• IP addresses are NOT logged in this forum so there's no point asking. Please note that this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics & absolute nut jobs with a smattering of geniuses, Chinese chauvinists, Moderate Muslims and last but not least a couple of "know-it-alls" constantly sprouting their dubious wisdom. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense PLEASE LEAVE NOW! Sammyboy Admin and Staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here.

    The OTHER forum is HERE so please stop asking.

Why Full-Time MPs are a short-sighted option for the Opposition

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
I am not going into the reasons why the Westminster developed as it is and neither am I am going into the reason why the remuneration is called an allowance and not a salary. I leave forumers do their own research.

There are already 5 full=time PAP MPs. This traits only began after 2011 and I suspect that it was after supporters of Sylvia Lim spoke about her going full-time.

Of any political parties, the PAP is the only party that can bring in a wide range of professionals, business leaders, social advocates, artistes and essentially cover the spectrum of society and make them full-time MPs. They either made their fortune or are rich from family wealth or they will be given part-time positions such as directors of GLCs etc.

A PAP MP ability to retain his seat over multiple elections is many times more than an opposition MP as the PAP controls nearly everything. We already struggle to attract good quality opposition candidates in view of the uneven playing field. Our pool will be much much smaller if MP are to be full time. We will end up with retirees and those not capable of being employed and poor quality candidates.

There is no way to compete on this front.

I even doubt that Paul Thambyah will ever forgo his professorial tenure in NUS to go full-time.

The PAP purposely pushed Town Council Management to the MPs to burden and cripple the opposition knowing their the lack of resources and expertise. No other country has this rubbish as a core function of being a people's representative in Parliament. So instead of focusing on issue of national and local importance , they are occupied with tenders, procurement, estate inspections and financial management. Look at the continuous assault on the Workers Party on Town Council Management.

Chee has always been poor on strategy and tactics. Chee may also have realised that it may be his last opportunity, further bolstered by the candidate being a minority and thus went down this path.

An MP is the peoples' representative to Parliament. He is not voted in to manage the drains and the lifts of the estate. Parliament does not sit every day and it is not day job activity for MPs. We need the best minds in parliament and not town council managers. We would be short-sighted if we pushed this agenda.

We would have played into the hands of the PAP if they decide go it full-time. What if they reduce the MPs allowance to $3,000 a month as a tactical measure. It will be like Lee LiLian situation who knew that for her career and the uncertainty of politics it would not be a wise move. No gainfully employed individual with good qualification will stand for the opposition if he or she is expected to give up their day job.
 

The_Hypocrite

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
How does a part time MP run a town council n still have a full time job? Not enough hrs per day unless the town council is doing the job for the mp? Has old fart run the town council?
 

Cosmos10

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
Dear SBF brothers, please share the following video with your friends,
who are uncles and aunties in Bukit Batok. Thanks
:smile:


[video=youtube;aW5YrcSO-Ms]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW5YrcSO-Ms[/video]​
 

mojito

Alfrescian
Loyal
Well i disagree it was a bad idea. The rhetoric of part time vs full time still rings true and demonstrates dedication to serve the community which moves the needle slightly in his favour.

Here on he can point out that an opposition MP for SMC has to be more or less full time, because unlike the PAP MPs they dun have grassrooters to do the dirty work for them. Grassrooters are in turn paid in kind from state coffers which makes the claims of PA being non partisan complete BS. Now obviously explaining all that in an election rally requires alot of finnese, much more than teaching calculus to a dumb kid. Some things are better left unexplained so best to keep things simple and leave it as that.
 

Getloud

Alfrescian
Loyal
Majority of the Singaporean are still too short sighted or even blind, to understand anything more than that.
 

winnipegjets

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
Instead of playing by the PAP's rules, CSJ is turning the tables on them.

MPs should be a full-time job because they represented the people to hold the government accountable. Parliament should sit for 9 months of the year. If Parliament is not sitting for the most part of the year, how is the government accountable?

Town Councils should be abolished and its functions return to the PAP. The years of unnecessary spending on this political agenda should end and the billion saved can be channeled to help the people.

CSJ got to hammer the PAP ...show how inept the government is and how unnecessary spending is hidden from the people. It is time CSJ speak at the level of the average sinkee. The narrative needs to be simple - government create town councils for other purpose to help the PAP, not for the people. Proof is the bloated spending on estate management and maintenance since the town council came into being.
 

kryonlight

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
Majority of the Singaporean are still too short sighted or even blind, to understand anything more than that.

