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Serious MIW on Brexit.

Seee3

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Re: Brexit: DPM Tharman have spoken

Tharman is like Singapore's answer to Warren Buffett. If The Tarman says UK leaving EU is bad, then it must be bad. Good luck to UK. Their women would be working as maids and hookers in foreign countries within the next few years.

It is a carefully crafted comment that leaving eu is bad. However, I am saddened by his biased view. He noted that those in the industrial cities who voted leave may end up getting hurt more. He also highlighted that the old voted to leave. What he had not comment on was in his personal understanding, how badly hurt are these group of people right now? Is there any way for them to improve their lots under the current situation if they remain in eu? Brit are not so stupid. They may not believe in WDA, especially when one is already 50 years old.

Globisation is a zero sum game. Assuming A employs B, a fellow countryman, to make a shirt for $10 and sold it for $20, making a profit of $10. With globalization, A got X from another country to make the shirt for $1. After selling the shirt for $20, A now makes a profit of s19 (which is how globalisation makes the rich get richer) and X gained $1. Poor B gets $0 after globalization, which is how the middle class faces the blunt of the negative effec. I will also vote to leave if I am B. He can't get any worst. However, the country will ger worst, and that is what the rich are worried of. When there is chaos, may get robbed and their properties destroyed. To B, he has nothing to lose and riot may be good as he may loot shops to get what he wants.

It is worrying to see politicians thinking only from their narrow minded view and worst when he was suppose to be the better one.
 

mojito

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Re: Brexit: DPM Tharman have spoken

Read carefully. He is saying that leaving EU is bad for the economy, but politicians brought it upon themselves by not responding to the needs and emotions of the disenfranchised who did not benefit from the union. And he is right.

Thankfully this sort of thing never happens in Singapore. Everybody agrees that we benefit with more FTs. There is no need to stop now. :smile:
 

halsey02

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Re: Bilhari & Tommy Koh on Brexit

"I'm pretty sure Tommy Koh would advocate that Sinkieland practises the true form of democracy and that the Sinkie government is a democratic institution."

I am sure he is talking for he is beholden to his paymasters & not from his conscience, when he talk about sinkingtothecore....can he stand before God, his God.....& say this?.....tell the truth!.

Is there a democracy for Asians, or Europeans, for Africans , for Americans for?...you mean we, have a democracy that is for? why don't he just say, we have no democracy here, but a dictatorial government..that is democratically paying his salary....

speak the truth....before God.
 

Pinkieslut

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Lee Hsien Loong warn Sinkies not to follow Brexit Populist Disaster

YOu all betta not follow Brexit! Get fucked in the arse deep deep by PAP for more years to CUM!


Brexit vote a 'turning point': PM Lee

SINGAPORE: Britain's vote to leave the European Union (EU) is a turning point, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said on Friday (Jun 24), after the UK voted in a referendum to leave the EU.
The decision reflects the anxiety of the British population over immigration, their resentment at having to negotiate with and accommodate European partners, and their desire to assert British identity and sovereignty, Mr Lee stated.
"Other developed countries also face similar challenges as Britain. We all live in a globalised, interdependent world. The desire to disengage, to be less constrained by one’s partners, to be free to do things entirely as one chooses, is entirely understandable. And yet in reality for many countries disengaging and turning inwards will likely lead to less security, less prosperity, and a dimmer future.

"It is too early to tell, but we need to watch developments carefully. Nobody can foresee all the consequences of the Brexit," Mr Lee wrote on Facebook. He noted that the next few years will be uncertain ones for Britain and Europe. "What new arrangements will be made? Will this hurt investor confidence more broadly, and the global economy? How will Britain’s leaving affect the rest of the EU? How will this affect us, living in Asia but part of the same globalised world?"

Mr Lee added: "Singapore will continue to cultivate our ties with Britain, which is a long standing friend and partner. We hope in time the uncertainty will diminish, and we will make the best of the new reality.
"We wish Britain well. I wish David Cameron well too, who has been a good friend of Singapore and has announced his intention to resign as PM."
"DIVIDED WE LEAVE": THARMAN

Deputy Prime Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam said that the markets would react negatively and overshoot, but that "this will not be like 2008 when the house came down". He added that while the uncertainty in the UK and Europe would hurt the rest of the world including Asia, "the more profound questions revolve around politics".

