Chitchat PAP allows Alice to be thrown under the bus

scroobal · Jun 5, 2016

This guy is as dishonest as they come. The name lists are not in the public domain. If it was, people will not speculating to this extent. He needs to "come clean" as he has the access and can stop the speculation by confirming the following
- has this woman or her husband ever been or is in grassroots of the People Association
- is she or her husband a PAP member, present or past

Pointless making high and fighting moralising Facebook entries that end up creating more question than answers. He can do all Singaporeans a favour by answering these questions without being ambiguous. People are curious and seeking answers because the she has a number of photos with PAP MPs. Her behaviour also suggest a manner of conduct of grassroots volunteers. People are also disappointed with PA and PAP MPs over Yang Yin.

https://www.facebook.com/muhammad.faishal.ibrahim1/posts/596250847201378
Assoc Prof Muhammad Faishal Ibrahim
22 hrs ·
I saw the video of a lady shouting at an individual due to her unhappiness with a cleaner. It has been circulating on the Internet. She used words that were totally inappropriate. Her behaviour is wrong. Regardless of the situation, one should not shout at and insult others.
There are also sites that suggest she's a grassroots leader based on a few photographs they pulled off Facebook. At least one mentioned that she is a 'grassroots leader at Nee Soon Central Zone 1 RC'.
No one has verified that the lady in the video is the same as the person on the photos.
What's a fact however, is that the lady in the photograph is not a member of Nee Soon Central Zone 1 RC or a grassroots leader in Nee Soon Central. She's a Nee Soon resident who has taken part in events organised for her community.
Facts should be verified before hand. To make a claim without confirming its accuracy is inappropriate.

dr.wailing · Jun 5, 2016

Re: PAP MP Faishal Ibrahim offended and becomes defensive

Who the fcuk is this Faishal Ibrahim?

soikee · Jun 5, 2016

Re: PAP MP Faishal Ibrahim offended and becomes defensive

Standard MF PAP procedure ... deny first and then see what develops next.

gingerlyn · Jun 5, 2016

Alice Fong is as despicable and shameless as Vivian Balakrishnan

Dear brothers and sisters,

if you think that Alice Fong is despicable and shameless, you are wrong. This is because Vivian Balakrishnan is worst!

Alice Fong Quote:
In short, the woman eventually implied that “old and disabled people should not be given employment nor forgiven for their mistakes. And that they should just be beggars and wait for the government to feed them.”

Vivian Balakrishnan
"How much do you want? Do you want three meals in a hawker centre, food court or restaurant?" - Dr Vivian Balakrishnan

virus · Jun 5, 2016

Re: Alice Fong is as despicable and shameless as Vivian Balakrishnan

how about ex MP cynthia phua

who are you

why are you not working!!

http://mrwangsaysso.blogspot.sg/2011/05/paps-cynthia-phua-and-her-most-famous.html

eatshitndie · Jun 5, 2016

Re: Alice Fong is as despicable and shameless as Vivian Balakrishnan

root cause: if spoilt brat sinkies were to all return their trays this would not have happened. sinkies expect their trays, bowls, plates and dirty table manners to be cleared by "invisible" cleaners doing a lowly and thankless job, yet when these lowly paid workers clear their mess, they kpkb with extremely high visibility whether their food is half-eaten or half-abandoned. how is the cleaner going to know? the best is for every sinkie to clear their own mess in order to avoid confusion and uncertainty. it's a scientific answer to a socially sick question.

virus · Jun 5, 2016

Re: Alice Fong is as despicable and shameless as Vivian Balakrishnan

the solution is to pay cleaners about $8K a month, then they will have dignity

and like the invisible hands of GST and CPF, the 70% dumb sinkies would be more then happy to have shafted arse

Bigfuck · Jun 6, 2016

Re: PAP MP Faishal Ibrahim offended and becomes defensive

Facts should be verified beforehand. RC, PA or PAP do not help the people but it is the people who help themselves. It is what the people perceive to benefit that counts as help. Twiddling fingers and claiming you have helped others without the recipients acknowledging is deceitful. In fact RC and PA acts of claimed help maybe damaging and helpful. You can say you have helped others when people feel otherwise. In fact, you may have been harming others but just singing yourself praises of having helped others, which could not be further from the truth.

