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Chitchat Tan Wah Piow reaches out to Singapore for UK 2nd referendum

scroobal

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He must be totally detached to what is happening in Singapore to submit this to TOC.

http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2016/06/support-second-referendum/
Why I support a Second Referendum 0
BY ONLINECITIZEN ON JUNE 29, 2016 COMMENTARIES
By Tan Wah Piow

Britain is split - between social classes, regions and age groups.

For the under-25s, the majority of whom who voted for Remain, felt betrayed by the over-60s, the majority of whom were for Leave. As one young under-graduate wrote "my generation is now denied the right to live and work in 27 other countries".

The overwhelming majority in London and Scotland who voted for Remain felt disenfranchised by this democratic process, robbed of their rights in a bigger Union by the rest of the country. Hence the Scottish First Minister is talking about the will of her people to want to be part of Europe. And Northern Ireland, who favoured EU membership, are now thinking of reunification with the Irish Republic which is part of the EU.

While politicians in the Leave camp celebrate their victory and the Conservatives in the Leave camp start jostling for position in the post-Cameron government, the pensioners who voted Leave, and others with mortgages are beginning to worry about their finance as the pound and shares take the hit worldwide, while recession looms in the horizon.

Champions of the Leave who hitherto dismissed the warnings of various economists, the IMF, World Banks as fear mongers are remarkably quiet. "No rush" to negotiate for leave, said Boris Johnson who can't wait to enter Downing Street. Others who bragged about diverting the fictitious £350 million per week contribution to the EU to the Health Service have now denied making such a promise, or that they did not literally meant what they had said during the campaign.

With some major banks announcing the relocation of some of their staff to Europe and the down grading of Britain's credit rating, Michael Heseltine, the former deputy PM under Thatcher, and a one-nation conservative called for the unimaginable - a fight back by Parliament against the Leave advocates. Heseltine has called for a second referendum. After all, only 100 of the 600 MPs are for Leave, he argued. Heseltine has no political ambition, hence his call may trigger some rethinking amongst those who voted Leave.

As Britain does not have a written Constitution, and there is no comparable convention, theoretically everything is possible since Parliament is supreme. The decision to hold this recent Referendum was decided as a political expediency by Cameron to settle the split within his party over Europe. He called the referendum soon after entering Downing Street in May 2015 without defining the percentage of votes required to qualify a binding decision, or a plan-b if the people voted Leave. Cameron was too complacent that Leave would not be credible. And so did the opposition Labour part and the trade unions.

It takes a senior politician of Michael Heseltine's standing to be credible and brave enough to raise this proposition. Others are following such as Richard Branson. There is now a petition to Parliament signed by three million people calling for a Second referendum.

At first glance, the proposition appears to be at odds with the democratic will of the voters. Heseltine's argument is that the referendum is only a recommendation, and the majority of parliamentarians are against leaving the EU. Technically Heseltine is right, although morally his views will be difficult to defend politically to a public who are tired of established politicians from whichever camp.

Of course hardline ideological Brexiters and those who had politically planned their political career through Brexit would fight tooth and nail against a second referendum. It is not a happy situation for democracy, and certainly a difficult decision for the 500 pro-Remain MPs. Some, especially those in the Conservative party, may not be reselected as MPs by their respective local party who might be Brexiters. This is a time when political courage is needed for the greater good.

There is at least a legitimate democratic process in the UK to negotiate through this mega conundrum. It depends on the will of parliamentarians. In other less democratic country, the impasse might have already triggered a military coup, and arrests.

If there were a second referendum, I would think there's a need to raise the threshold of a valid decision to two-third of the voters, and this should also be reflected in England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland. There's also a need to lower the eligible voters to 16 years as was the case during the Scottish referendum on independence. In Scotland it was demonstrated that the young were able to exercise their vote responsibly during the Scottish referendum over independence. Contrary to prediction, they voted against separation from the UK.

A second referendum is not an ideal solution, but a necessary one. The unique features in this referendum, and the context of a second referendum, if one materialises, would be fact sensitive. Should there be a second referendum, It should not, although it certainly would, be used as the precedent, and excuse by authoritarian regimes elsewhere to subvert the democratic will of the people. But this is not a problem we need to worry about at this stage.

A call for a second referendum is not intended to subvert the democratic process, but a necessary legitimate action to rectify the flaws in the first referendum. As doubts about the first referendum increases, and since the petition has exceeded 100,000, parliament is now obliged to debate over it. Embarrassing for an old democracy, but if it works, it's ok
 

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I think age must have got to him. I have been watching UK referendum for sometime and his article is nowhere near what he wrote. The people voted, not the politicians and one must respect the results of the referendum. Clearly half the country is not prepared to live their lives with little control over their future. It was a backlash from uncontrolled immigration since the admission of EU8 plus EU2. Singaporeans are also in a similar state and this guy wants to preserve the status quo.