In a Facebook post, Mr Tharman noted that London and Scotland voted to stay in the EU while Wales and the "English provinces outside London" voted to leave. He said: "The majority of the educated class voting to stay; the less educated to leave. Those doing well in their jobs and incomes voting to stay; those who felt they’ve been losing out voted to leave. Many more of the young voted to stay; old voting to leave."

Mr Tharman noted the "growing appeal of nationalist politics, demagogues, and in some cases outright racism" as well as the "weakening of trust and consensus in society, and of the centre in politics".
To tackle it, Mr Tharman said, "the politics of the centre must stay connected to the challenges that ordinary people face - and address their need for jobs and security, and a balance in immigration that preserves a sense of identity. Tackling this without turning inward, and weakening jobs and society further, is the central challenge everywhere."

IMPLICATIONS FOR SINGAPORE

Foreign Affairs Minister Vivian Balakrishnan said he did not expect the Singapore-UK relationship to change significantly as the two had always had a "strong traditional relationship in the economy, in diplomacy, and even in defence relations".

"For instance, almost half our investments in the EU actually go to the UK ... I don't expect that to change significantly," he said on the sidelines of a Maker Faire event.

Meanwhile, Minister for Culture, Community and Youth Grace Fu said that there will be market turmoil ahead, which will affect Singapore.

"The effects on the real economy will come quickly and last for years as investors and businesses work through the possible ramification," said Ms Fu. "UK will have to deal with a messy situation that will cast a dark shadow on the global economy. Brace for gloomier outlook."

"Singapore thrives in a market with free trade and movement of goods and funds," she added in a reply to a comment from a member of the public. "If this signals a more nationalistic and protectionist world, it will not be good for us."

National Development Minister Lawrence Wong agreed that the result of the vote will have implications for Singapore.

"Beyond the initial market turbulence, this historic move is likely to have far-reaching and longer-term implications on global growth, trade and integration. So while Brexit may not be uppermost on our minds, the decision taken today will have bearing on us," Mr Wong said.

Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen said Singapore has lessons to learn from the vote."For me, the most important lesson is that change is inevitable and that when it comes, it is the solidarity of a nation’s people with each other and their leaders that will pull them through," said Dr Ng.

"Tomorrow will be a different world for UK people, and only unity and common purpose will lead them through safely and for a better future. Disunity and lack of strong leadership will blight their future, however they voted in the referendum," the Defence Minister added.

AN UNNECESSARY REFERENDUM?

Ambassador-at-Large Bilahari Kausikan also weighed in on the Brexit vote.

“It isn’t often you see a country commit suicide before your eyes,” said Mr Bilahari to Channel NewsAsia.
“We are also witnessing the tragically irrational consequences of western democracy. The UK is only an example of the dysfunctionality of a system taken to extremes," he added.

In a Facebook post, Ambassador-at-Large Tommy Koh said Mr Cameron had "messed up big time by holding an unnecessary referendum".
"The result is a tragedy for the UK and for the EU. It is a victory for populism over rationality. It is a victory for fear over hope. It will probably lead to the secession of Scotland from the UK," he wrote.
"The global wave of populism which is sweeping the world is a danger to democracy and to democratic institutions. Let us hope that it will not invade Singapore," he added.
 

eatshitndie

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Re: Lee Hsien Loong warn Sinkies not to follow Brexit Populist Disaster

no worries. sg pm will not mess up like cameron "holding an unnecessary referendum" so long when he has a better than 69% mandate.
 

zeroo

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LKY didn't believe one man one vote is for everyone this is good example

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BY FREDDIE CAMPION
June 24, 2016, 11:27 am ET

Man, Brexit. So sorry everyone. I mean, what were we thinking? It seemed like a great idea at the time. But now we look at the years of political unrest and global financial turmoil we just unleashed on the rest of the world, and we're starting to think maybe it wasn't such a hot idea.
I mean, we knew David Cameron threatened to resign if we all voted "Leave," but none of us thought he'd actually go ahead and do it. To be honest, as this voter told the BBC, we didn't actually think our votes would, like, count.

