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Chitchat Unbelievable - Myanmar "Doctor" accepted by SMC without verification.

JohnTan

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People get the government they voted for. If sinkies felt that PAP was treating foreigners too well, they should have made their displeasure known at the polls. They instead gave PAP a record win. So this shows that after taking all big issues into consideration, sinkies still think PAP is their best option. You should blame the opposition for only being able to attract duds.
 

mojito

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Honestly what the hell is Gan Kim Yong doing? He must surely be the worst Minister of Health this country ever had.

Gan is not just the worst Minister of Health we ever had. Every ministry he passes, he leaves a trail of destruction. As the saying goes, if you aren't doing anything, you can't be doing anything wrong. :smile:
 

mojito

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People get the government they voted for. If sinkies felt that PAP was treating foreigners too well, they should have made their displeasure known at the polls. They instead gave PAP a record win. So this shows that after taking all big issues into consideration, sinkies still think PAP is their best option. You should blame the opposition for only being able to attract duds.

No. 70% mandate is not just a vote of confidence for the PAP. It is a vote of no confidence for the Workers' Party.
 

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People get the government they voted for. If sinkies felt that PAP was treating foreigners too well, they should have made their displeasure known at the polls. They instead gave PAP a record win. So this shows that after taking all big issues into consideration, sinkies still think PAP is their best option. You should blame the opposition for only being able to attract duds.

PM runs the lottery called Elections.
 

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Gan is not just the worst Minister of Health we ever had. Every ministry he passes, he leaves a trail of destruction. As the saying goes, if you aren't doing anything, you can't be doing anything wrong. :smile:

Don't play, play ...Gan is Cambridge scholar! Taxpayers dollars have been feeding him since he became a scholar!

He was awarded the Overseas Merit Scholarship to read Engineering in
Cambridge University and graduated with a Bachelor degree (Honours)
in 1981. Mr Gan subsequently obtained his Master’s Degree in
Engineering from Cambridge University in 1985.
He joined the Administrative Service and worked at the Ministry of Trade
and Industry and Ministry of Home Affairs. In 1989, Mr Gan left the
Administrative Service for the private sector and joined NatSteel Ltd as a
manager for Corporate Planning. He was promoted to Executive Vice
President of NatSteel and CEO of NatSteel Resorts International and
NatSteel Properties in 1996. He became the CEO and President of
NatSteel in 2005
 

scroobal

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Spoke to someone just who had some insights on this issue. Apparently this "doctor" had come to Singapore nearly 7 years but no one knows what she was doing in Singapore. She joined Singapore Cancer Centre in 2013 and one of her professional colleagues in 2014, nearly a year later told SGH HR to check her credentials. SMC then lodged the report to cover their tracks hoping this would be a slam dunk case. Apparently the prosecution witness another doctor from Myanmar who was representing the SMC equivalent in Myanmar and flown here on taxpayers money could not even confirm if the documents were fake. All he could state was that the registration number on the document belongs to another doctor.

Not only SMC stuffed up, the DPP obviously did not do their job and expected the Judge to rubber stamp the issue. Anyway the prosecution has lodged the appeal. So more should be expected.

Can you imagine that it is tougher to get a driver's licence in Singapore than to get the licence to work as a doctor in Singapore.
 

ginfreely

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No wonder I remember seeing a significant number of foreign doctors with temporary registration status in medical council list when I was checking it one or two years ago.

Looks like it is not just lifts, or Indians with fake degrees doing IT. Now a foreign doctor that SMC admitted without verification. Just yesterday a dental clinic with 2 outlets reported to the Police for lodging false claims for reimbursement.

