• IP addresses are NOT logged in this forum so there's no point asking. Please note that this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics & absolute nut jobs with a smattering of geniuses, Chinese chauvinists, Moderate Muslims and last but not least a couple of "know-it-alls" constantly sprouting their dubious wisdom. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense PLEASE LEAVE NOW! Sammyboy Admin and Staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here.

    The OTHER forum is HERE so please stop asking.

Chitchat Philippines 2 China 0

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
Credit to their Foreign Secretary.


http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/philippines-foreign/2967190.htmlPhilippines Foreign Minister says rejected China offer of conditional dialogue
Posted 19 Jul 2016 09:00 Updated 19 Jul 2016 09:49

Philippine Foreign Secretary Perfecto Yasay gives a brief statement regarding the tribunal ruling on the South China Sea during a news conference at the Department of Foreign Affairs headquarters in Pasay city, metro Manila, Philippines July 12, 2016. REUTERS/Romeo Ranoco

MANILA: The Foreign Minister of the Philippines said on Tuesday (Jul 19) he had turned down a proposal from his Chinese counterpart to start bilateral talks on their South China Sea dispute on the condition that last week's arbitration ruling not be discussed.

"(China's foreign minister) had asked us to open ourselves for bilateral negotiations but outside, or (in) disregard of, the arbitral ruling," Perfecto Yasay said in an interview with ABS-CBN news channel, referring to the ruling from the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague.

"This is something I told him was not consistent with our constitution and our national interest."

Yasay said he met his counterpart on the sidelines of a summit of Asian and European leaders in Mongolia last week.

The first priority for the Philippines, he said, was negotiating the right of its fishermen to return to the Scarborough Shoal and the implementation of all other parts of the ruling would be handled one-by-one.
 

Leongsam

High Order Twit / Low SES subject
Admin
Asset
Damned chinks trying to play dirty. What else is new? :rolleyes:

It's the same in sports. They should be banned from the Olympics along with the Russians.
 

3_M

Alfrescian
Loyal
I don't see how pinoyland could be the winner here if they don't talk. . If fact it just give china the reason to resume their artificial island constructions. In the end pinoyland could do is to hold on to that paper victory without any tangible gain
 

Leongsam

High Order Twit / Low SES subject
Admin
Asset
I don't see how pinoyland could be the winner here if they don't talk. . If fact it just give china the reason to resume their artificial island constructions. In the end pinoyland could do is to hold on to that paper victory without any tangible gain

If the Chinks don't play their cards right they'll risk getting annihilated with a secret Pinoy arsenal... lethal death rays from an invisible weapon.

131106rz04.jpg
 

gingerlyn

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
Heard that filipino sent their legal teams to consult Simon Chesterman son of Tony Tan before sending all their legal papers to The Hague
 

trump

Alfrescian
Loyal
all china has to do is embargo all trade with banana republic, stop buying bananas from them and they will be dead
 

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
The Philippines have nothing to lose as they have lost everything they had in the disputed portion of the South China Sea. So they are playing the part of the underdog for leverage. China needs engagement at all cost to show that they are indeed the emerging superpower especially in their own backyard. It has become a question of face more than anything else. I am sure both sides will eventually engage as it would serve both their interest.
 

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
Its not anti-China but rather anti-bully. Nobody likes the US, the Russians or anyone that uses their power for wrongful gain. History will show the US and Russia has done more damage post WWII than any other nations. Russia crippled the entire Eastern Bloc of nations by a whole generations and they did it by oppression. Remember Prague Spring and its bloody crushin. US has toppled numerous govts in South America and Africa until they got their nose bloodied in Vietnam.Followed by Russia again when they lost their pants in Afghanistan.

It was a tactical mis-step by China. If they had engaged earlier in a multi-lateral way as requested by most nations affected by the dispute, this situation might not have come about. Not it will bilateral but not exactly on their terms.

There are really so many non-Chinese in this SBF forum. Sad.
 

3_M

Alfrescian
Loyal
Its not anti-China but rather anti-bully. Nobody likes the US, the Russians or anyone that uses their power for wrongful gain.

Forget about international law. It the might of fist that rule whether you like it or not. There is no way for china to negotiate with pinoyland on the basis of a ruling from a court which they don't recognize.
 

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
I agree on the might of the fist but this is no longer about brute force. The US has come to the recognition because its own people would not allow the coups and assassination of the past. This is about recognition and acceptance of leadership in the region. Its now a question of face. China could maintain status quo as they are already in possession but instead asked for the dialogue and not the Philippines.

I am also certain that Philippines will end up giving up on some issues that the court ruled in its favour. So it won't be the court ruling in the end. It will be a compromise.

Forget about international law. It the might of fist that rule whether you like it or not. There is no way for china to negotiate with pinoyland on the basis of a ruling from a court which they don't recognize.
 

