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Bloomberg says SG INC in trouble!

Pinkieslut

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Singapore and its manufacturing make an uneasy fit

Singapore’s central bank unexpectedly eased its monetary stance, adopting a policy issued last during the 2008 global financial crisis, as economic growth in the trade-dependent city state ground to a halt.

Business, Bloomberg, April 15

You get the sense here of listening to the smooth comforting voice of pilot Lee Hsien-loong telling the passengers not to worry. It’s just a mild spot of turbulence.

The real trouble for Singapore, however, is much more deep-seated. It stems from a decision many decades back that the city should not put all its eggs in one basket and must therefore encourage a manufacturing as well as a regional services economy.

Singapore is not really suited to manufacturing. It is too wealthy and has too little land, labour and manufacturing infrastructure. But any industry can be made to work for a while if government is willing to give it a push, which the Singapore government did with generous concessions to foreign investors. As a result, manufacturing was a bedrock of the economy for many years.

Singapore is not really suited to manufacturing. It is too wealthy and has too little land, labour and manufacturing infrastructure

But it never really took root. Domestic manufacturing investment has always been tiny. It has always been foreigners and they were fair weather friends. They just sent their earnings back home.

The first chart shows the recent trend. Over the last five years, net income on the current account has deteriorated from a deficit of 0.5 to 4.7 per cent of gross domestic product. That’s those foreign investors sending their money back home.

Contrast this with the line on top of the chart. There you have the equivalent experience of Taiwan, where a good number of the foreigners originate and where they have taken the money. Singapore’s drain is Taiwan’s gain.

It would not matter that much if the foreigners continued to be enthusiastic about manufacturing in Singapore, but they are not. Manufacturing now accounts for about 17 per cent of GDP. Ten years ago it was more like 27 per cent.

Nor would it matter that much if a huge foreign trade surplus, which has run at an average of more than 25 per cent of GDP for more than ten years, were wisely invested in foreign parts. But the first chart already shows you that this has not happened. The Singapore income deficit would otherwise be a surplus by now.

What actually did happen is that the Singapore government, which also routinely runs a huge fiscal surplus, scooped up most of the trade surplus with this fiscal surplus and invested it abroad on its own account, for the most part rather unwisely. The returns have been miserable.

And now the private sector, both foreign and S’porean (that’s the local newspaper’s term, not mine) increasingly want out. As the second chart shows, by the end of last year net private capital outflows were already running at a stinging 19 per cent of GDP.

This will not be fixed by a tweak of monetary policy to a zero per cent appreciation of the Singapore dollar (announced, by the way after an annualised eight per cent appreciation in the nominal exchange rate index over the first three months this year. Oh, well).

Talk won’t get you out this time, Mr Lee.
 

frenchbriefs

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why are we still depending on manufacturing anyway?unless manufacturing can pay 20 dollar an hour wages and promise us swiss standard of living we should be moving on to greater things already.

3 or 4 decades ago,PAP and albert wisemius prepped the population by training them up to secondary school or poly education in order to make Singapore a viable workforce as a low cost manufacturing hub,back then gdp was in the mere thousands and that was seen as the stepping stone in creating income growth and giving sinkies a better standard of living......its the 21st century now,sinkies are mostly well educated with nearly one quarter of the workforce graduating from unis and many more from polys and jcs.........instead of advancing to the next stage of economic development,we are still dependant on a low cost manufacturing hub reliant on cheap labour,except now we import hordes and hordes of PRCs to do our manufacturing......facking awesome,i thought we have moved out of the jungle decades ago instead now we are stuck with our cousins who are beginning to step out of the jungle.......better still the government gives all the high paying jobs to high caste shitskins so sinkies are now stuck in the middle with really nowhere to go and nothing to do.
 

johnny333

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Nor would it matter that much if a huge foreign trade surplus, which has run at an average of more than 25 per cent of GDP for more than ten years, were wisely invested in foreign parts. But the first chart already shows you that this has not happened. The Singapore income deficit would otherwise be a surplus by now.
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Why were the investment NOT wisely invested:confused:

Could it have because of corruption e.g. embazzelled, or incompetence, or both. Is that why LKY only allowed trusted members of his family into the secrets of Temasek? Many suspect that LKY amassed billions & billions of $$$.

