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The inside on LTA Train Debacle Cover-up

scroobal

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Cost me a prata supper plus teh tarik to get the details from an insider in Govt and it is shocking.

By now you would have heard about expose by a HK New Agency that did groundwork in China and Singapore including tracking of defective trains from Bishan Depot to Jurong Port after midnight.

Here are details.

1. Infrastructure and rolling stock belongs to LTA and not SMRT or the other subway operators. LTA placed the contract in 2009 for 22 trains and a further 13 trains in 2011 to the second highest bidder. This consortium was led by Kawasaki who have supplying trains cars to MRT since 1986. The 2009 and 2011 contracts was the first to include a Chinese partner who will do the main build.

2. The first trains from the Chinese builder went on line in May 2011 with the last of the first 22 to be operational by 2012. The remaining 13 would come online in 2013. However issues kept popping up from day 1 when the first trains arrived in May 2011. Within 3 months significant defects including cracked undercarriage, body and the actual integrity of the whole construction was being questioned. This is when the first cover-up began in earnest because the PM apologised to the nation in May 2011 during GE2011 and more bad news was not going to help matters.

3. The shattered windows and exploding batteries were all minor and a smoke screen. SMRT and Temasek refused to be held responsible for the defects and it fell on LTA and Ministry of Transport to resolve it.

4. LTA then came up with their disingenuous plan B to cover up the mess which involved every single one of the trains and no just the 26. They would order more new trains much earlier the usual and do a switch over when the new replacement trains came on line. To give a semblance of normalcy they again awarded contracts to the same consortium but in this case, the main build be done by Kawasaki and the Chinese company do only assembly work.

5. Plan B also involved Kawasaki to do monthly checks on these trains and do onsite rectification ( read as temporary repairs until return of the entire train). This charade began in late 2011 and continued till they were returned which is in 2016. Imagine your Toyota car being inspected every month by Borneo motors to ensure safety. Unheard of? But necessary as they were not sure if it will fall apart or be unsafe. Yes, you heard it right, the manufacturer checking every one of the 35 trains ever month in Singapore for the last few years.

6. So in 2012, LTA accelerated new replacement train procurement programme to do the coverup.

7. Here is the interesting and rather explosive bid - the trains that are returned are to completely stripped and disassembled, parts cannibalised for new body work and bogie (undercarriage) to be assembled. The Chinese company will no longer be in manufacturing but will only assemble parts provided by Kawasaki. Kawasaki will build the body and the bogie plus all the main components. So the entire Contract 151A build has been screwed up - not fit for purpose.

8. Here is the second explosive bit - SMRT Head of Trains Lee Ling Wee without coordinating with LTA yesterday revealed that these returned trains will fixed and sent back to Singapore in 2023. 7 years later!!! LTA's news release yesterday did not reveal this. Here is the short answer. Remember the accelerated programme in 2012 that was part of the cover-up and with further orders since then to meet demand. Well apparently we no longer need these trains as they will be surplus to stock and will be rusting in the yard if they are returned immediately.

9. The person who told me this even said that Mindef procurement who have their own share of mishaps in purchasing equipment such as ships, tanks, planes etc did not screw as badly as this and did organise coverup of this nature that ran for 5 years in such an organised manner.

10. More striking is the involvement of Japanese company who together with LTA kept this entirely secret for 5 years from Singaporeans. The leak interestingly came from the executives from the Chinese company who apparently never had trains returned from another country and treated the event with great novelty.

Here are the main concerns.

1. Can we trust this Government when they go to this extent to do a cover up.

2. Did Kawasaki pad the numbers in subsequent contacts to cover the cost of rebuilding the trains in contract 151A. Most commercial entities will logically do that when they know they are called to be involved in the coverup.

3. Why were subsequent contracts awarded to the same consortium and thereby directly rewarding them for sub-standard products. I buy a car which turns out to be a lemon and I then buy a second car from the same dealer who gives me a 10% discount. So I have 2 cars when I only need one and I paid for both of them minus the 10% discount for the second. Does this make sense?

4. When you have structural cracks both in the body and the bogie, how can LTA claim that safety is not issue. It is so bad and the integrity of the train build is such an issue that they will be completely stripped and disassembled and both the body and bogie will be manufactured from scratch. Does LTA statement makes sense.

