The only angmo tanks they are potentially fighting are Polish ones in Malaysia and Russian ones in Vietnam. That angmo standard is tak pakay compared to US, UK, and German tanks.
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Serious Thailand buys China Main Battle Tank
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The only angmo tanks they are potentially fighting are Polish ones in Malaysia and Russian ones in Vietnam. That angmo standard is tak pakay compared to US, UK, and German tanks.
no MBT, no water release???
I heard Chinese MBT ZTZ-99 is just over $2.5 million USD. that's a good bargain for a new tank. Or just ask MINDEF, maybe they can buy the used KP for $500,000 each. We don't need it anymore.
I oso got small but very powerful laser pointer........ yet to use on enemy motorist...........
Ah Jib was D Minister then,,,,, so money in his pers account more important that quality of tank or capability
There was much internal discussion in the Kor Armor di raja Malaysia (malaysian armour corp), and much disagreement over the purchase of a modified and updated T-72. In the end, I believe if I recall from the news at that time, was that the malaysians offered an offset commodities payment for the PT-91. I believe that the Poles took partial payment in Palm Oil. And the price was cheap too. The Poles were desperate for an overseas sales, plus the usual bribe money floating around. Also don't forget that at that time, the biggest armour threat to Malaysia was the AMX-13 from singapore. The KPs were in Taiwan and officially did not exist, even though at least one battalion was stationed in storage in SIngapore. As far as the malaysians were concerned the PT-91 will beat up the AMX-13 every time. Of course, once the PT-91 became operational in Malaysia in 2007, the SAF immediately started to retire the AMX-13. And replaced it with the Leo 2.
All modern tanks have this thing called Armour. So its not easy for anything to kill them.
Can buy more tanks and change more often...no need buy expensive ang mor tanks and keep for long time..
The friendship price was $69k a piece if I remember correctly. As for the cracks I think you are referring to the stingray light tank.
Die SG Leopard tank got vulnerabilities!
It's telling everyone where to shoot!
The turrent will be blown apart!
I don't really consider that as a shot trap because under that, you still have the original armour
Makes me wonder why Bionix even was ever built?? To further the interest of a select group of turkeys or vipers?
Wud you know how much STK charged Mindef for 1 Bionix???
............ you mean Al2O3 or Al ??? armour..........
my got Apache or not??
Way too much. In 1997, they paid over $8 million for one of the original Bionix 1. They could have bought a M2 Bradley for around $5 million. And the Bradley is combat proven. Of course the much improve Bionix 2 will be the region of over $10 million each. SAF is the cash cow for ST.
Bionix was build to be a showcase project for some unproven organizations in the MINDEF establishment. Ostensibly, the main objective was to replace the M113, although I have yet to hear anyone complain about them. and a secondary objective was to develop a light tank version to replace the AMX-13. I have to admit there was a need of a modern IFV at that time. but there were already many off the shelf IFVs that for some reason or other, they decided not to buy. The IDF themselves had no problem with the M113 and used the Zelda upgraded version.
The Bionix is a case of too many cooks spoiling the broth. For some fucked reason, and to keep all the scholars happy in chiak liao bee organizations, ST not only had to work with HQ Armour, but also had to include DMO, and DSTA in it. For fuck, I don't know. HQ Amour and ST sit down is all that is needed to lay out the specs for the new IFV. All these other orgs join in is like some fuckfest. But at that time, DMO and DSTA were relatively new, and these 2 unnecessary orgs. were given this project to work on too. In fact, the specs should have been solely drawn up by SAF and then tendered to all the armour manufacturers of the world. They can then modify their own designs to compete in it. But it was all given only to ST on the piss poor excuse that all the off the shelf equipment was not suited to the SAF requirements. Lancheow lah. In the end, the Bionix was very close to IFV like the M2 Bradley in terms of power to weight, armour protection, mobility, engine power, etc. and only different in overall length and width. And not by that much either.
In the end, too many cooks in the kitchen, and end up with the shit we have. Somewhere along the way, the snake oil salesman Diesenroth came into town and sold them the MEXAS armour package for the Bionix 2. The design is a failure as far as I can see. They needed as many chassis as possible to defray the R & D costs. But the failure to turn it into a light tank deprived them of at least 300-400 orders. They were going to put an Oto Melara 120mm low recoil turret on the Bionix, but the suspension cannot take the weight and recoil. there is a reason why experienced builders like United defense build their M2 and M3 on a wider and longer chassis, and so they can be upgraded and upgunned.
In my opinion, u don't need DSTA at all. Armour and the Air Force can pick their own equipment without the help of these desk nerds. its an insult when you have DSTA putting in their 2 cents and Armour has to lan lan follow them.
Neither does SIngapore
No, and no attack helos either. they must not consider our armour force a threat. LOL
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