Unfortunately we will never know as long as a Lee is in charge of Spore.
 

red amoeba

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With 3D printing I can manufacture technically anything in my bedroom. Why need factory ? Develope our AV industry better.
 

eatshitndie

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what "eased its monetary stance"? that was 2015 news. today the sgd is very strong, up from a low of sgd1.44 to usd1 last year.

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winnipegjets

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It is the type of manufacturing that sinkapore courted. The scholar brain trusts couldn't think outside the box and just grabbed whichever manufacturers that were willing to set up shop. The government just gave these investors all the tax breaks and subsidies.

Then the government had to import the millions of cheap foreign labour to help these companies to survive.

Trust the PAP to screw up the country. We pay for the most expensive government and get idiots running the show.
 

nayr69sg

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It is the type of manufacturing that sinkapore courted. The scholar brain trusts couldn't think outside the box and just grabbed whichever manufacturers that were willing to set up shop. The government just gave these investors all the tax breaks and subsidies.

Then the government had to import the millions of cheap foreign labour to help these companies to survive.

Trust the PAP to screw up the country. We pay for the most expensive government and get idiots running the show.


What's the big deal with Singapore that people expect it to be economically successful?
What does Singapore have anyway? When it started they touted a well educated and trained hardworking workforce which was cheap. hence the manufacturing boom. With time the government diversified to services. Financial services to be precise. Asia's financial hub. High end manufacturing with oil rigs.

What else? Just because the Politicians are paid highly doesn't really change anything. Would Singapore do better if they paid the government poorly?

Singapore has nothing. That's the fact. All these programs and schemes are just temporary measures before the country finally declines over the long term or stagnates indefinitely.
 

winnipegjets

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What's the big deal with Singapore that people expect it to be economically successful?
What does Singapore have anyway? When it started they touted a well educated and trained hardworking workforce which was cheap. hence the manufacturing boom. With time the government diversified to services. Financial services to be precise. Asia's financial hub. High end manufacturing with oil rigs.

Small country can thrive if it finds its niches. But it is not possible with sinkapore because the PAP doesn't want a thinking population. If the people are truly smart, the PAP would no longer be in charge.

What else? Just because the Politicians are paid highly doesn't really change anything. Would Singapore do better if they paid the government poorly?
We don't have good and smart people running the country. Yet, we make everyone of them millionaires for life.
Actually, in a democracy, it is more important to have smart voters ...they will then ensure capable people get the chance to implement the voters' wishes.

Singapore has nothing. That's the fact. All these programs and schemes are just temporary measures before the country finally declines over the long term or stagnates indefinitely.
Sinkapore has nothing but it can thrive if only people smarten up.
 

Rogue Trader

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"we should not promote manufacturing because it requires a lot of land and labour. But Singapore is short of land and labour... We want to promote, we want to use our land, limited tax incentives... promoting services sector such as medical, health sectors, education, creative industries."

- Tan jee say, 2011
 

Froggy

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what "eased its monetary stance"? that was 2015 news. today the sgd is very strong, up from a low of sgd1.44 to usd1 last year.

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What the fuck! Should have sold my US$23.65 leftover from my trip when it was 1.4. Knn.
 

frenchbriefs

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What's the big deal with Singapore that people expect it to be economically successful?
What does Singapore have anyway? When it started they touted a well educated and trained hardworking workforce which was cheap. hence the manufacturing boom. With time the government diversified to services. Financial services to be precise. Asia's financial hub. High end manufacturing with oil rigs.

What else? Just because the Politicians are paid highly doesn't really change anything. Would Singapore do better if they paid the government poorly?