Singapore going to the dogs?

http://theindependent.sg/smc-issuin...ors-with-unaccredited-degree-to-work-here/SMC issuing “temporary” license to foreign doctors with unaccredited degree to work here
By The Independent - June 23, 2016 0 1000
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By: Forever Vagabond

It was reported in ST today that a doctor from Myanmar has been cleared of producing fake medical certificates to SMC (http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/judge-yangon-doctors-papers-may-not-be-fake).
The judge said that just because Dr Hnin Wai Hlaing was not on the Myanmar Medical Council’s (MMC) registration list did not mean her certificates from MMC were fake. The prosecution’s witness, an official from MMC, had earlier conceded in court that it was difficult to determine if Dr Hnin’s registration certificate was false because the MMC has many versions of the registration card.

The judge agreed with the defence that there could have been an administrative lapse on the part of MMC.

Dr Hnin accepted by SMC to work in Singapore
ST reported that Dr Hnin graduated from the University of Medicine in Yangon and worked as a doctor in Myanmar before moving to Singapore.
3To practise medicine in Singapore, all doctors need to be approved by the Singapore Medical Council (SMC), a government statutory board in-charge of medical licensing.

Apparently, SMC did not do any verification with MMC and went ahead to register Dr Hnin. She then went to work at the National Cancer Centre in SGH.

It was SGH which did a verification check with MMC. At the time, MMC replied to SGH that it did not issue a registration certificate to Dr Hnin. Subsequently, SGH terminated her contract and informed SMC in 2014.

SMC then decided to charge her for producing 2 “fake” MMC certificates to SMC for registration but as events turned out, the judge ruled otherwise. The judge felt that reasonable doubt had been raised by the defence as to the accuracy of the MMC’s manual register.

Loophole for doctors from unaccredited medical schools to practise in Singapore?

According to SMC’s own website (http://www.healthprofessionals.gov....eddoctor/international_medical_graduates.html), for doctors with foreign medical degree, only those who graduated from any of the below approved list of medical schools are recognised by SMC:

http://www.healthprofessionals.gov.... Registrable Basic Medical Qualifications.pdf

University of Yangon is not in the list. SMC specifically stated in red on its website:

“The Singapore Medical Council (SMC) would like to highlight that International Medical Graduates who do not hold qualifications which are recognised by the SMC, will not be eligible to apply for medical registration to practise in Singapore. This applies to all applicants.”

Then on the last line comes the caveat. SMC also said:

“Doctors who do not meet the criteria for conditional registration may apply for temporary registration, subject to existing criteria for temporary registration.”

Indeed, a search in SMC’s registry shows that a number of doctors from Myanmar armed only with a medical degree from University of Yangon were given “temporary registration” by SMC. For example, these 2 doctors from Myanmar were given “temporary registration” to work as medical practitioners in Ng Teng Fong General Hospital in Jurong:
4It seems like in order to satisfy the demand for doctors in coping with the explosive growth of Singapore population in recent years, SMC is resorting to issuing “temporary registration” for doctors with unaccredited 3rd world medical degrees so as to circumvent the strict criteria for “conditional registration” and “full Registration” (conditionally registered doctors are supervised – they can apply for full registration after they have fulfilled a specified period of service).

Regardless of the “temporary registration” status, these foreign doctors are now practising medicine here in our public hospitals with unaccredited medical degrees.

So, for the parents who have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to get their children study medicine overseas because they weren’t selected by our local medical schools, it may perhaps be easier and cheaper for them to send their children to those unaccredited 3rd world medical schools like University of Yangon instead.
 

numero uno

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No wonder I remember seeing a significant number of foreign doctors with temporary registration status in medical council list when I was checking it one or two years ago.

