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Chitchat Ex Sinkie turned Kiwi Screwed by CPF

blueRad

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Perhaps boss Sam want to help out and advise his fellow Kiwi?

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/sporean-denied-pension-in-nz-for-not-using-cpf-first

A 66-year-old Singaporean failed in his bid to get senior citizen pension benefits in New Zealand after a tribunal found he had not first used his Central Provident Fund (CPF) money, as advised.

The Social Security Appeal Authority was not convinced by his concerns of being traced by the Singapore authorities if he applied to withdraw his CPF money, as there could be "significant repercussions" for his two grown-up sons, who were liable for national service (NS).

"(He) was completely unable to explain what action the Singapore authorities might be able to take against him or his sons if they became aware of his residence in New Zealand," said the Social Security Appeal Authority of New Zealand in decision grounds released last month.

Superannuation benefits of about NZ$600 (S$570) are payable fortnightly to New Zealand citizens or permanent residents over 65 who have lived in the country for at least 10 years since they turned 20, five of which must be since they turned 50 years old, according to its website.

But the payout is modified according to conditions such as deductions from income earned elsewhere or abroad.

According to the decision grounds, the Singapore citizen, who is also a New Zealand citizen, was granted the benefit when he turned 65 in November 2014 but he disclosed in his application that he had lived in Singapore for 50 years.

He had worked in various jobs in Singapore before emigrating to New Zealand in 2000 with his wife and two sons, then aged eight and 10.

The Auckland-based man, who was granted citizenship in 2004, was told by New Zealand's Ministry of Social Development to apply to Singapore's CPF Board to withdraw funds from there.

He objected and failed to comply with the July 2015 deadline issued by the New Zealand ministry. A month later, his New Zealand Superannuation was suspended.

He initially claimed it was discriminatory to require people from countries that paid pensions, such as Singapore, to be required to apply for those pensions, which were then deducted from their entitlement to New Zealand Superannuation.

He pursued the case before the two-member appeal authority, arguing among other things that his two sons, now aged 25 and 23 years and having promising careers, could be affected if his whereabouts were known to the Singapore authorities through his CPF application.

The man, who was not named, suggested his sons might be forced to return to Singapore to do national service and be prosecuted as enlistment defaulters. Under Singapore laws, eligible persons who fail to register for national service may be fined up to $10,000 or jailed up to three years or both.

But the tribunal pointed out that the alleged offences under the Singapore Enlistment Act were not recognised as extraditable offences under New Zealand law and prosecution was, therefore, "remote".

"We are not satisfied that there is any real danger or disadvantage to either the appellant or his two sons if the appellant's whereabouts were to become known to the Singapore Government," wrote the Wellington-based appeal authority.

It added that the man, having worked variously in Singapore as an aircraft mechanic, hotel cashier and elsewhere had maintained CPF deposits from which he could apply to withdraw funds, since he was already past 62 years old, the minimum age for CPF withdrawal.
 

tonychat

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When that sinkie moved oversea, why he still has attached to anything sinkie? That is what happen when you still longed for your ass to be screwed by the govt, even you are oversea.. How stupid sinkie losers are.. Go Fuck yourself. You are a disgrace.
 

zeroo

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Sinkie denied pension in NZ for not using CPF first

A 66-year-old Singaporean failed in his bid to get senior citizen pension benefits in New Zealand after a tribunal found he had not first used his Central Provident Fund (CPF) money, as advised.

The Social Security Appeal Authority was not convinced by his concerns of being traced by the Singapore authorities if he applied to withdraw his CPF money, as there could be "significant repercussions" for his two grown-up sons, who were liable for national service (NS).

"(He) was completely unable to explain what action the Singapore authorities might be able to take against him or his sons if they became aware of his residence in New Zealand," said the Social Security Appeal Authority of New Zealand in decision grounds released last month.



Superannuation benefits of about NZ$600 (S$570) are payable fortnightly to New Zealand citizens or permanent residents over 65 who have lived in the country for at least 10 years since they turned 20, five of which must be since they turned 50 years old, according to its website.

But the payout is modified according to conditions such as deductions from income earned elsewhere or abroad.

According to the decision grounds, the Singapore citizen, who is also a New Zealand citizen, was granted the benefit when he turned 65 in November 2014 but he disclosed in his application that he had lived in Singapore for 50 years.

He had worked in various jobs in Singapore before emigrating to New Zealand in 2000 with his wife and two sons, then aged eight and 10.

The Auckland-based man, who was granted citizenship in 2004, was told by New Zealand's Ministry of Social Development to apply to Singapore's CPF Board to withdraw funds from there.

He objected and failed to comply with the July 2015 deadline issued by the New Zealand ministry. A month later, his New Zealand Superannuation was suspended.