This is what happens when you accept money from someone that you become are so beholden that to you end up publishing their rubbish.

This bugger is batshit crazy!
 

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i agree for second referendum,but 5 years later.let the shockwaves and dust settle first and all the fearmongering and paranoia to die down.once light has illuminated the battlefield and the coast is clear of any zombies or infected,we will proceed with caution.only time will tell whose right or wrong.
 

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Even Tan Wah Piow proves that non-PAP-doggie can still be UNSINKIEFIED!

Quite scarey. Dont think I dare to tell people I am from sinkiepour anymore. Just say I am global shitizen FT in Sinkieland.
 

gatehousethetinkertailor

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Brexit narrative is far from over - the wheels keep spinning:

Nigel Farage resigns as Ukip leader (again):

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-resigns-as-ukip-leader-a7118626.html

And the unexpected Game of Thrones style ejection of Boris:

"Boris Johnson Reached for the Throne but Got Stabbed in the Back Instead"

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/30...e-throne-but-got-stabbed-in-the-back-instead/

Plus Chilcot Inquiry released tomorrow finally:

"Tony Blair faces calls for impeachment on release of Chilcot report"

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...face-impeachment-on-release-of-chilcot-report

God Save the Queen!
 

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One of the puppeteer behind the two GCBs Roy ngerng and teo soh lung

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Agree. I expect the confusion and uncertainty to last for another a year before the country regains its composure and starts doing the necessary changes to effect its intention. It has critical mass and history of progress and innovation that cannot be underestimated. I expect that it will remain the financial hub but it will have to renegotiate either with 27 EU countries separately or as common market bloc without losing control of its borders, its law making capabilities and its national identity.

It will be fascinating times as it will force those that have it to address those that can't get it. It will be internal, domestic and force both major parties to rework their platforms for their country.



Brexit narrative is far from over - the wheels keep spinning:

Nigel Farage resigns as Ukip leader (again):

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-resigns-as-ukip-leader-a7118626.html

And the unexpected Game of Thrones style ejection of Boris:

"Boris Johnson Reached for the Throne but Got Stabbed in the Back Instead"

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/30...e-throne-but-got-stabbed-in-the-back-instead/

Plus Chilcot Inquiry released tomorrow finally:

"Tony Blair faces calls for impeachment on release of Chilcot report"

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...face-impeachment-on-release-of-chilcot-report

God Save the Queen!
 

scroobal

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The thing that intrigues me is that he set up a Book Club as UK tax exempt charity, collected donations in the UK from blur UK citizens and has been funding certain interesting things in both Malaysia and Singapore. The people receiving the funds such as TOC, 2 film ventures that portrays him amongst others etc are done rather openly. He knows full well that some people associated with these will walk away knowing that they are not prepared to work for an agenda that they will not be in control of. TOC paid the price for this as everyone left except for one bloke.

I suspect that he does this openly to keep hogging the headlines knowing that a confrontation will occur. The first film the Govt banned and there was a ruckus and multiple bus trips organised to JB to view the films and it made noise on the online space for sometime. The second film was unexpectedly passed by the authorities and it shocked the producer and many people. This time no noise, no bus trips and nobody cared except for a few. It became an anticlimax.
 

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The thing that intrigues me is that he set up a Book Club as UK tax exempt charity, collected donations in the UK from blur UK citizens and has been funding certain interesting things in both Malaysia and Singapore. The people receiving the funds such as TOC, 2 film ventures that portrays him amongst others etc are done rather openly. He knows full well that some people associated with these will walk away knowing that they are not prepared to work for an agenda that they will not be in control of. TOC paid the price for this as everyone left except for one bloke.

I suspect that he does this openly to keep hogging the headlines knowing that a confrontation will occur. The first film the Govt banned and there was a ruckus and multiple bus trips organised to JB to view the films and it made noise on the online space for sometime. The second film was unexpectedly passed by the authorities and it shocked the producer and many people. This time no noise, no bus trips and nobody cared except for a few. It became an anticlimax.