This guy's not the only one. I think this woman did a good job explaining how we all feel when she told ITV earlier today we'd do anything for do-over.
 

eatshitndie

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Re: LKY didn't believe one man one vote is for everyone this is good example

it should be 2 balls 2 votes. those with 1 ball, half a ball, and no balls can stay home.
 

mojito

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Re: LKY didn't believe one man one vote is for everyone this is good example

Yes. Poor people should not stop rich people from getting richer. That is selfish thinking.
 

JHolmesJr

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Re: Lee Hsien Loong warn Sinkies not to follow Brexit Populist Disaster

Usually Ive noticed that when politicians try to scare people, it is they who are the most afraid of something.
 

Dreamer1

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Re: Lee Hsien Loong warn Sinkies not to follow Brexit Populist Disaster

Populism won the day, British people,like the rest of the world, DISLIKE immigrants who take their jobs.

Singapore is the only exception in this world, why? it is obvious that PAP is King of Populism, it manufactures Populism 'of Singapore, "that is "immigrants are super good for Singapore", that was how PAP became one of the very few ruling parties which did not see regime change in the last election after it announced it wanted to increase population to 10 million officially, this little red dot is confirmed GONE case, thanks to the cons of PAP plus that great master con.
 

JHolmesJr

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Re: Brexit: DPM Tharman have spoken

This guy is a bit of a captain obvious, isnt he?

Obviously those who profit from the corrupt EU system will vote remain...and those disenfranchised by the system will vote leave.

The numbers clearly show that the latter had a bigger voice.

The EU agreement is totally rigged to allow poor countries to send their people to enter the UK freely....here they drive down wages and take up jobs that locals could do....plus they scrounge off free public infrastructure like NHS, schools etc....putting enormpus strain on them. Not to mention creating their own fucking ghettos and altering societal structure, creating disharmony. (kinda like Mandarin Gardens)

This is all at the request of big business that has bought the politicians....they provide campaign donations, politicians provide policies that create cheap labour and low/no taxes.

You dont see people from Poland migrating to Romania, do you? They all got to the fucking UK....and they repatriate all their money out of the UK.

So according to Captain Obvious, if you vote against this bullshit, you are a racist and umwelcoming of foreigners.

99% of dumbass Singos might buy that crap.... but thankfully we got some smart people in the UK, apparently.
 

winnipegjets

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Re: Brexit: DPM Tharman have spoken

It is a carefully crafted comment that leaving eu is bad. However, I am saddened by his biased view. He noted that those in the industrial cities who voted leave may end up getting hurt more. He also highlighted that the old voted to leave. What he had not comment on was in his personal understanding, how badly hurt are these group of people right now? Is there any way for them to improve their lots under the current situation if they remain in eu? Brit are not so stupid. They may not believe in WDA, especially when one is already 50 years old.

Globisation is a zero sum game. Assuming A employs B, a fellow countryman, to make a shirt for $10 and sold it for $20, making a profit of $10. With globalization, A got X from another country to make the shirt for $1. After selling the shirt for $20, A now makes a profit of s19 (which is how globalisation makes the rich get richer) and X gained $1. Poor B gets $0 after globalization, which is how the middle class faces the blunt of the negative effec. I will also vote to leave if I am B. He can't get any worst. However, the country will ger worst, and that is what the rich are worried of. When there is chaos, may get robbed and their properties destroyed. To B, he has nothing to lose and riot may be good as he may loot shops to get what he wants.

It is worrying to see politicians thinking only from their narrow minded view and worst when he was suppose to be the better one.