What is being confirmed by someone's statement is murderers, rapists, child molesters, burglars, con-artists or thugs can mingle in the midst of the RC and grassroots when they walk around. RC and grassroots take no responsibility of those who claim to volunteer. Since this statement is how someone is absolving all responsibility of the RC and grassroots who claim to help, I think we need to look at the definition of help and to help who. Many people do not feel helped.

For those who have been harrassed by bouncer like thugs or minders during RC and MP visits, you now may figure out why. Anyone or thing can tag along this cluster or people. If you get robbed or beaten up by this cluster, do not be surprised that the RC and grassroots claim it is not our team. For your safety, do not invite them. If they harrass you, do what you need what to do to help your own poor self.

zhihau · Jun 6, 2016

Re: PAP MP Faishal Ibrahim offended and becomes defensive

Oops... No more free food from RC for this Alice Fong and Hubby...

scroobal · Jun 6, 2016

Re: PAP MP Faishal Ibrahim offended and becomes defensive

Just an ordinary MP who is now a Parliamentary secretary. He was first in GCT's Marine Parade team and then moved to Nee Soon GRC and took over Ong Ah Heng's ward. He was too quick off the mark. His fellow GRC MP Lee Bee Wah has thanked Alice and family for their support as volunteers in Facebook.

As an MP and parliamentary sec which is a paid political appointment, he should have understood the anger and at least state that he would look into it. Instead he was shooting down the people who were eager to know if this women was using the PAP for her own ends

NaturalAristocratNoHeart said:
Who the fcuk is this Faishal Ibrahim?

ckmpd · Jun 6, 2016

Re: PAP MP Faishal Ibrahim offended and becomes defensive

scroobal said:
Just an ordinary MP who is now a Parliamentary secretary. He was first in GCT's Marine Parade team and then moved to Nee Soon GRC and took over Ong Ah Heng's ward. He was too quick off the mark. His fellow GRC MP Lee Bee Wah has thanked Alice and family for their support as volunteers in Facebook.

As an MP and parliamentary sec which is a paid political appointment, he should have understood the anger and at least state that he would look into it. Instead he was shooting down the people who were eager to know if this women was using the PAP for her own ends

PAP has failed Singaporeans miserably with their lack of due diligence

scroobal · Jun 6, 2016

PAP & the Deaf and Mute Cleaner and value systems

I am sure some of you would have seen the interview that Tharman gave at St Gallen to Stephen Sacker and the questions he fielded from the audience. I have included the link and grateful if someone can embed it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpwPciW74b8

Old Man and PAP leaders tend to be more frank and open in overseas interviews than they do with the local press. Not to suggest that the local press will report anything accurately.

In Tharman's interview the constant message was personal accountability required of Singaporeans to look after themselves. Though he held himself very well the personal accountability factor was repeated many times. He only faltered when asked if the Lee dynasty will continue - note the extended pause and his facial expression.

The deaf and mute cleaner whose photos appears in the ST looked like a nice and well groomed individual. Not the usual elderly cleaners that we of the to see. Well he took personal responsibility to fend for himself despite his condition.

Look at PAP's conduct in this . MP Faishal focused on criticising netizens for making wild accusations. His fellow GRC MP Lee Bee who thanked the Alice Fong and family in Facebook and seen at least twice with Alice and her husband has kept silent.

I don't see PAP or the Brothel press doing anything to find out the truth or even attempting to interview the cleaner and get his of story and the emotions he faced.