The thing that intrigues me is why the perfectly legal actions of a former citizen of Singapore, who had the privilege of an amendment to the Constitution being rammed through ParLEEment specifically to deprive him of his citizenship for having stayed abroad for too long, should attract the attention of a ScrewedBalls Sinkie who is always insinuating about the "improper motives" of other people. This kind of insinuation is very PAP - foreign newspapers cannot comment on Singapore politics because they are only interested in sensationalising Sinkie politics to get advertising revenue while conveniently omitting the fact that in Sinkieland there is only one newspaper and it is controlled by the PAP! Questioning the motives of other people while they themselves are having improper motives for their action.

The whole point of a democracy is not that there will be no politicians with improper motives but the freedom of information and competition of ideas so that an enlightened electorate can make a wise choice out of the various options and arguments presented before them.

What's wrong with writing an article on uncertainties thrown up by Brexit on TOC? You mean Sinkies are only interested in what is happening on their insignificant Little Red Dot and don't care about what else is happening in the rest of the world?

Hello Uncle Sinkie, Brexit is THE hottest topic on Planet Earth since the outcome of the referendum! Even the Brits themselves are not sure what the result of the referendum means and this is primarily because they don't have a written Constitution, whereas Sinkieland has but might as well not have one since 70% of the population are not interested in becoming an enlightened electorate!

Before long, ScrewedBalls will use one of his clones to post saying that so and so have an improper motive for posting in HIS thread!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-brexit-can-t-happen-without-parliament-vote
 
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Brexit is indeed a hot topic and its a landmark World event. At least write about it with some level of knowledge, substance and logic. The article is utter rubbish. Anyone who followed the referendum will tell you he has no clue what he is writing about. Obviously you did not read the article or have no idea about Brexit and the meaning of a referendum. Do you think Singaporeans would have objected if Old Man asked another by-elections the following month when Anson was lost to JBJ in 1981?

And he is for 2nd referendum?? Nobody in Singapore gives a fuck and this comes to the point about being relevant.

Its like the Post 64 PAP MP trying to impress younger Singaporeans about hip hop and become the laughing stock of the country when they performed in 2007. Bunch of clowns. You do remember the PAP MPs who made a fool of themselves? No relevance to the youth of Singapore.

The thing that intrigues me is why the perfectly legal actions of a former citizen of Singapore, who had the privilege of an amendment to the Constitution being rammed through ParLEEment specifically to deprive him of his citizenship for having stayed abroad for too long, should attract the attention of a ScrewedBalls Sinkie who is always insinuating about the "improper motives" of other people. This kind of insinuation is very PAP - foreign newspapers cannot comment on Singapore politics because they are only interested in sensationalising Sinkie politics to get advertising revenue while conveniently omitting the fact that in Sinkieland there is only one newspaper and it is controlled by the PAP! Questioning the motives of other people while they themselves are having improper motives for their action.

The whole point of a democracy is not that there will be no politicians with improper motives but the freedom of information and competition of ideas so that an enlightened electorate can make a wise choice out of the various options and arguments presented before them.

What's wrong with writing an article on uncertainties thrown up by Brexit on TOC? You mean Sinkies are only interested in what is happening on their insignificant Little Red Dot and don't care about what else is happening in the rest of the world?

Hello Uncle Sinkie, Brexit is THE hottest topic on Planet Earth since the outcome of the referendum! Even the Brits themselves are not sure what the result of the referendum means and this is primarily because they don't have a written Constitution, whereas Sinkieland has but might as well not have one since 70% of the population are not interested in becoming an enlightened electorate!

Before long, ScrewedBalls will use one of his clones to post saying that so and so have an improper motive for posting in HIS thread!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-brexit-can-t-happen-without-parliament-vote
 

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Brexit is indeed a hot topic and its a landmark World event. At least write about it with some level of knowledge, substance and logic. The article is utter rubbish. Anyone who followed the referendum will tell you he has no clue what he is writing about. Obviously you did not read the article or have no idea about Brexit and the meaning of a referendum. Do you think Singaporeans would have objected if Old Man asked another by-elections the following month when Anson was lost to JBJ in 1981?

Obviously ScrewedBalls is an arrogant big mouth who thinks only he is entitled to have an opinion on anything. Contrary to your baseless accusation, I have indeed read TWP's article. While I may not agree with the conclusion, the reasoning is far better than what you can you find in a Shit Times article. Rather than making unsubstantiated conclusions and questioning every Tom, Dick and Harry's motives, perhaps ScrewedBalls can point out which part he/she/it finds illogical. I have also read other articles in print and on the web from reputable sources on this topic. ScrewedBalls obviously did not read the Bloomberg article the link to which I had provided. And as for a 2nd referendum, it is being floated by some smart Brits. If these smart Brits can talk about a 2nd referendum, why can't TWP write about it and state his reasons for why there should be one?

