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Chitchat Brexit, and its aftermath

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Global markets lose US$2.1 trillion in Brexit rout

LONDON: Britain's shock vote to pull out of the European Union wiped US$2.1 trillion from global equity markets on Friday (Jun 24) as traders panicked in the face of a new threat to the global economy.

Investors fled to the safety of gold, the yen and blue-chip bonds as the seismic shift in the structure of Europe left many huge questions hanging, including who will lead Britain following the resignation of Prime Minister David Cameron.

The Brexit vote sparked eight percent losses in the Tokyo and Paris bourses, nearly seven percent in Frankfurt and more than three percent in London and New York.

Central banks stepped in to bolster confidence, promising to inject liquidity where needed and appearing to mitigate some of the sharpest losses.

Still, the pound crashed 10 per cent to a 31-year low at one point, before rebounding slightly for a 9.1 per cent loss against the greenback in late trade.

The euro also plummeted, dropping 2.6 per cent on the dollar.

Benefiting from a massive safety selloff, gold jumped nearly five percent and the yen surged 4.2 per cent against the dollar and 7.0 per cent on the euro. The dollar at one point fell below 100 yen for the first time since November 2013.

US 10-year treasury bond yields hit their lowest since 2012 at 1.42 per cent before edging higher, while the German 10-year bond fell into negative territory for the second time in history.

MASSIVELY WRONG BET

Analysts say the split of Britain with the EU could slow trade and investment in the country and hit its key financial industry, possibly pushing the economy into recession.

"The vote is creating a tremendous amount of uncertainty. Uncertainty often freezes expansion decisions... it means that the global economy will grow more slowly," said James Chessen, chief economist at the American Bankers Association.

The extent of the market damage across Asia, Europe and the Americas attested to how wrong investors were to bid up prices ahead of the referendum, convinced Britons would vote to remain part of the 28-nation European Union.

"This was really an event that caught most global investors flat-footed," said Jack Ablin, chief investment officer at BMO Private Bank.

"It is clear that the broader markets went into this critical vote with too much comfort," echoed George Goncalves of Nomura Securities.

The losses were of a magnitude unseen since the dark days of the global economic crisis.

In all US$2.1 trillion in value was wiped off of equities worldwide, according to S&P Dow Jones Indices.

London's benchmark FTSE 100 index plummeted 7.5 per cent at the open, but recovered partially after British Prime Minister David Cameron said he would step down and central banks pledged support.

"The liquidity support promised by the Bank of England -- and subsequently the ECB and Federal Reserve -- appears to have been the main catalyst for the turnaround," said Spreadex analyst Connor Campbell.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average registered its largest single-day point fall since 2011, losing 610 points.

Milan slumped 12.5 per cent, and Madrid lost 12.4 per cent on jitters ahead of Spanish elections on Sunday.

BANKS HARD HIT

With London's claim to the world's leading finance center on the line with the EU divorce, banks were heavily sold Friday. Many global banks say they expect to relocate staff to elsewhere in the European Union in anticipation of the breakup.

Among top European banks, Lloyds lost 21 per cent and Societe Generale plunged 20 per cent, while losses at others ran 14-18 per cent.

In New York, Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs all lost between seven and 10 per cent.

The travel industry was also battered by worries that the Britain-EU divorce will hit business. Hotels, travel agencies and airlines all fell sharply, with Air France down 10.0 per cent, Lufthansa 9.2 per cent and American Airlines 10.8 per cent.

KEY FIGURES AROUND 2100 GMT

London - FTSE 100: DOWN 3.2 per cent at 6,138.69 (close)

Frankfurt - DAX 30: DOWN 6.8 per cent at 9,557.16 (close)

Paris - CAC 40: DOWN 8.0 per cent at 4,106.73 (close)

EuroStoxx 50: DOWN 8.6 per cent at 2,776.09 (close)

New York - DOW: DOWN 3.4 per cent at 17,400.75 (close)

New York - S&P 500: DOWN 3.6 per cent at 2,037.41 (close)

New York - Nasdaq: DOWN 4.1 per cent at 4,707.98 (close)

Tokyo - Nikkei 225: DOWN 7.9 per cent at 14,952.02 (close)

Shanghai - Composite: DOWN 1.3 per cent at 2,854.29 (close)

Hong Kong - Hang Seng: DOWN 2.9 per cent at 20,259.13 (close)

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/global-markets-lose-us-2/2903636.html?cid=fbcna
 

tanwahtiu

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Re: Suddenly we got 2 more countries -Scootlands and London

Palmerston was a Scottish who misled British empire to use gunboat diplomacy to blast China to open up opium drug trade in China door step.