Now that Mr deaf and mute cleaner has taken personal accountability for his livelihood could Tharman step forward and recognise such people. So far like the Brompton Bike Case, its the Netizens like Euphemia Lee, Lynette Ong and a range of real estate agents and socio-political online sites that are providing the details. Naturally there will be misinformation but the brothel press has always failed when its involves PAP.

ckmpd · Jun 6, 2016

Re: PAP & the Deaf and Mute Cleaner and value systems

scroobal said:
I am sure some of you would have seen the interview that Tharman gave at St Gallen to Stephen Sacker and the questions he fielded from the audience. I have included the link and grateful if someone can embed it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpwPciW74b8

Old Man and PAP leaders tend to be more frank and open in overseas interviews than they do with the local press. Not to suggest that the local press will report anything accurately.

In Tharman's interview the constant message was personal accountability required of Singaporeans to look after themselves. Though he held himself very well the personal accountability factor was repeated many times. He only faltered when asked if the Lee dynasty will continue - note the extended pause and his facial expression.

The deaf and mute cleaner whose photos appears in the ST looked like a nice and well groomed individual. Not the usual elderly cleaners that we of the to see. Well he took personal responsibility to fend for himself despite his condition.

Look at PAP's conduct in this . MP Faishal focused on criticising netizens for making wild accusations. His fellow GRC MP Lee Bee who thanked the Alice Fong and family in Facebook and seen at least twice with Alice and her husband has kept silent.

I don't see PAP or the Brothel press doing anything to find out the truth or even attempting to interview the cleaner and get his of story and the emotions he faced.

Now that Mr deaf and mute cleaner has taken personal accountability for his livelihood could Tharman step forward and recognise such people. So far like the Brompton Bike Case, its the Netizens like Euphemia Lee, Lynette Ong and a range of real estate agents and socio-political online sites that are providing the details. Naturally there will be misinformation but the brothel press has always failed when its involves PAP.

Why the eerie silence from William Wan and pap regarding the behaviour of Alice?

zhihau · Jun 6, 2016

Re: PAP MP Faishal Ibrahim offended and becomes defensive

ckmpd said:
PAP has failed Singaporeans miserably with their lack of due diligence

They used to be proactive, now they're reactive.

Narong Wongwan · Jun 6, 2016

Re: PAP MP Faishal Ibrahim offended and becomes defensive

zhihau said:
They used to be proactive, now they're reactive.

Now their reaction only when they can't hide or act blur.

Thick Face Black Heart · Jun 6, 2016

Re: PAP MP Faishal Ibrahim offended and becomes defensive

zhihau said:
Oops... No more free food from RC for this Alice Fong and Hubby...

Awww so sad! What will pigs eat now? Can someone have some compassion here, please?

Thick Face Black Heart · Jun 6, 2016

Re: PAP MP Faishal Ibrahim offended and becomes defensive

scroobal said:
- has this woman or her husband ever been or is in grassroots of the People Association
- is she or her husband a PAP member, present or past

Yes, they only claim that she is not a grassroots member presently, but does not mention participation in the past. What a convenient way to omit pertinent info.

These questions become all the more important because of the real estate agents' revelations that she and husband are leeches.

MP Muhd Faishal has shown he does not place the sentiment of the people first.

dr.wailing · Jun 6, 2016

Re: PAP & the Deaf and Mute Cleaner and value systems

scroobal said:
In Tharman's interview the constant message was personal accountability required of Singaporeans to look after themselves.

On the issue of personal responsiblity the interviewer should've brought up the fact that SMRT Desmond Quack didn't take personal responsiblity for the failures of his company and resign immediately.

stuffycunt · Jun 6, 2016

Re: PAP & the Deaf and Mute Cleaner and value systems

lai suak suak ki mai kong liao, limbu chiar all the deaf and mute people chiak cake song boh?

melzp · Jun 6, 2016

Re: PAP & the Deaf and Mute Cleaner and value systems

Sadly, this is an unforgiving place that the authorities wanting it to
be of meritocracy, in value.

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