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/27/europe/britain-brexit-inevitable/

You Gila or what? Comparing Anson by-election with Brexit! It's like comparing the results of a by-election in some far flung constituency in Wales with a decision to leave a pseudo Federation of which your country has been a part for like 40 years. Seems like ScrewedBalls has lost touch with reality and is fast becoming irrelevant.

And he is for 2nd referendum?? Nobody in Singapore gives a fuck and this comes to the point about being relevant.

ScrewedBalls with low IQ don't give a fuck doesn't mean nobody in Sinkieland gives a fuck! ScrewBalls will soon become an irrelevant Sinkie.

Its like the Post 64 PAP MP trying to impress younger Singaporeans about hip hop and become the laughing stock of the country when they performed in 2007. Bunch of clowns. You do remember the PAP MPs who made a fool of themselves? No relevance to the youth of Singapore.

Another Gila comparison! Those PAP MPs indeed made a fool of themselves. What makes you think TWP is writing the article on TOC to impress Sinkies? Just write for intellectual interest cannot lah! Stupid cock. If Sinkie youth are not interested in world events, it is they who will eventually become irrelevant and boy will I be happy when that day arrives.
 
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scroobal

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Views and opinions must have some substance. People who read can judge for themselves. As said I have been reading his articles for sometime and increasingly its becoming nonsensical. It is also irrelevant to Singaporeans. So its double whammy.

Pointless pushing water uphill.

Obviously ScrewedBalls is an arrogant big mouth who thinks only he is entitled to have an opinion on anything. Contrary to your baseless accusation, I have indeed read TWP's article. While I may not agree with the conclusion, the reasoning is far better than what you can you find in a Shit Times article. Rather than making unsubstantiated conclusions and questioning every Tom, Dick and Harry's motives, perhaps ScrewedBalls can point out which part he/she/it finds illogical. I have also read other articles in print and on the web from reputable sources on this topic. ScrewedBalls obviously did not read the Bloomberg article the link to which I had provided. And as for a second referendum, it is being floated by some smart Brits.

You Gila or what? Comparing Anson by-election with Brexit! It's like comparing the results of a by-election in some far flung constituency in Wales with a decision to leave a pseudo Federation of which your country has been a part for like 40 years. Seems like ScrewedBalls has lost touch with reality and is fast becoming irrelevant.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/27/europe/britain-brexit-inevitable/



ScrewedBalls with low IQ don't give a fuck doesn't mean nobody in Sinkieland gives a fuck! ScrewBalls will soon become an irrelevant Sinkie.



Another Gila comparison! Those PAP MPs indeed made a fool of themselves. What makes you think TWP is writing the article on TOC to impress Sinkies? Just write for intellectual interest cannot lah! Stupid cock. If Sinkie youth are not interested in world events, it is they who will eventually become irrelevant and boy will I be happy when that day arrives.
 

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Looks like you have no clue about TOC and TWP. After 9 years everyone with substance have abandoned TOC over the donation from TWP. People knew full well the law over foreign donations from non commercial entities.

. What makes you think TWP is writing the article on TOC to impress Sinkies? Just write for intellectual interest cannot lah! Stupid cock. If Sinkie youth are not interested in world events, it is they who will eventually become irrelevant and boy will I be happy when that day arrives.
 

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Looks like you have no clue about TOC and TWP. After 9 years everyone with substance have abandoned TOC over the donation from TWP. People knew full well the law over foreign donations from non commercial entities.

Looks like you have no clue that Sinkie laws are kangaroo like their courts. Such donation will not be a problem in most First World countries. Only brainwashed Sinkies will think that it is a problem.
 

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I think age must have got to him. I have been watching UK referendum for sometime and his article is nowhere near what he wrote.
You deemed yourself better than TPW?
The people voted, not the politicians and one must respect the results of the referendum.
MUST respect? Where is it written that the the referendum is binding?
The elected MPs have the final say and if they choose to ignore it, it is a risk to their political career but it is within their role and right. There is no 'MUST'; only the ignorant makes such a claim.

Clearly half the country is not prepared to live their lives with little control over their future. It was a backlash from uncontrolled immigration since the admission of EU8 plus EU2.
If the British government implemented minimum income and provided enormous financial help to those affected by globalization, the outcome of the referendum would have been different.

Singaporeans are also in a similar state and this guy wants to preserve the status quo.
Where in his article did TPW said or implied that?

This is what happens when you accept money from someone that you become are so beholden that to you end up publishing their rubbish.
It looks like the the commentator is the party spouting rubbish.
 
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