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Thailand to consider PRC and Russian tanks

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Armored vehicles have never caught my attention nor interest, probably because they are overshadowed by the glamour of military jet fighters and impressive battleships. Even during NS days, at SAF day rehearsals, I didn't bother to watch the AMX-13 tanks going through their runs on the showground. To me, tanks were like sitting ducks, waiting to be fired upon, and while waiting, those inside are getting cooked in some kind of oven, uncomfortable as hell. Now that military days are all in the past, I look at military hardware more in terms of saleability, and commercial aspect rather than fighting capability. For too long, US made hardware has dominated the world, it is good news that other countries' products are being considered an giving US made weapons a run for the money. Thailand, an ASEAN country is now considering PRC and Russian tanks (article below)m whilst in the same publication, Indonesia has purchased Russian Su-35 fighters.

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http://thediplomat.com/2016/02/confirmed-thailands-military-wants-a-new-main-battle-tank/

Confirmed: Thailand’s Military Wants a New Main Battle Tank
The Royal Thai Army is setting up a procurement committee to evaluate Chinese and Russian armor.

By Franz-Stefan Gady
February 12, 2016

Thailand announced this week that it is in the process of setting up a procurement committee to evaluate Chinese and Russian tank models in order to select a new main battle tank (MBT) for service in the Royal Thai Army (RTA), the Bangkok Post reports.
Earlier in the week, the Thai military had initially denied media reports that it is considering purchasing a Russian-made tank, the T-90(M)S MBT. Now, according to Thailand’s ministry of defense, the procurement committee is purportedly considering two different Chinese and Russian MBT models.
Royal Thai Army spokesperson Colonel Winthai Suvaree emphasized that the military will make a decision based on cost-effectiveness. “The Army’s aware it’s taxpayers money,” he said. He did not go into details as to when a selection will be made, nor offer a price estimate.
Thailand’s defense minister, Prawit Wongsuwon, will visit Russia in late February and inspect a T-90(M)S model, whereas RTA chief, General Thirachai Nakwanich, visited China in late January to inspect the Chinese MBT3000 or VT-4 model. A Thai delegation visited Russian main battle tank manufacturer Uralvagonzavod in late December 2015 and expressed interest in both the T-90S and the T-14 Armata MBT.
Both the MBT3000 and T-90(M)S are based on the Soviet-era T-72 tank design and armed with a 125-mm smoothbore gun as their main weapon system. Both tanks are also capable of firing anti-tank missiles, although China’s tank maker Norinco claims that the MBT3000 has superior fire-control systems than any Russian-made tank, including the T-14 Armata. In addition, both tanks are ready for serial-production.
As I reported in early January (See: “Will Thailand Buy Russian T-90 Tanks?”):
In 2011, Thailand placed a $240 million order for the purchase of 49 Ukrainian-made T-84 ‘Oplot-M’ MBTs plus a number of support vehicles with Ukrspetsexport, a Ukrainian state-owned defense contractor. Yet, by the end of 2015, only ten tanks had been delivered to the Royal Thai Army, causing concern over future delays among high-ranking officers in the Royal Thai Army.
Five additional tanks are slated for delivery in early 2016, according Ukrspetsexport, although sources say that Bangkok might opt out of the contract due to the delays altogether. (Thailand was originally supposed to receive 20 T-84 tanks in 2015.)
The exact number of MBTs that Royal Thai Army requires is unknown, although there have been reports that Thailand plans to purchase around 200 new MBTs for its armored formations over the next couple of years.
From 1992 to 2013, Russia’s defense industry sold 1,297 MBTs, whereas Chinese tank makers exported a total of 461 MBTs, according to data from the United Nations’ Register of Conventional Arms. Competition between the two countries for market share in the developing world will be fierce.
 

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Every country has a budget set aside for military spending. It could be better used for social or medical spending, but whatever, it has to be spent. When spent on military hardware, there are lots of issues, like national pride, soldier's careers, kickbacks, technical training (for technicians), spare parts, etc. Lots of people benefit. Some more than others. Myself, I'd rather it be spent on social needs. But people like the technology of high-tech military weaponry.

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Why waste money. Just get free ones from,sinkieland
 

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No money no talk lah. the Thais are broke and spend very little on their military. Sinkieland had to donate a squadron of F-16 A/B to them for free.Talk cock like they have money to buy new tanks. More likely free trip to be wined and dined in the Ukraine and China for their Generals.
 

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why wud Thighland need M1 or Merkava when it is surrounded by dorks like Myanmar, Lao, Cambodia.....????? Save lots of money going for second rat MBTs
oso bribes tends to be higher the lower the grade of armour
 

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No money no talk lah. the Thais are broke and spend very little on their military. Sinkieland had to donate a squadron of F-16 A/B to them for free.Talk cock like they have money to buy new tanks. More likely free trip to be wined and dined in the Ukraine and China for their Generals.

real or not that sg donated F16 to them???
 