And that's why all these PAP vs Opposition debates in SBF are nothing more than wastes of saliva. Anyone who doesn't see that the problem with sinkie politics lies with daft sinkies themselves and not opposition parties must be blind in both eyes.
 

shittypore

Alfrescian
Loyal
17k to be a yes man in Parliament, other times cls eyes and sleep. Lucky if you get invited by PAP to stand for Erection.
 

kukubird59

Alfrescian
Loyal
There are already 5 full=time PAP MPs. This traits only began after 2011 and I suspect that it was after supporters of Sylvia Lim spoke about her going full-time.

hahaha.....don't just say 5.....pse tell us who are the 5 full time PAP MP..
 

virus

Alfrescian
Loyal
full time or part time... most imprt how can he address their problem.... now is not the time n amos yee is right. no need for big fluffy idea, b down to the ground, do not get distracted by character assassination side tracking.

talk issues at heart... whom he has meant and voter told him of their problem and how he intend to help them? set the road map. unemployment n homelessness are taboo issue for FAP, focus on them. on high medical cost. how much a can of pringle cost at ntuc compared to shengshong.

show them FAP does not care for them can call bluff.
 

Black Swan

Alfrescian
Loyal
The so called wide range of professionals of PAP are mostly from the military or ex-civil servants. Other than Sham and Hen, the cabinet are all SAF or ex-civil servants.
 

glockman

Old Fart
Asset
The so called wide range of professionals of PAP are mostly from the military or ex-civil servants. Other than Sham and Hen, the cabinet are all SAF or ex-civil servants.

Yes, we actually have a junta in government. Yet sinkies are blissfully ignorant.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
A PAP MP ability to retain his seat over multiple elections is many times more than an opposition MP as the PAP controls nearly everything. We already struggle to attract good quality opposition candidates in view of the uneven playing field. Our pool will be much much smaller if MP are to be full time. We will end up with retirees and those not capable of being employed and poor quality candidates.

There is no way to compete on this front.

I even doubt that Paul Thambyah will ever forgo his professorial tenure in NUS to go full-time. .



Agree on this point. Also having MP allowance move up in tandem with public sector salary (there is no peg, but these two tend to rise together) is sophistry on the part of PAP. The MP allowance is neither a superscale civil service salary nor a payment for service rendered. It is an allowance - period. I don't believe you need $15,000 to hire a staff to do research for you or buff your boots.
 

Narong Wongwan

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
Yes, we actually have a junta in government. Yet sinkies are blissfully ignorant.

I dare say it's more junta than Myanmar......
And also more totalitarian dictatorship than North Korea....I bet fatso Kim doesn't have as many relatives installed in power as pinky loong
 

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
Thats my point. None of the PAP MPs or even the 5 full time MPs from PAP actually run the town councils. They have mayors and a whole infrastructure overseeing the managing agents like Esmaco to do the job. Look at the woes of the Workers Party in Aljunied. Its an albatross around their neck.

How does a part time MP run a town council n still have a full time job? Not enough hrs per day unless the town council is doing the job for the mp? Has old fart run the town council?
 

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
Does it make sense to follow the PAP despite their poor practice. The opposition should attract from the wide range of professionals and industry leaders. If the opposition goes down the path of having full time MPs whose term is only guaranteed for 5 years, don't you think the pool of eligible candidates would immediately shrink. Would Chiam, Low, JBJ etc give up their livelihood and business for the certainly of 5 years?


The so called wide range of professionals of PAP are mostly from the military or ex-civil servants. Other than Sham and Hen, the cabinet are all SAF or ex-civil servants.
 
Last edited:

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
Some of you have already suggested the right approach - whack at issues of the heart. And there is a whole lot that PAP has to answer for. The PAP is a totalitarian regime disguised as democracy so there are a lot of issues. If SDP concentrates on the issues than the PAP has to address these issues.

There is nothing to be gained talking about the town council or going full-time. If SDP continues to focus on these, the PAP will come in hard and question character, capability, expertise all of which are issues that SDP can't address convincingly. Do note that not once did the PAP claim that Murali was going to run the town council. They have in fact stated that they have the necessary infrastructure and the people to run it. Listen to Grace Fu's speech.

Sure there will be always the segment of voters that are dim witted but the majority can think. So why go and claim that your golf handicap is single digit and the PAP then ask you to show the scorecard.
 

scroobal

Alfrescian
Loyal
Yes, its a Junta except they prettied the pig. 70% of the PAP MPs can't get into parliament on their own steam. Look at Koh Poh Koon and Ong Ye Kung, both considered cabinet material but could not win at the polls.

Yes, we actually have a junta in government. Yet sinkies are blissfully ignorant.
 

Debonerman

Alfrescian
Loyal
Some of you have already suggested the right approach - whack at issues of the heart. And there is a whole lot that PAP has to answer for. The PAP is a totalitarian regime disguised as democracy so there are a lot of issues. If SDP concentrates on the issues than the PAP has to address these issues.

There is nothing to be gained talking about the town council or going full-time. If SDP continues to focus on these, the PAP will come in hard and question character, capability, expertise all of which are issues that SDP can't address convincingly. Do note that not once did the PAP claim that Murali was going to run the town council. They have in fact stated that they have the necessary infrastructure and the people to run it. Listen to Grace Fu's speech.

Sure there will be always the segment of voters that are dim witted but the majority can think. So why go and claim that your golf handicap is single digit and the PAP then ask you to show the scorecard.

I guarantee you the voters can think. If they have an Aljunied Hougang Town Council next door I would revise my prediction on a PAP win to 52.45%
 
Top