3_M

Alfrescian
Loyal
I agree on the might of the fist but this is no longer about brute force. The US has come to the recognition because its own people would not allow the coups and assassination of the past. This is about recognition and acceptance of leadership in the region. Its now a question of face. China could maintain status quo as they are already in possession but instead asked for the dialogue and not the Philippines.

I am also certain that Philippines will end up giving up on some issues that the court ruled in its favour. So it won't be the court ruling in the end. It will be a compromise.


I don't see why should China compromise on anything since they are in a position of strength. Every country in dispute with china is watching and if pinoyland manages to gain something here, then it could only encourage all disputing parties to adopt the same tactic by bringing the case to international arbitration. In fact it serves china's interests to ensure pinoyland will emerge worse off from the this rulings so as to discourage other countries from following.
 

yellowarse

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
I don't see how pinoyland could be the winner here if they don't talk. . If fact it just give china the reason to resume their artificial island constructions. In the end pinoyland could do is to hold on to that paper victory without any tangible gain

Agree. This has been a political issue right from the get-go, not a legal one. Political issues require political solutions, not legalistic solutions handed down by a court.

Since time immemorial, talks and diplomacy have always been the method par excellence to settle deadlocks and disputes. If all else fails, there's always war, which no sane leader in the region would want to see. China holds the upper hand because of its ongoing construction presence on the isles, so it's the Philippines who would have to find face-saving way to come to the table.

Just realpolitik.
 

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
Lets see how it progresses. It certainly adds excitement to a rather bleak world facing religious extremism at its worst. I am sure this is keenly watched with bets taken on which chess pieces are moved.

I don't see why should China compromise on anything since they are in a position of strength. Every country in dispute with china is watching and if pinoyland manages to gain something here, then it could only encourage all disputing parties to adopt the same tactic by bringing the case to international arbitration. In fact it serves china's interests to ensure pinoyland will emerge worse off from the this rulings so as to discourage other countries from following.
 

3_M

Alfrescian
Loyal
Agree. This has been a political issue right from the get-go, not a legal one. Political issues require political solutions, not legalistic solutions handed down by a court.

Since time immemorial, talks and diplomacy have always been the method par excellence to settle deadlocks and disputes. If all else fails, there's always war, which no sane leader in the region would want to see. China holds the upper hand because of its ongoing construction presence on the isles, so it's the Philippines who would have to find face-saving way to come to the table.

Just realpolitik.

diplomacy needs military might as backing and it had always been the case throughout history. If china's were to up the ante by creating more artificial islands, airports and announce ADIZ, it will put USA in a strategic dilemma. If they confront china head on. it doesn't work in their interests but if USA back-off, it will only expose themselves to be a paper tiger.
 

streetcry

Alfrescian
Loyal
Philippine media: Gov't spent $30 mln on arbitration

Philippine media report that the government spent 30 million US dollars on the South China Sea arbitration case over the past three and half years. Neither the Philippines nor the tribunal have given details of that spending. But we can get some idea from published charges and past tribunal fees.


In January 2013, the government of the Philippines unilaterally initiated arbitration in its disputes with China in the South China Sea. According to the procedure, the Philippines and China should each appoint an arbitrator. But the tribunal can not be established as China did not accept nor participate in the case. All five arbitrators were appointed by Shunji Yanai who was the president of the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea then.


Experts who are familiar with such operations say this kind of temporary group is an opportunity for judges and arbitrators to earn some extra money and has no relationship with the United Nations and international judicial institutions which pay salaries.


As a temporary group, the arbitral tribunal has no unified working location, secretaries, emails or official letterhead. Thus it has had to pay a significant amount in service charges to the Permanent Court of Arbitration since July 2013 to provide the necessary services. They include the search and nomination of experts, circulation of news and press releases, the organization of hearings in The Hague and payment to arbitrators and other staff. This made the temporary arbitral tribunal appear to be a part of the Permanent Court of Arbitration.


The Permanent Court of Arbitration does provide services through standard charges which are published on its official website. Various charges are available for different positions. For instance, it costs two thousand euros for one-off non-refundable registration fee. It costs 250 euros per hour for a chief secretary, 175 euros per hour for a judicial officer and 125 euros per hour for a legal assistant. Ordinary secretaries cost 50 euros per hour. A tribunal hearing room costs one thousand euros per day. And one thousand 750 euros are paid per day for a whole office suite.
 

streetcry

Alfrescian
Loyal
The Nansha Islands have been inherent Chinese territory since ancient times. Chinese activities in the South China Sea date back to 2000 years ago. China was the first country to discover, name and exploit the resources of the South China Sea islands. China was also the first country that exercised and has continuously exercised sovereign rights and jurisdiction over the islands.

China Getting More Supports

http://english.cctv.com/special/southchinasea/[SUB][SUP]
[/SUP][/SUB]
 
Top