Despite delays to the USS Gerald R. Ford’s delivery, the Navy says that the Ford-class carriers will yield a $4 billion reduction per ship cost as compared to its predecessor, the NIMITZ Class.

The next carrier in the Ford class, the USS John F. Kennedy (CVN 79), is scheduled to launch in 2020. That ship was 18% percent complete as of March.

The third Ford-class carrier, the USS Enterprise (CVN 80), is set to begin construction in 2018.

Including the new carriers, the Navy hopes to spend $81.3 billion to build 38 new warships, including the first replacement for the aging Ohio-class ballistic missile submarines, nine Virginia-class attack submarines, 10 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers and smaller numbers of other surface ships.

The goal of the building plan is to have a Navy battle force of 308 ships by 2021, according to Stackley’s testimony in April.



http://nextbigfuture.com/2016/07/the-new-us-aircraft-carrier-and-its.html

The new US aircraft carrier and its planned F-35 fighter will both not be truly combat ready until after 2020
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The F-35 fighter plane will not truly be combat ready until 2022 and the aircraft carrier where the navy's F-35 would launch from will also not be combat ready until a redesigned launching and recovery system is built and installed. The current recovery system will likely break after 25 consecutive landings. High likelihood of failure for landing within 1 day and for launching within 4 days.

An independent watchdog group is saying that the long list of unresolved problems means that the F-35 won’t be ready for combat until 2022. The watchdog group, the well-respected Project on Government Oversight, is basing its analysis on a recent Department of Defense report that found numerous serious problems with the fifth-generation fighter.

The watchdog analysis comes after one of the three F-35 variants has already been declared combat ready. The F-35B, designed for the Marines, was declared ready to go in July 2015. However, the jet has not been used by the Marines in combat, despite plentiful opportunities in Syria and Iraq. And the Project on Government Oversight maintains that the declaration was premature, and that official testing proves that the jet is not ready for active duty. Some analysts have speculated that the Pentagon is trying to buy hundreds of planes before testing has been completed.

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Aircraft carrier failing at key tasks of launching and recovering planes and reloading weapons

According to a June 28 memo, Michael Gilmore, the Defense Department's director of operational test and evaluation, ;said the most expensive warship in history [the new Gerald Ford aircraft carrier] continues to struggle launching and recovering aircraft, moving onboard munitions, conducting air traffic control and with ship self-defense.

"These four systems affect major areas of flight operations," Gilmore wrote in his report to Pentagon and Navy weapons buyers Frank Kendall and Sean Stackley. "Unless these issues are resolved ... they will significantly limit CVN-78's ability to conduct combat operations.

Fixing these problems would likely require redesigning the carrier's aircraft launch and recovery systems, according to Gilmore, a process that could result in another delay for a ship that was expected to join the fleet in September 2014.

The F-35 has cost taxpayers over $400 billion to date

Arresting Gear

The Navy estimates the arresting gear could be operated for approximately 25 consecutive landings, or cycles, between critical failures. That means it has a “negligible probability of completing” a 4-day surge “without an operational mission failure,” Gilmore wrote.

The electro-magnetic launch system’s reliability is higher but “nonetheless I have concerns,” Gilmore wrote. Recent Navy data indicates the carrier can conduct only 400 launches between critical failures, “well below the requirement” of 4,166 takeoffs, Gilmore wrote.

Gilmore said the system would have to increase its reliability to 1,600 launches between critical failures “to have a 90 percent chance of completing a day of sustained operations.” The Navy program office’s determined that the carrier “has less than a 7 percent chance of completing the four-day combat surge” plan, Gilmore wrote.

The Ford carrier has cost taxpayers over $20 billion so far ($5 for research, almost $15 billion for the first one and $4 billion or so for start of construction on the second.)
 

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Take note of HUGE OPPOSING Differences: US Pilots are TOO AFRAID TO DIE, their govt are too afraid to lose them. Chinese Pilots are VERY WILLING TO DIE for China, Chinese Govt is willing to let them die as well. Basically US is too weak to endure losses, China is way way stronger to endure huge losses and strong to endure losses for long long terms. Strength for war, proven many times in history is about this, not about advanced weapons. Proven in Vietnam Korean wars. Proven again lasting today in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Sudan... Where US fled again and again from their unbearable losses.
 

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Chinese made their weapons including planes at @10% or @20% of US warplanes' price tags, and Chinese are loaded, US is bankrupt. For each lost Chinese plane, they can afford make 10 more. US have to borrow $$$ from China to replace their expensive lost planes! Sad huh?
 

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http://www.military.com/video/milit...13-nail-biting-airplane-crashes/3657744508001


13 Nail Biting Airplane Crashes
Posted Jul 03, 2014 by Military.com

Handling a jet airplane isn’t easy, especially when landing on a carrier or pulling off a complicated maneuver in the air. We dug into the archives to bring you some of unfortunate examples of airplane handling gone wrong.
 

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http://www.military.com/video/milit...13-nail-biting-airplane-crashes/3657744508001


13 Nail Biting Airplane Crashes
Posted Jul 03, 2014 by Military.com

Handling a jet airplane isn’t easy, especially when landing on a carrier or pulling off a complicated maneuver in the air. We dug into the archives to bring you some of unfortunate examples of airplane handling gone wrong.

Anticipated defense from PAP IB clones :rolleyes: I thought that China military is great with all your threads? Wait.. Tiongs either steal, copy or get it from Ruskies :biggrin:
 

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Such accidents though sad, will only make the PLA stronger. Hail '81'.
 

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It a very simple test. Ask 100 people if they are prepared to fly in American or a Chinese made jet. Ask they same people if they are prepared to fly in a Boeing and Airbus operated by a SIA, MAS, Cathay company or a Boeing and Airbus operated by Chinese company. We are not talking about handphones or plastic toys. It was the same with Aeroflot.

Until the level of comfort of safety is reached, nothing changes.
 

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It a very simple test. Ask 100 people if they are prepared to fly in American or a Chinese made jet. Ask they same people if they are prepared to fly in a Boeing and Airbus operated by a SIA, MAS, Cathay company or a Boeing and Airbus operated by Chinese company. We are not talking about handphones or plastic toys. It was the same with Aeroflot.

Until the level of comfort of safety is reached, nothing changes.


Warplanes aren't video games. Not for safe joy flights. It business tool for deals to kill and also be kill. And they better be good for this business purposes only. Not for NDP Waying either.

The planes are made for human deaths not safety nor pleasure. Better get lots of deaths for the business.
 

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at this rate, prc forces will destroy themselves. there's no need for ww3.
 

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destroy or be destroyed
 
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