hahhaha. alot of lazy stupid patients out there who deserved to be killed by these psuedo docs. use your brain, anything that is foreign esp MBBS from India, myanmar, phillipines, china, bangladesh, mudland, ireland and even lousy uni from UK and australia are suspect. Just google a doctor's name and you get instant results where he graduate from, how good, what post he or she holds, any pretigious papers he published etc. don't just reply on word of mouth or adverts, alot of bullshiit out there. next go to SMC website and find out his credentials and whether specialist or not and how many years he is practising etc. any specialist doc younger than 45 years old is suspect as no experience. any doc older than 75 is no no as probably demented and out of touch. ignore all those professorship titles etc. all bullshit one. last one I googled was a professor in his 40s but no research papers and probably got his professorship the back door. nowadays professors a dime a dozen like datukships. also the number of degrees or titles after their name is a bullshit con job as alot of the degrees are just associations memberships who they pay a yearly fee to display the titles to pass them off as full of shitty letters after their name(to impress gullible pateints just like datukships). that's what a senior doctor friend told me . private hosp have alot of thses bullshiit doctors who claimed all sort of crap from overseas universities. I avoid them because if they are good in the first place why need to go overseas for their mbbs. aloy of them are rejects who buy their way into foreign universities esp australia ,ireland, india . heard alot of them even have crap GCE O and A levels results only fit for arts or ITE course,hahahhahahha
 
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nayr69sg

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Spoke to someone just who had some insights on this issue. Apparently this "doctor" had come to Singapore nearly 7 years but no one knows what she was doing in Singapore. She joined Singapore Cancer Centre in 2013 and one of her professional colleagues in 2014, nearly a year later told SGH HR to check her credentials. SMC then lodged the report to cover their tracks hoping this would be a slam dunk case. Apparently the prosecution witness another doctor from Myanmar who was representing the SMC equivalent in Myanmar and flown here on taxpayers money could not even confirm if the documents were fake. All he could state was that the registration number on the document belongs to another doctor.

Not only SMC stuffed up, the DPP obviously did not do their job and expected the Judge to rubber stamp the issue. Anyway the prosecution has lodged the appeal. So more should be expected.

Can you imagine that it is tougher to get a driver's licence in Singapore than to get the licence to work as a doctor in Singapore.

Haha! I actively promote Singapore as an alternative to Canada for those foreign trained docs (they call them IMGs) who cannot get a residency training position in Canada.

I tell them that as a foreigner Singapore will welcome you with open arms. Singapore values foreigners more than the locals. The fact that you are a foreigner makes it easier to get a job and get promoted.

I will now add scroobal's line " it is tougher to get a driver's licence in Singapore than to get the licence to work as a doctor in Singapore"
 

kukubird59

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Looks like it is not just lifts, or Indians with fake degrees doing IT. Now a foreign doctor that SMC admitted without verification. Just yesterday a dental clinic with 2 outlets reported to the Police for lodging false claims for reimbursement.

Singapore going to the dogs?
hahaha.....another classic example.....this was reported news in MSM and empty vessel made it sound as he discovered that the sun rises regardless of whether the cockerel crowed......
and as usual he will add in his special insider info to spice up the copy and paste.....
also without fail some idiots would jump in and echo like typical herd mentality.....

anyway we are still waiting for Scroobal to tell us who is the DBS CEO hired with false qualifications...this is certainly more interesting than things reported in MSM...
 

ginfreely

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hahhaha. alot of lazy stupid patients out there who deserved to be killed by these psuedo docs. use your brain, anything that is foreign esp MBBS from India, myanmar, phillipines, china, bangladesh, mudland, ireland and even lousy uni from UK and australia are suspect. Just google a doctor's name and you get instant results where he graduate from, how good, what post he or she holds, any pretigious papers he published etc. don't just reply on word of mouth or adverts, alot of bullshiit out there. next go to SMC website and find out his credentials and whether specialist or not and how many years he is practising etc. any specialist doc younger than 45 years old is suspect as no experience. any doc older than 75 is no no as probably demented and out of touch. ignore all those professorship titles etc. all bullshit one. last one I googled was a professor in his 40s but no research papers and probably got his professorship the back door. nowadays professors a dime a dozen like datukships. also the number of degrees or titles after their name is a bullshit con job as alot of the degrees are just associations memberships who they pay a yearly fee to display the titles to pass them off as full of shitty letters after their name(to impress gullible pateints just like datukships). that's what a senior doctor friend told me . private hosp have alot of thses bullshiit doctors who claimed all sort of crap from overseas universities. I avoid them because if they are good in the first place why need to go overseas for their mbbs. aloy of them are rejects who buy their way into foreign universities esp australia ,ireland, india . heard alot of them even have crap GCE O and A levels results only fit for arts or ITE course,hahahhahahha