China and Chinese will be glad to grow opium for any one of them wishing to force their British empire to open up opium trade in their small British island.




 

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Re: EU chief to UK= Fuck Off Now! NATO to break and European War coming!

The Brits are learning from sinkees; Lee Cons You engineered sinkapore's exit from the Federation in the 60s, using a pack of lies.

if mats were as rich and useful as EU, i would suck their cock to stay.... bad meme example.
 

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Re: Global markets lose US$2.1 trillion in Brexit rout

Ratings agency Moody's has changed the U.K.'s sovereign rating from "stable" to "negative," reflecting what it said would be a drawn-out period of uncertainty about the future of the country.

Moody's said in a note that the unpredictability of British decision-making factored into its move, as did the likelihood of lower economic growth which it said would outweigh any savings the U.K. might hope to get from savings coming from not having to contribute to the EU budget.

"Over the longer term, should the U.K. not be able to secure a favorable alternative trade arrangement with the EU and other countries, the UK's growth prospects would be materially weaker than currently expected," the note said.
 

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Britain has voted to leave the EU but London wants to stay — and some are suggesting the capital city should go its own way.

While 52 percent of British electors voted to leave the European Union, a majority of voters in London wished to remain.

After the result, Mayor Sadiq Khan issued a statement telling the 1 million EU citizens in London "you are very welcome here."

Some Londoners urged the mayor to declare independence, rallying on social media under the hashtag #londependence.

Columnist Holly Baxter wrote in The Independent that "London didn't vote for this, and Londoners should go it alone." And former Labour government adviser Spencer Livermore tweeted "Independence for London within the EU should now be our goal. We would have a GDP twice as large as Singapore."

Khan didn't go that far, but he said that it was "crucial that London has a voice at the table" during Britain's exit negotiations with the EU.
 

frenchbriefs

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Re: Global markets lose US$2.1 trillion in Brexit rout

looks like european markets and tokyo market are the worst hit,us market is quite severe at 3.7 percent but not as bad.....any idea how deep the us market index will fall this time?10 percent?20 percent?shouldnt be a real recession or depression but this might be a good opportunity to pick up some cheap equities etfs and some bank stocks.
 

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Re: Global markets lose US$2.1 trillion in Brexit rout

looks like european markets and tokyo market are the worst hit,us market is quite severe at 3.7 percent but not as bad.....any idea how deep the us market index will fall this time?10 percent?20 percent?shouldnt be a real recession or depression but this might be a good opportunity to pick up some cheap equities etfs and some bank stocks.

well, slowly slowly buy. yesterday i buy small small .

next week will see how.

my prediction. 2500 sti to stablize.
 

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Why UK took Brexit - and its implications

Causes

1. Most Brits understood that it will mean a smaller economic pie at least in the short term but many do not even share the economic pie currently and had nothing to lose

2. They had lost faith in their political establishment - note that Tories, Labour and Liberals, all mainstream parties canvassed to remain. The people spoke otherwise as the trust to lead has been broken. Cameron tendered his resignation and the Labour Party Parliamentary caucus have issued a no confidence vote against their leader Jeremy Corbyn. This is landmark event that have hit both parties.

3. Immigration and the Zero Hours work contract undermined the minimum wage law and saw citizens losing jobs to EU citizens from Eastern Europe who were much cheaper. This year alone saw Shipyards, Iron mills etc which employed generations of the same families close down. A minimum wage is defined per hour and not per job. Under zero contract, you can be called in as and when the employers feels like and it might not even amount to 4 hrs or even 1 day a week.

4. National infrastructure such as Hospitals under strain, shortage of beds, elective procedures and surgeries routinely postponed numerous times, train fares going up, rentals shooting sky high and young couples unable to compete with foreigners to climb the property ladder.

5. EU human rights continuously undermined the UK ability to handle criminal cases from enforcement, prosecution, conviction and custody. In one case alone involving a convicted terrorist, the subject incurred £2.6m in legal fees and benefits over an 8 year period with his lawyers repeatedly going to EU courts for relief and legal challenges.

In essence, a wide swathe of the population was disenfranchised or marginalised and felt that they had lost control of their country. National identity, citizenship and birthright meant little.
 

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Brits got balls, fuck the kingmakers.

Some factions lost face and control.......and wants to get back at such defiaiant and brave behaviour....indirectly and as a warning.

Sinkieland gdp growth......how did it benefit the average sinkie.........and more and more local born sinkie losing jobs......