4. Should it not be time that the Auditor General steps in to carry out an thorough investigation on this entire debacle. Should this not be the subject of an independent board of inquiry.
 
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scroobal

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Here is the hogwash from Mothership.sg.

Seriously LTA explained that the cracks on the train are similar to cracks on new houses. I have seen a new car, bus, or any vehicle carry cracks unless they were damaged in an accident. This is a bullshit answer.

http://mothership.sg/2016/07/minist...e-shipped-back-to-the-manufacturer/Mothership
HOMENEWSOFFBEATPERSPECTIVESCOMMUNITYLIFESTYLECAN OR NOT POLLSABOUT

Photo from Factwire
Ministry of Transport explains why 24 MRT trains were shipped back to the manufacturer
July 6, 2016
Let's hope the train carriages will be repaired just in time for SG54's NDP.

Jonathan Lim

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News outlet FactWire caught Singapore’s media and probably the authorities by surprise on the afternoon of July 5 when it reported on the transportation of MRT carriages from Singapore back to its manufacturer in Qingdao.

The report, carried by the Hong Kong Free Press, promptly went viral. The report alleged that the main reason for the return of the trains were cracks found in 2013.

SMRT was the first to issue a statement, confirming that the transportation of the MRT carriages were true.

SMRT_trains_cracks
Source: SMRT Facebook
This was followed by the Land Transport Authority (LTA), which reassured the public that the defects were not “safety-critical” and did not affect the train’s systems or performance.

LTA_SMRT_faults
Source: LTA Facebook
Now the Ministry of Transport (MOT) has issued a statement, shared on Gov.sg Facebook at 12.20am, explaining the returning of the trains:

Why are MRT trains being shipped back to its manufacturer?
Defects were found during a check of new trains manufactured by Kawasaki Heavy Industries and CSR Sifang in late 2013. There were a few hairline cracks on the car-body. These are superficial cracks (like those that show up on the walls of a new house). They are not structural cracks and are not safety-critical.

Are these defects dangerous?
The defects are hairline cracks and are not safety-critical. They do not affect the train’s systems, performance or passengers’ safety.

Are the trains still under warranty?
Yes, they are still under the manufacturer’s warranty. As such, LTA are sending the trains in small batches back to the manufacturer for rectification. This is the appropriate thing to do to ensure we get the value for our money.

How can you be sure?
To ensure that trains are safe for passenger service, all defects are monitored closely. Monthly safety assessments are also conducted by LTA and the manufacturer before trains are put into service.

Why transport these trains in the dead of night?
Our trains are big and massive equipment. They are transported at night, with auxiliary police officers clearing the way ahead, to minimise obstruction and inconvenience to road users. Likewise, new trains that arrive in Singapore are transported on our roads at night.

Then why cover them up in green covers?
The green covers are to protect the trains, just as how we would bubble-wrap or enclose in boxes and styrofoam-pad electronic equipment, machinery etc, which we want to transport overseas.

Will the repairs really take 7 years?
No, LTA has negotiated with the manufacturer and it will be able to speed up the process. Trains are being sent in batches and the rectification work will be completed in 2019.

Here are some questions that will surely be asked following this statement:

1. If the defects are not safety-critical and superficial, why is there the need to return 26 out of 35 trains?

2. It appears that both LTA and SMRT are working too closely on the matter, coordinating internally on the return and externally when revealing the information today. Is there any reason why the authorities decide to share the information with the public a day before our public holiday?

3. Given the high number of trains being returned, should the authorities have shared this with the public? If what FactWire claimed was accurate, is there any reason why the authorities waited for 23 days (from June 12) before making the information public?