He initially claimed it was discriminatory to require people from countries that paid pensions, such as Singapore, to be required to apply for those pensions, which were then deducted from their entitlement to New Zealand Superannuation.

He pursued the case before the two-member appeal authority, arguing among other things that his two sons, now aged 25 and 23 years and having promising careers, could be affected if his whereabouts were known to the Singapore authorities through his CPF application.

The man, who was not named, suggested his sons might be forced to return to Singapore to do national service and be prosecuted as enlistment defaulters. Under Singapore laws, eligible persons who fail to register for national service may be fined up to $10,000 or jailed up to three years or both.

But the tribunal pointed out that the alleged offences under the Singapore Enlistment Act were not recognised as extraditable offences under New Zealand law and prosecution was, therefore, "remote".

"We are not satisfied that there is any real danger or disadvantage to either the appellant or his two sons if the appellant's whereabouts were to become known to the Singapore Government," wrote the Wellington-based appeal authority.

It added that the man, having worked variously in Singapore as an aircraft mechanic, hotel cashier and elsewhere had maintained CPF deposits from which he could apply to withdraw funds, since he was already past 62 years old, the minimum age for CPF withdrawal.
 

zeroo

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Re: Sinkie denied pension in NZ for not using CPF first

He is just a typical sinkie who love to complain and wants the law to adjust just to suit his own benefit
 

myfoot123

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When that sinkie moved oversea, why he still has attached to anything sinkie? That is what happen when you still longed for your ass to be screwed by the govt, even you are oversea.. How stupid sinkie losers are.. Go Fuck yourself. You are a disgrace.

He has 70% sinkies mentality of being attached to something and didn't want to let go.
 

lifeafter41

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Perhaps boss Sam want to help out and advise his fellow Kiwi?

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/sporean-denied-pension-in-nz-for-not-using-cpf-first

A 66-year-old Singaporean failed in his bid to get senior citizen pension benefits in New Zealand after a tribunal found he had not first used his Central Provident Fund (CPF) money, as advised.

The Social Security Appeal Authority was not convinced by his concerns of being traced by the Singapore authorities if he applied to withdraw his CPF money, as there could be "significant repercussions" for his two grown-up sons, who were liable for national service (NS).

"(He) was completely unable to explain what action the Singapore authorities might be able to take against him or his sons if they became aware of his residence in New Zealand," said the Social Security Appeal Authority of New Zealand in decision grounds released last month.

Superannuation benefits of about NZ$600 (S$570) are payable fortnightly to New Zealand citizens or permanent residents over 65 who have lived in the country for at least 10 years since they turned 20, five of which must be since they turned 50 years old, according to its website.

But the payout is modified according to conditions such as deductions from income earned elsewhere or abroad.

According to the decision grounds, the Singapore citizen, who is also a New Zealand citizen, was granted the benefit when he turned 65 in November 2014 but he disclosed in his application that he had lived in Singapore for 50 years.

He had worked in various jobs in Singapore before emigrating to New Zealand in 2000 with his wife and two sons, then aged eight and 10.

The Auckland-based man, who was granted citizenship in 2004, was told by New Zealand's Ministry of Social Development to apply to Singapore's CPF Board to withdraw funds from there.

He objected and failed to comply with the July 2015 deadline issued by the New Zealand ministry. A month later, his New Zealand Superannuation was suspended.

He initially claimed it was discriminatory to require people from countries that paid pensions, such as Singapore, to be required to apply for those pensions, which were then deducted from their entitlement to New Zealand Superannuation.

He pursued the case before the two-member appeal authority, arguing among other things that his two sons, now aged 25 and 23 years and having promising careers, could be affected if his whereabouts were known to the Singapore authorities through his CPF application.

The man, who was not named, suggested his sons might be forced to return to Singapore to do national service and be prosecuted as enlistment defaulters. Under Singapore laws, eligible persons who fail to register for national service may be fined up to $10,000 or jailed up to three years or both.

But the tribunal pointed out that the alleged offences under the Singapore Enlistment Act were not recognised as extraditable offences under New Zealand law and prosecution was, therefore, "remote".

"We are not satisfied that there is any real danger or disadvantage to either the appellant or his two sons if the appellant's whereabouts were to become known to the Singapore Government," wrote the Wellington-based appeal authority.

It added that the man, having worked variously in Singapore as an aircraft mechanic, hotel cashier and elsewhere had maintained CPF deposits from which he could apply to withdraw funds, since he was already past 62 years old, the minimum age for CPF withdrawal.

It seems he wants the best of both world. Keep the money in cpf and earn the interest. And collect the pension from the nz government.