Globalization benefits the rich and impoverish the others. Rich owns the capital while the others provide the labour. Rich wants to be richer, deploys his capital to places where he gets better returns, places where labour is willing to work for very little.
To stop globalization, you need to get rid of free trade and implement managed trade. We can't have others come in to eat our lunch.
 

winnipegjets

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Re: Lee Hsien Loong warn Sinkies not to follow Brexit Populist Disaster

His papa got sinkapore out of the federation. Why can't sinkees vote themselves to join a federation where the economic pie is bigger, thus making life easier for sinkees?
 

da dick

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Re: Lee Hsien Loong warn Sinkies not to follow Brexit Populist Disaster

i am the 30%. populists are the 70% and pappies. vote pappies out, you say? okay loh. stop the 70% from voting, my dear dragon loon!
 

tanwahtiu

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Re: Brexit: DPM Tharman have spoken

when come from PAP mouthpiece they used again scare tactic to intimidate Sinkies.

nothing will go wrong as British Empire had done before send Palmerstion gunboat diplomace to Europe to blast Europe to open up legal drug trade in Europe, like they did before in China.

We will se how this evil British will demolished, again, the Europe monarchy and retain their Queen Vic monarchy.

nothing has change when it comes to British Empire evil and wicked race.







It is a carefully crafted comment that leaving eu is bad. However, I am saddened by his biased view. He noted that those in the industrial cities who voted leave may end up getting hurt more. He also highlighted that the old voted to leave. What he had not comment on was in his personal understanding, how badly hurt are these group of people right now? Is there any way for them to improve their lots under the current situation if they remain in eu? Brit are not so stupid. They may not believe in WDA, especially when one is already 50 years old.

Globisation is a zero sum game. Assuming A employs B, a fellow countryman, to make a shirt for $10 and sold it for $20, making a profit of $10. With globalization, A got X from another country to make the shirt for $1. After selling the shirt for $20, A now makes a profit of s19 (which is how globalisation makes the rich get richer) and X gained $1. Poor B gets $0 after globalization, which is how the middle class faces the blunt of the negative effec. I will also vote to leave if I am B. He can't get any worst. However, the country will ger worst, and that is what the rich are worried of. When there is chaos, may get robbed and their properties destroyed. To B, he has nothing to lose and riot may be good as he may loot shops to get what he wants.

It is worrying to see politicians thinking only from their narrow minded view and worst when he was suppose to be the better one.
 

tanwahtiu

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Re: Brexit: DPM Tharman have spoken

Did the British empire NOT caused China to open up and the world 1st globalization happened in China, from illegal opium trade in China?




This guy is a bit of a captain obvious, isnt he?

Obviously those who profit from the corrupt EU system will vote remain...and those disenfranchised by the system will vote leave.

The numbers clearly show that the latter had a bigger voice.

The EU agreement is totally rigged to allow poor countries to send their people to enter the UK freely....here they drive down wages and take up jobs that locals could do....plus they scrounge off free public infrastructure like NHS, schools etc....putting enormpus strain on them. Not to mention creating their own fucking ghettos and altering societal structure, creating disharmony. (kinda like Mandarin Gardens)

This is all at the request of big business that has bought the politicians....they provide campaign donations, politicians provide policies that create cheap labour and low/no taxes.

You dont see people from Poland migrating to Romania, do you? They all got to the fucking UK....and they repatriate all their money out of the UK.

So according to Captain Obvious, if you vote against this bullshit, you are a racist and umwelcoming of foreigners.

99% of dumbass Singos might buy that crap.... but thankfully we got some smart people in the UK, apparently.
 

scroobal

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Re: Brexit: DPM Tharman have spoken

You either did not read his whole message or did not understand it. Its far from narrow minded or bias. Its actually an objective observation and insightful. And the message is also crystal clear. Its obvious that the message is meant not only for ordinary citizens but for his PAP colleagues including those in the cabinet. Its basically a warning. Compare that with the message that PM, Bilahari Kausikan and Tommy Koh sent out. The latter 3 painted the negatives of the exit but did not highlight the causes for the majority of Brtis to go for the exit. Its a first world nation and they are much better educated so why did they go down this path. Tharman messages covers that.