...........the UK's growth prospects would be materially weaker than currently expected," the note said.
 

scroobal

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Re: Why UK took Brexit - and its implications

Implications

1. Short term volatility across all market segments.

2. Inward investment will stop

3. Economic pie for the country will certainly shrink.

4. UK must commence bilateral negotiations and deals. Interestingly, the UK can still negotiate to be a member of the EU common markets and even negotiate on a UK and EU basis on various sectors without being bound by EU membership terms.

5. Employers must rationalise their businesses and move towards automation and higher productivity to reduce the level of dependence on cheap labour. It also means that better job opportunities for locals who have skills and education.

6. Political parties must start listening to their voters across the board and not just big businesses and labour unions.

7. Innovation will take off.

8. Opportunity for the Brits to reinvent themselves and reset their vision. The world will be their new market and the World will be also be their talent pool.

It will be a new journey with sacrifices to be made in order to reclaim their country, their pride and their national identity. If these fail, they have only themselves to blame and no longer can shift the blame to the EU.
 

SNTCK

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Re: Global markets lose US$2.1 trillion in Brexit rout

Brits got balls, fuck the kingmakers.

Some factions lost face and control.......and wants to get back at such defiaiant and brave behaviour....indirectly and as a warning.

Sinkieland gdp growth......how did it benefit the average sinkie.........and more and more local born sinkie losing jobs......

True. i do agree. i knew someone, middle age 40++. non-degree. then cant get job. ended up be a gardener, earn 2k
 

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True. i do agree. i knew someone, middle age 40++. non-degree. then cant get job. ended up be a gardener, earn 2k

It's a more healthy job, since he will exercise everyday and get healthy outdoor sun and air.
 

Satyr

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Re: Why UK took Brexit - and its implications

Implications

1. Short term volatility across all market segments.

2. Inward investment will stop

3. Economic pie for the country will certainly shrink.

4. UK must commence bilateral negotiations and deals. Interestingly, the UK can still negotiate to be a member of the EU common markets and even negotiate on a UK and EU basis on various sectors without being bound by EU membership terms.

5. Employers must rationalise their businesses and move towards automation and higher productivity to reduce the level of dependence on cheap labour. It also means that better job opportunities for locals who have skills and education.

6. Political parties must start listening to their voters across the board and not just big businesses and labour unions.

7. Innovation will take off.

8. Opportunity for the Brits to reinvent themselves and reset their vision. The world will be their new market and the World will be also be their talent pool.

It will be a new journey with sacrifices to be made in order to reclaim their country, their pride and their national identity. If these fail, they have only themselves to blame and no longer can shift the blame to the EU.

The lesson is that once you have a dependence on cheap labour you are courting disaster ? To be fair to the government , they identified productivity as a major issue for at least 40 years if not more. The trouble is they took a number of disastrous turns, beginning with the high wage policy in the 80's. Then they lost their way because of the single minded focus on GDP.
 

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Re: Global markets lose US$2.1 trillion in Brexit rout

It's a more healthy job, since he will exercise everyday and get healthy outdoor sun and air.

yes, those earn big bucks and sit at raffles place die first while he still alive. hahaha
 

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Britain has voted to leave the EU but London wants to stay — and some are suggesting the capital city should go its own way.

While 52 percent of British electors voted to leave the European Union, a majority of voters in London wished to remain.

After the result, Mayor Sadiq Khan issued a statement telling the 1 million EU citizens in London "you are very welcome here."

Some Londoners urged the mayor to declare independence, rallying on social media under the hashtag #londependence.

Columnist Holly Baxter wrote in The Independent that "London didn't vote for this, and Londoners should go it alone." And former Labour government adviser Spencer Livermore tweeted "Independence for London within the EU should now be our goal. We would have a GDP twice as large as Singapore."

Khan didn't go that far, but he said that it was "crucial that London has a voice at the table" during Britain's exit negotiations with the EU.

If London has a greater dependence on the Europe and the rest of the world than the rest of UK, it would make sense to have a separate rule for London. Just like China and HK. Interesting times. My view is that UK will not exactly leave the EU but they would reach accommodation on new rules , just like the way they have their own currency. Then they will ask for a new referendum to approve the new structure.
 

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Re: Suddenly we got 2 more countries -Scootlands and London

For Scotland, I have nothing much to say. But for London, it is much anticipated when that township comprises of 11 million inhabitants and especially when their current Mayor is a Muslim.
 
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Re: Global markets lose US$2.1 trillion in Brexit rout

well, slowly slowly buy. yesterday i buy small small .

next week will see how.

my prediction. 2500 sti to stablize.

you are taking interest in world affairs for your own gain rather than having a genuine concern for the welfare of the world..:oIo::oIo::oIo:
 
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