4. If new BTOs have superficial hairline cracks in its wall that are not safety-critical, can Singaporeans return the flat to ask for a new one?
 

johnny333

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So many scandals popping up in Spore. Maybe we should start naming them like the anericans :smile: How about the following:

SMRTgate
pondinggate
denguegate
HepCgate
 

halsey02

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So many scandals popping up in Spore. Maybe we should start naming them like the anericans :smile: How about the following:

SMRTgate
pondinggate
denguegate
HepCgate

You forgot to add, in mee siam mai hum, "garden"....Kebun Baru...."new garden"...TBgate..
 

batman1

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Fishy.Undertable money.Call KPMG to audit.Why must China ? Why cannot order from France or Japan ?
Minister of Transport is sleeping,must resign.Wasting Singaporean taxpayers money.
 

scroobal

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The impression that repairs are to be done under warranty is completely false. This is not someone sending their car under warranty to fix a broken axle or a faulty transmission. They are completely striping the returned trains and practically building a brand new with some of the cannibalised parts.

LTA now claims they trains will be returned in batches until 1919. 3 fucking years to fix under warranty? Grow up!!

Ask the CEO of LTA or Khaw to make a statutory declaration what is actually going to be done and I can guarantee you the picture will be completely different to what they have stated. It will be the repeat of Khaw's incompetence and lack of control similar to the Brompton Bike Affair when their entire tender system was compromised. And remember Khaw kept reassuring us until a netizens did the CSI and revealed the manipulation of the tender process and named names.
 

Microsoft

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Moi guess...de long time needed for de repair might be due to shortage of cash...last dey want ish de tiong company go bankrupt...lidat really xiao leow...:biggrin::biggrin:
 

rover2sg

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The impression that repairs are to be done under warranty is completely false. This is not someone sending their car under warranty to fix a broken axle or a faulty transmission. They are completely striping the returned trains and practically building a brand new with some of the cannibalised parts.

LTA now claims they trains will be returned in batches until 1919. 3 fucking years to fix under warranty? Grow up!!

Ask the CEO of LTA or Khaw to make a statutory declaration what is actually going to be done and I can guarantee you the picture will be completely different to what they have stated. It will be the repeat of Khaw's incompetence and lack of control similar to the Brompton Bike Affair when their entire tender system was compromised. And remember Khaw kept reassuring us until a netizens did the CSI and revealed the manipulation of the tender process and named names.

It takes 3 to 7 years to repair/replace faulty trains? Silence from Smart CEO and Minister of Transport! MSM media treat all these as minor non-safety related incidents .. LOL :biggrin:
 

virus

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It takes 3 to 7 years to repair/replace faulty trains? Silence from Smart CEO and Minister of Transport! MSM media treat all these as minor non-safety related incidents .. LOL :biggrin:

tat's pretty fast for tiongsters consider it takes 38 man years for FAP to get their paper right
 

Papsmearer

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It takes 3 to 7 years to repair/replace faulty trains? Silence from Smart CEO and Minister of Transport! MSM media treat all these as minor non-safety related incidents .. LOL :biggrin:

Fucking SMRT are the biggest suckers in the world. always getting conned. Shit lah, everyone know you can build a brand new carriage in less then a year. 3-7 years is the manufacturer telling you "Fuck off, you damn lucky we decide to take it back. You will get your fucking trains back when we have the time to fix them and when we are well and truly ready". Only SMRT willing to sit there and nod their heads and say "3-7 years ok. No problem".
 

ckmpd

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Fucking SMRT are the biggest suckers in the world. always getting conned. Shit lah, everyone know you can build a brand new carriage in less then a year. 3-7 years is the manufacturer telling you "Fuck off, you damn lucky we decide to take it back. You will get your fucking trains back when we have the time to fix them and when we are well and truly ready". Only SMRT willing to sit there and nod their heads and say "3-7 years ok. No problem".

This is the problem with pap infiltrating all key positions with yes-men. Many of SMRT's top management are saf people who dont think but just nod. They are not businessmen who can think or negotiate. Desmond, Lee LW, Patrick nathan were from the saf and they just take orders
 

Papsmearer

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Cost me a prata supper plus teh tarik to get the details from an insider in Govt and it is shocking.

By now you would have heard about expose by a HK New Agency that did groundwork in China and Singapore including tracking of defective trains from Bishan Depot to Jurong Port after midnight.

Here are details.

1. Infrastructure and rolling stock belongs to LTA and not SMRT or the other subway operators. LTA placed the contract in 2009 for 22 trains and a further 13 trains in 2011 to the second highest bidder. This consortium was led by Kawasaki who have supplying trains cars to MRT since 1986. The 2009 and 2011 contracts was the first to include a Chinese partner who will do the main build.