We pay the govt tax to do their job to govern and make sure the doctors working in Singapore especially public hospitals are properly qualified. Only in third world country with no rules than the patients have to look out for themselves. Stupid govt not doing their job then please take third world salary and not ask for millions that are exceeding even first world salary standards. Don't blame the patients for being lazy stupid etc, only stupid people will push the responsibility to patients to ensure the doctors hired in public and private hospitals in Spore are qualified.
 

ginfreely

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Haha! I actively promote Singapore as an alternative to Canada for those foreign trained docs (they call them IMGs) who cannot get a residency training position in Canada.

I tell them that as a foreigner Singapore will welcome you with open arms. Singapore values foreigners more than the locals. The fact that you are a foreigner makes it easier to get a job and get promoted.

I will now add scroobal's line " it is tougher to get a driver's licence in Singapore than to get the licence to work as a doctor in Singapore"

I met one Austrian tourist couple and the husband is working as family doctor in Austria. They are complaining of paying 50% tax and want to emigrate to Spore to be doctors. Looks like they will definitely easily qualify under temporary registration status lol.
 

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I met one Austrian tourist couple and the husband is working as family doctor in Austria. They are complaining of paying 50% tax and want to emigrate to Spore to be doctors. Looks like they will definitely easily qualify under temporary registration status lol.

LOL! They won't go to Singapore. Especially when they find out how little family doctors earn in Singapore. Not only that. The paymasters are the patient's themselves. Not public health systems you just bill.

Everything you order for the patient in Singapore they will ask "how much?". They will say "wah so expensive", " can I not have that?" "wah this medicine so expensive can I not have that?" "wah you want to increase my diabetes medicine then I have to pay double? dowan lah so expensive".

They will find that trying to do a good job of taking care of patient's in Singapore is like puking blood. Nobody in Singapore wants to pay for healthcare. Not the govt not the patients. So who pays? Doctor pays for patient. Why you think only these doctors from 3rd world countries ever go to Singapore to work?

And those Singapore doctors all stuck in Singapore because it is very difficult to move to another first world country to practice.
 

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Spoke to someone just who had some insights on this issue. Apparently this "doctor" had come to Singapore nearly 7 years but no one knows what she was doing in Singapore. She joined Singapore Cancer Centre in 2013 and one of her professional colleagues in 2014, nearly a year later told SGH HR to check her credentials. SMC then lodged the report to cover their tracks hoping this would be a slam dunk case. Apparently the prosecution witness another doctor from Myanmar who was representing the SMC equivalent in Myanmar and flown here on taxpayers money could not even confirm if the documents were fake. All he could state was that the registration number on the document belongs to another doctor. Not only SMC stuffed up, the DPP obviously did not do their job and expected the Judge to rubber stamp the issue. Anyway the prosecution has lodged the appeal. So more should be expected. Can you imagine that it is tougher to get a driver's licence in Singapore than to get the licence to work as a doctor in Singapore.
Even if she is kicked out of singapore after this trial, she has already made 7 years of 6 figure salary in SGD. SHe can go back to Myanmar and retire. PAP are really assholes.
 