Singapore has nothing. That's the fact. All these programs and schemes are just temporary measures before the country finally declines over the long term or stagnates indefinitely.

true,every country reaches its maximum potential and slows down,its perfectly natural cycle,singapore probably reached its peak back in the 90s and early 00s when our gdp per cap hit the 30,000s.....that was probably the peak of sinkies' human potential.then for some rhyme or reason our elite government was not satisfied with this and embarked on the population growth madness policy,overnight the population shot up by 1.4 million and our gdp more than doubled to 70,000.....however the accelerated population growth created extreme stress load on the local population itself and the infrastructure......quality of life plummeted overnight.....was the increase in gdp really worth it?with the massive influx of cheaper better faster,our wages stagnanted nor did it move in tandem with our gdp growth,if singaporeans were earning close to their gdp we would be earning more than our first world cousins in australia or swissland or scandinavian countries already......clearly gdp growth was all smoke and mirrors,it benefited no one other than those at the top.....the million dollar ministers,the mps,the paper generals,the massively overpaid government administration and their glcs and crony companies!!!!!,for the rest of us,our wages struggled to keep up with inflation caused by this relentless pursuit of capitalism and profit.....death to PAP!!!!!!death to the bourgeoisie!!!!

part of the gdp growth that sinkieland enjoyed during the 21st century i believe was in due part to the prosperity and success of china's economic growth and the rest of the world.......but things are starting to turn ugly now,and its clear the foundation and basis for having so many immigrant workers in singapore is no longer there.
 
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halsey02

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Nobody is still mentioning that WE HAVE A VERY EXPENSIVE GOVERNMENT & AN EQUALLY EXPENSIVE "FEEDING" STRUCTURES TO THOSE SUPPORTING THE GOVERNMENT...THIS IS WHAT SUCKING THE COUNTRY DRY & SUCKING ALL THE 'JUICES" FROM THE CORE.

That is the REAL PROBLEM....REDUCE THE EXPENSIVE GOVERNMENT & THE "FEED ON"...rethink, redraw...we will survive & move down the road.........the CORE IS ROTTEN.
 

Leckmichamarsch

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....better still the government gives all the high paying jobs to high caste shitskins so sinkies are now stuck in the middle with really nowhere to go and nothing to do.

want to see what these f trashes really do during office hours?

see them shopping for wife and children with name tags on......... in Changi Biz Hub esp NTUC Fairprice
or see them stealing a smoke along the roads, streets every half an hour,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, who are the big suckers? sgian whose jobs they have stolen aided by this traitorous govt.. voted in by new shitizens some of whom are now feeling that pinch!!
 

Leckmichamarsch

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Nobody is still mentioning that WE HAVE A VERY EXPENSIVE GOVERNMENT & AN EQUALLY EXPENSIVE "FEEDING" STRUCTURES TO THOSE SUPPORTING THE GOVERNMENT...THIS IS WHAT SUCKING THE COUNTRY DRY & SUCKING ALL THE 'JUICES" FROM THE CORE.

That is the REAL PROBLEM....REDUCE THE EXPENSIVE GOVERNMENT & THE "FEED ON"...rethink, redraw...we will survive & move down the road.........the CORE IS ROTTEN.

and still they are hankering for a elected VP who must be from a race other than the E Prez who has little work to do but earns a bombs every minute of the day and nite................ who is footing the bill so that papigs can cont'd to drive in car lite sg as though they own the roads which belong to all
 

Satyr

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It isn't SG that's in trouble. It is Singaporeans who are in trouble. But do you hear a squeak from them ? No. Worse than mice. The top tier will do very well, thank you. Why should they care about you. Who asked you not to belong to the elite ?
 

yahoo55

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Singapore is too expensive, many MNCs are relocating or downsizing their operations in Singapore, or transferring their operations out of Singapore.
 

halsey02

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Singapore is too expensive, many MNCs are relocating or downsizing their operations in Singapore, or transferring their operations out of Singapore.

Have you heard of the multiplier effect?...our multiplier effect is an ultra expensive government & not only the government, companies that are related to the government & the "feeders" that feed on the system....the costs gets multiplied, many times over. How not to get expensive? when any company even despite the tax breaks, & whatever incentives they are given, the "hidden" costs are "galaxy" high...the sky is too low...

We we look, hard & long at what is costly here..really!...LOOK CAREFULLY!
 

GoldenDragon

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"we should not promote manufacturing because it requires a lot of land and labour. But Singapore is short of land and labour... We want to promote, we want to use our land, limited tax incentives... promoting services sector such as medical, health sectors, education, creative industries."

- Tan jee say, 2011

I am not a supporter of TJS but I find his above suggestion enticing enough. With proper planning, we won't even need FT in these sectors.
 
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