Having said that, if a person is 54 years old and decide to migrate to nz. By staying on 10years over there and at age 65, will he be eligible to the nz pension too?

And apparently he is holding a dual citizenship too.......
 

frenchbriefs

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this is why u should achieve financial independence and increase ur asset base as quickly as possible and become a hyper capitalist.invest in stocks and bonds,build a capital base,expand into real estate,build a multi million real estate portfolio,own at least one property in SG,AU,Lon,US and Cad,then use the passive income and expand into business and build a conglomerate.

theres nothing worse then being completely dependent on others or reliant on others.ur entire life and fate hang in the balance waiting for someone to hand u that tiny little check or handout so u can survive.u are completely at the mercy of others.just look at the two pathetic countries Singapore and NZ arguing and bickering about giving some poor old man a $600 check so he can survive.......when i am rich,i have no qualms about giving away millions to help others,but if i am poor,i cant even expect a single dollar of pity or sympathy from this world.
 

The_Hypocrite

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It seems he wants the best of both world. Keep the money in cpf and earn the interest. And collect the pension from the nz government.

Having said that, if a person is 54 years old and decide to migrate to nz. By staying on 10years over there and at age 65, will he be eligible to the nz pension too?

And apparently he is holding a dual citizenship too.......

If he pay taxes to NZ..he has everyright to claim NZ benefits.
 

Semaj2357

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If he pay taxes to NZ..he has everyright to claim NZ benefits.
agreed absolutely, as he's contributed his fair share towards this roi request.
but both his sons must be considered defaulters, assuming that they also have dual citizenship just like him, else they would be nz'ders for the best outcome.
He pursued the case before the two-member appeal authority, arguing among other things that his two sons, now aged 25 and 23 years and having promising careers, could be affected if his whereabouts were known to the Singapore authorities through his CPF application.
The man, who was not named, suggested his sons might be forced to return to Singapore to do national service and be prosecuted as enlistment defaulters. Under Singapore laws, eligible persons who fail to register for national service may be fined up to $10,000 or jailed up to three years or both.
 

scroobal

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This guy either must have poor IQ or genuinely thought that Kiwis are generally dumb. Both the Australian and NZ govt requires you to disclose your overseas pension if any as well as any superannuation schemes. It was not targeted at Singaporeans but was introduced decades ago to stop Brits claiming both sets of pension. One ex_Malaysian who retired from the Malaysian AirForce and drawing pension had his tax re-assessed for over 14 years - from the year the moved to OZ when the authorities found out.

Truly a stupid fellow. Both sons qualify to be exempted from NS as they left well before the qualifying period and he did nothing.
 

scroobal

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You don't have to pay a single cent in taxes to qualify pension payment if you re citizen or PR. The same for many 1st World except the US.

Even if you paid taxes for 80 years you do not automatically qualify for state pension if you do not meet the threshold.

If he pay taxes to NZ..he has everyright to claim NZ benefits.
 

scroobal

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The idiot even summoned the PM as a defendant.

http://www.australasianlawyer.com.a...ry-of-social-development-210726.aspxSingapore man sues Ministry of Social Development
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by Miklos Bolza | 20 Jan 2016
A New Zealand-based Singaporean, Tan Kong Hwee, has taken the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) to court for decreasing his local pension benefits.

He claimed this action reduced the amount he received from his Central Provident Fund (CPF) deposits in Singapore. The CPF is the Singaporean equivalent of superannuation, where employers put a certain amount towards an employee’s retirement with each monthly paycheque.

Tan also sought to bring in New Zealand's Prime Minister John Key as a defendant, alleging that the PM had failed in his duty to correct the injustices given.

A judicial tribunal based in Wellington has ordered that the case be sent for mediation, saying that there was a “clear interest” for both parties to settle informally before going to tribunal.

In October, Tan complained about reductions to his retirement benefits, claiming he was discriminated against as a Singaporean. He felt aggrieved that expats who left Singapore could withdraw their CPF savings while Singapore citizens such as himself could not.

He used PM Key, who used to work in Singapore as head of Merrill Lynch’s Asian foreign exchange, as an example. Prior to moving from Singapore to London, Key was able to withdraw his CPF savings.

In New Zealand, Tan received payouts according to the Superannuation and Retirement Income Act 2001.

After hearing the case, a three-member human rights review tribunal stated that Tan had no legal basis to bring in PM Key as a defendant and ordered that Key’s name be removed. The chief executive officer of the MSD has been left as the sole defendant.

The case has now been sent to the New Zealand Human Rights Commission for mediation. Progress reports are now required every four months with the first due in April.

In previous cases like this, the MSD has always denied any unlawful discrimination, saying complaints have been about the nature of pensions and not about age, sex, religion, etc.