2. The first trains from the Chinese builder went on line in May 2011 with the last of the first 22 to be operational by 2012. The remaining 13 would come online in 2013. However issues kept popping up from day 1 when the first trains arrived in May 2011. Within 3 months significant defects including cracked undercarriage, body and the actual integrity of the whole construction was being questioned. This is when the first cover-up began in earnest because the PM apologised to the nation in May 2011 during GE2011 and more bad news was not going to help matters.

3. The shattered windows and exploding batteries were all minor and a smoke screen. SMRT and Temasek refused to be held responsible for the defects and it fell on LTA and Ministry of Transport to resolve it.

4. LTA then came up with their disingenuous plan B to cover up the mess which involved every single one of the trains and no just the 26. They would order more new trains much earlier the usual and do a switch over when the new replacement trains came on line. To give a semblance of normalcy they again awarded contracts to the same consortium but in this case, the main build be done by Kawasaki and the Chinese company do only assembly work.

5. Plan B also involved Kawasaki to do monthly checks on these trains and do onsite rectification ( read as temporary repairs until return of the entire train). This charade began in late 2011 and continued till they were returned which is in 2016. Imagine your Toyota car being inspected every month by Borneo motors to ensure safety. Unheard of? But necessary as they were not sure if it will fall apart or be unsafe. Yes, you heard it right, the manufacturer checking every one of the 35 trains ever month in Singapore for the last few years.

6. So in 2012, LTA accelerated new replacement train procurement programme to do the coverup.

7. Here is the interesting and rather explosive bid - the trains that are returned are to completely stripped and disassembled, parts cannibalised for new body work and bogie (undercarriage) to be assembled. The Chinese company will no longer be in manufacturing but will only assemble parts provided by Kawasaki. Kawasaki will build the body and the bogie plus all the main components. So the entire Contract 151A build has been screwed up - not fit for purpose.

8. Here is the second explosive bit - SMRT Head of Trains Lee Ling Wee without coordinating with LTA yesterday revealed that these returned trains will fixed and sent back to Singapore in 2023. 7 years later!!! LTA's news release yesterday did not reveal this. Here is the short answer. Remember the accelerated programme in 2012 that was part of the cover-up and with further orders since then to meet demand. Well apparently we no longer need these trains as they will be surplus to stock and will be rusting in the yard if they are returned immediately.

9. The person who told me this even said that Mindef procurement who have their own share of mishaps in purchasing equipment such as ships, tanks, planes etc did not screw as badly as this and did organise coverup of this nature that ran for 5 years in such an organised manner.

10. More striking is the involvement of Japanese company who together with LTA kept this entirely secret for 5 years from Singaporeans. The leak interestingly came from the executives from the Chinese company who apparently never had trains returned from another country and treated the event with great novelty.

Here are the main concerns.

1. Can we trust this Government when they go to this extent to do a cover up.

2. Did Kawasaki pad the numbers in subsequent contacts to cover the cost of rebuilding the trains in contract 151A. Most commercial entities will logically do that when they know they are called to be involved in the coverup.

3. Why were subsequent contracts awarded to the same consortium and thereby directly rewarding them for sub-standard products. I buy a car which turns out to be a lemon and I then buy a second car from the same dealer who gives me a 10% discount. So I have 2 cars when I only need one and I paid for both of them minus the 10% discount for the second. Does this make sense?

4. When you have structural cracks both in the body and the bogie, how can LTA claim that safety is not issue. It is so bad and the integrity of the train build is such an issue that they will be completely stripped and disassembled and both the body and bogie will be manufactured from scratch. Does LTA statement makes sense.

4. Should it not be time that the Auditor General steps in to carry out an thorough investigation on this entire debacle. Should this not be the subject of an independent board of inquiry.

You forgot to mention one very important fact. The one doing the ordering and owning of this shit useless trains, the LTA, has Chew Men Leong as its CEO. Chew is another SAF Scholar and former Rear Admiral. Yet another evidence that PAP scheme of scholar SAF generals and admirals DO NOT FUCKING WORK. An admiral knows shit all about land transportation and mass transit moving millions of peoplle effectively.
 
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