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LOL! They won't go to Singapore. Especially when they find out how little family doctors earn in Singapore. Not only that. The paymasters are the patient's themselves. Not public health systems you just bill. Everything you order for the patient in Singapore they will ask "how much?". They will say "wah so expensive", " can I not have that?" "wah this medicine so expensive can I not have that?" "wah you want to increase my diabetes medicine then I have to pay double? dowan lah so expensive". They will find that trying to do a good job of taking care of patient's in Singapore is like puking blood. Nobody in Singapore wants to pay for healthcare. Not the govt not the patients. So who pays? Doctor pays for patient. Why you think only these doctors from 3rd world countries ever go to Singapore to work? And those Singapore doctors all stuck in Singapore because it is very difficult to move to another first world country to practice.
An Austrian doctor working in singapore is a different breed. Angmor health care professionals are a sought after product. I know an american dentist practicing in HKG, and also US doctors here. There are rich sinkies who refuse to get treated by local drs much less these myanmar FT doctors. They will pay to see these angmor doctors, money is not the objective. The Austrian can ask for whatever fee he wants and his patients will pay it. He will make much more money here then he will in Austria.
 

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We pay the govt tax to do their job to govern and make sure the doctors working in Singapore especially public hospitals are properly qualified. Only in third world country with no rules than the patients have to look out for themselves. Stupid govt not doing their job then please take third world salary and not ask for millions that are exceeding even first world salary standards. Don't blame the patients for being lazy stupid etc, only stupid people will push the responsibility to patients to ensure the doctors hired in public and private hospitals in Spore are qualified.
SMC say ok, add them to the registry. PAP say ok, let these FTs in, more the merrier. MOH say sure, they must be qualified. SGH say no problems, no need verification, will give you a job. MOM say sure, we will give you a work permit whether you have proper qualifications or not. In the end, every single govt agency is conspiring to let in these fake doctors and no one is giving a shit about the peasants. 70% fucktards say its ok, no problem mah.
 

Papsmearer

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Haha! I actively promote Singapore as an alternative to Canada for those foreign trained docs (they call them IMGs) who cannot get a residency training position in Canada. I tell them that as a foreigner Singapore will welcome you with open arms. Singapore values foreigners more than the locals. The fact that you are a foreigner makes it easier to get a job and get promoted. I will now add scroobal's line " it is tougher to get a driver's licence in Singapore than to get the licence to work as a doctor in Singapore"
Why the fuck would you help the PAP and the 70% gong cheebye that voted for them.
 

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An Austrian doctor working in singapore is a different breed. Angmor health care professionals are a sought after product. I know an american dentist practicing in HKG, and also US doctors here. There are rich sinkies who refuse to get treated by local drs much less these myanmar FT doctors. They will pay to see these angmor doctors, money is not the objective. The Austrian can ask for whatever fee he wants and his patients will pay it. He will make much more money here then he will in Austria.

That's what a typical pinkerton Sinkie's view would be. So ask yourselves why there are not more angmor doctors working as family doctors in Singapore.

You don't realize how much family doctors in first world countries earn and what singapore family doctors earn. The gap will astound you. Not to mention the cost of living between Singapore and other cities. It simply is illogical. Also angmor work on appointment system. Each day they know how many patients booked. If full for that day you have to book another day. In sinkie, patients go all over the place., where open go. Ask them to book they say where got time. So sometimes got 10 people show up in morning then they all complain why wait so long.....vomit blood I tell you.

Aiyah Sinkie won't understand cos they dunno any other alternative better ways. That's the way of life in sinkie.
 

nayr69sg

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Why the fuck would you help the PAP and the 70% gong cheebye that voted for them.

why would I want to help the PAP and the sinkies? I only want to help the poor Indian, Pakistani, Iraqi, Egyptian and other international medical graduates in Canada who die die refuse to do any othe work except be doctor. So they can go to Singapore and live their dream of being a doctor in a first world city.
 

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Heard from the same chap that Myanmar is facing a crisis with their medical registration process with the influx of PRC into their country. Apparently some of them have setup medical centres and private hospitals and brought Chinese TCM Physicians and used the country's SMC equivalent to register the TCM Physicians as genuine doctors. The Myanmar authorities are now fighting back with the new govt.
 
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