Here is what he is saying
- "Those doing well in their jobs and incomes voting to stay; those who felt they’ve been losing out voted to leave" does this comment not resonate with PMETs and locals not part of the Singapore's economic pie
- "But to tackle it, the politics of the centre must stay connected to the challenges that ordinary people face" - what do up think this means?
- "address their need for jobs and security, and a balance in immigration that preserves a sense of identity." - surely you must at least grasp this?
- " A growing disaffection with the establishment.
- "A weakening of trust and consensus in society, and of the centre in politics."
- "Tackling this without turning inward, and weakening jobs and society further, is the central challenge everywhere." - note the use of the word "further".

Note the points above are all his words.

PM, Bilahari, Tommy etc did not even come close. Anyone in cabinet including the PM will know that the message is for him, the cabinet, the establishment and the PAP / PA machinery.

In summary, he is saying that it is pointless growing the economic pie if we lose our identity, do not in include everyone in society to enjoy that pie etc. Note his warning on immigration. Also more damning is the lost of trust in the establishment by the people. The Brits decided to sacrifice the larger economic pie to regain their identity and reclaim their country from the politicians in which they have lost trust with. All this is mirrored in Singapore and should be obvious.

2 Singapore leaders issued a comment on the same issue within 24 hrs, one the PM and the other the DPM. It does not take much to figure out who is the idiot between the two.

It is a carefully crafted comment that leaving eu is bad. However, I am saddened by his biased view. He noted that those in the industrial cities who voted leave may end up getting hurt more. He also highlighted that the old voted to leave. What he had not comment on was in his personal understanding, how badly hurt are these group of people right now? Is there any way for them to improve their lots under the current situation if they remain in eu? Brit are not so stupid. They may not believe in WDA, especially when one is already 50 years old.

Globisation is a zero sum game. Assuming A employs B, a fellow countryman, to make a shirt for $10 and sold it for $20, making a profit of $10. With globalization, A got X from another country to make the shirt for $1. After selling the shirt for $20, A now makes a profit of s19 (which is how globalisation makes the rich get richer) and X gained $1. Poor B gets $0 after globalization, which is how the middle class faces the blunt of the negative effec. I will also vote to leave if I am B. He can't get any worst. However, the country will ger worst, and that is what the rich are worried of. When there is chaos, may get robbed and their properties destroyed. To B, he has nothing to lose and riot may be good as he may loot shops to get what he wants.

It is worrying to see politicians thinking only from their narrow minded view and worst when he was suppose to be the better one.
 

Papsmearer

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I can tell you that if that were to happen, he would win by about 99%.The problem is not immigration….only a moron would argue that all immigration is bad…the problem is immigration where the focus has shifted from excellence and specialised skills to one big free-for-all where the one who names the lowest price is welcomed into Singapore….millions of indians and china citizens will accept any wage simply for the chance to live here because the population explosion and living environment in their countries is unbearable.
This is not the problem, this is the ONLY solution. Ask yourself why the skilled, specialized and excellent people would come here? If they are that good, they prefer to go to Canada, US, Uk, Australia, etc. The singapore created by the PAP holds no appeal to them. The PAP realized this. They can offer WHore Jinx's asshole for free fuck to any truly talented person, and they still would not come. (That might be a disincentive, LOL) I have met real talent that ask me why they should move to singapore when singaporeans are desperately trying to get out. Hence, the only solution is to do a big free for all open door policy. The PAP's theory is some immgration, even if its riff raff, is better then no immigration.
 

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Re: Brexit: DPM Tharman have spoken

Tharman Shanmugaratnam

Many of the people who voted for Britain to leave Europe, like those in England’s industrial cities, may end up being hurt by its economic consequences. Yet their frustration over their jobs and wages, and their fear of uncontrolled immigration if Britain stayed in Europe, has shaped their votes..

A typical PAP box thinking that every populist move will hurt the citizen. If people have nothing to gain when Britian was part of Europe, there is nothing to lose when Britain leave Europe. I hated PAP for its usual one-sided warped thinking process.
 

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Re: Lee Hsien Loong warn Sinkies not to follow Brexit Populist Disaster

no worries. sg pm will not mess up like cameron "holding an unnecessary referendum" so long when he has a better than 69% mandate.

True! Singapore has 70% daft sinkies, no worry nor change is needed. LHL is worrying too much. I suspect, he was guilt striken by his lax immigration policies.
 
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