“MSD had taken the same stance towards all pensions earned overseas,” the commission said in its response to the tribunal.
 

Leongsam

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“MSD had taken the same stance towards all pensions earned overseas,” the commission said in its response to the tribunal.

I'm in the loop regarding these current legal tussles and I'm surprised that none of the articles I've seen so far actually mentions the most salient point and that is that CPF is not a pension. It's your own money saved up over the years and paid back when you reach retirement age.

NZ now has a similar scheme called kiwisaver but it's voluntary.

However payouts from kiwisaver are not deducted from kiwi super so why should CPF payouts be deducted?

That is the crux of this whole issue regarding CPF.
 

scroobal

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The main difference is that CPF is a lumpsum withdrawal as opposed to monthly pension. Both are classified as superannuation. This stupid clown instead of getting a qualified legal eagle represented himself at every level of this process. I think he might have jeopardised the cases of others in a similar position.

Those who want to pull their CPF into countries where they have migrated without paying taxes have generally sought advice from the tax authorities and have arranged transfer to an equivalent fund and then withdrawn it at their own beck and call.

Capital transfers are usually allowed within the first year of migrating.

Not sure what you have heard from ex and existing countrymen that have move over.

I'm in the loop regarding these current legal tussles and I'm surprised that none of the articles I've seen so far actually mentions the most salient point and that is that CPF is not a pension. It's your own money saved up over the years and paid back when you reach retirement age.

NZ now has a similar scheme called kiwisaver but it's voluntary.

However payouts from kiwisaver are not deducted from kiwi super so why should CPF payouts be deducted?

That is the crux of this whole issue regarding CPF.
 

kiwibird7

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Those ex SINKIES who renounced their SG citizenship and withdrew their CPF didn't have any problems with their NZ SUPER. It is those who cannot let go that got trapped by the minimum sum scheme, medi life etc that really got screwed like this chap in the news.
He not only retained dual citizenship if SG does not permit, nit sure if he falsely declared in his SG passport application for renewal. Both of his sons are NS absconders who cannot go back to SG, yet he still wants to cling on to his SG citizenship!
What a typical SINKIE CLOWN!
 

Brightkid

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This guy is a moron comparing himself with PM Key. He still is SG citizen while Key was an expat, ie a foreigner. As long as an expat is not coming back to work in SG, they can withdraw their cpf. Is thus guy claiming SG gov discriminate against him too?

Now that he got the attention of SG authorities, that he has dual citizenship ships and trying to gain on both sides, as well his 2 sons absconding from serving their obligations (am sure Mindef already knew years ago when they failed to report for registration), just curious, what can SG authorities do to him? Cancel his SG citizenship? Extradite him back to SG ?
 

Papsmearer

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This guy either must have poor IQ or genuinely thought that Kiwis are generally dumb. Both the Australian and NZ govt requires you to disclose your overseas pension if any as well as any superannuation schemes. It was not targeted at Singaporeans but was introduced decades ago to stop Brits claiming both sets of pension. One ex_Malaysian who retired from the Malaysian AirForce and drawing pension had his tax re-assessed for over 14 years - from the year the moved to OZ when the authorities found out.

Truly a stupid fellow. Both sons qualify to be exempted from NS as they left well before the qualifying period and he did nothing.

He is one of those typical kiasu sinkies. I don't understand assholes like this. If I was given a NZ citizen, I would happily renounce my own sinkie citizenship and take my money out. Why would I want to enrich the PAP by letting them use my money at a discount. maybe the NZ govt taxes overseas pensions? So, if he withdraws one lump sum, he might face a high tax bill? I don't know, maybe Sam can shed some light. In any case, pension income earned in Singapore under the CPF might be taxable under the NZ worldwide income tax laws. So, if he does not pay taxes on income earned in singapore, he is potentially facing an audit. He should have shut up and quietly lose the $1200 monthly.
 

scroobal

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Singapore Govt does not cancel your citizenship unless you are involved in national security issues. They won't do anything. Though it is discouraged it is not offence to hold a foreign citizenship if you are SG Citizen.

His sons however can never enter Singapore unless they want to surrender, take their medicine, plus serve NS. Another Singaporean who migrated without due consideration for his sons.



This guy is a moron comparing himself with PM Key. He still is SG citizen while Key was an expat, ie a foreigner. As long as an expat is not coming back to work in SG, they can withdraw their cpf. Is thus guy claiming SG gov discriminate against him too?

Now that he got the attention of SG authorities, that he has dual citizenship ships and trying to gain on both sides, as well his 2 sons absconding from serving their obligations (am sure Mindef already knew years ago when they failed to report for registration), just curious, what can SG authorities do to him? Cancel his SG citizenship? Extradite him back to SG ?
 
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