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why wud Thighland need M1 or Merkava when it is surrounded by dorks like Myanmar, Lao, Cambodia.....????? Save lots of money going for second rat MBTs
oso bribes tends to be higher the lower the grade of armour

thais don't have too much good experience with chinese tanks. If they buy from the tiongs it will not be the first time. Of Their original China tank order, I think very few if any are still running.

2 Thai Deals Enlarge China's Asian Arms Role
April 23, 1987|NICK B. WILLIAMS Jr. | Times Staff Writer

BANGKOK, Thailand — China has gained a higher profile in the Southeast Asian weapons market with the announcement of two pending arms deals with Thailand.

Lt. Gen. Suchinda Kraprayoon, deputy chief of staff, said recently that the Thai army has agreed to buy 400 armored personnel carriers. A deal for at least 50 Chinese tanks was disclosed earlier. Thailand is pursuing a program to mechanize its ground forces.

"These two types of military vehicles will be sold to us at 'friendship' prices, and the payment will be made in installments with a generous grace period," Suchinda said. One Thai press report said that Thailand may pay for the tanks with agricultural products. Suchinda did not disclose a price.

So far, none of Thailand's non-Communist allies in the Assn. of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) has publicly commented on Bangkok's weapons deals with Beijing. But at least two ASEAN members, Malaysia and Indonesia, which both have important Chinese minorities, are wary of Beijing's intentions in the region.

Chinese weapons sales usually make a political point. In the 1950s and 1960s, for instance, Beijing positioned itself as leader of the Third World, arming a number of newly independent countries. In Southeast Asia, the Chinese had limited their arms shipments to Communist insurgents in Malaysia and Thailand, and to Hanoi until their break with the Vietnamese in the late 1970s. In the last few years, until their arms relationship with the Thais began to blossom, Chinese weapons shipments in the region went almost exclusively to guerrillas opposing Vietnamese occupation of Cambodia, Western military experts here say.

Anti-Vietnamese Message

There is an anti-Vietnamese political message in the Thai sales, they say. Border fighting between the Chinese and Vietnamese flared in January, and Thai troops reguarly exchange fire, and sometimes clash, with Soviet-armed Vietnamese on Thailand's Cambodian border.

For the past two weeks, Thai forces have been trying to oust Vietnamese infantry from two hills inside the Thai border. Casualties in double figures have been reported on both sides.

The Thai-Chinese military relationship began in 1979, after the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia, formerly ruled by Beijing's ruthless Khmer Rouge allies. Thai military commanders have visited China four times since 1981.

In January, the Chinese armed forces chief, Gen. Yang Dezhi, repaid the visits, coming to Bangkok for talks with military leaders here. The offer to sell tanks to the Thais came during that visit, according to Bangkok press reports.

Suchinda, the army deputy chief of staff, said the deal involves the Chinese T-69 tank. The T-69 is a modified version of the Korean War-vintage Soviet T-54, but with a far better fire-control system, a Western military attache here said.

About the same time that the Chinese deal was disclosed, the Pentagon announced in Washington that it was planning to sell the Thais 40 M-48 tanks, also a vintage model but modified for export. Military experts here said that the American tank is heavier and has greater firepower, but because of its weight might not be as maneuverable in the often boggy rice lands that cover much of Thailand.

Furthermore, the cost of the M-48 deal, still to be approved by Congress, is $47 million, including spares and ammunition, or more than $1 million a tank. Suchinda was quoted as saying that the Thais may get the Chinese T-69 for 10 cents on the dollar, or for as little as $50,000 a tank. One Western source, however, estimated that the price would be closer to about half the M-48's, or $500,000.

Two weeks after the Chinese tank deal was disclosed, Suchinda revealed the Thai commitment to buy the 400 armored personnel carriers from Beijing.

Despite the Chinese sales, Thailand's military remains overwhelmingly U.S.-supplied, to a greater degree than any of its Southeast Asian neighbors except the Philippines. In 1985, the Thais agreed to buy 12 F-16 fighter-bombers from the United States, a $318-million deal. The planes are to arrive here next year.
 

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U know these bloody usa have tens of thousands of tanks and armored vehicles sitting around in graveyards after the iraq war,why dont she give some to us for free?they dont even have the personnel to drive them anymore after budget cuts.
 

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U know these bloody usa have tens of thousands of tanks and armored vehicles sitting around in graveyards after the iraq war,why dont she give some to us for free?they dont even have the personnel to drive them anymore after budget cuts.

If they give it to us for free, then how can the jiak liao bee scholar generals and colonels running ST Kinetics, ST Engineering, DSTA, etc earn their salary and bonus, and bribes when they have no business?

If you want free tanks, US can for sure give you M60 with the 105mm gun. Or even captured T-72s from the Iraqis. But they prefer to get bribes from arms broker to buy Leo 2, and more bribes to upgrade it with AMAPS from Diesenroth. All this is income for them.
 

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Why waste money. Just get free ones from,sinkieland

If the Thais ask nicely, Gay Loong can give them 200 AMX-13 SM1 by next month. As well as one battalion of AMX-10. Also, around 100 V-100/V-150n Cadillac GAge Commando armour vehicles, and 2 battalions of Centurion 105mm. If they want M113, we also have a few hundred in storage they can have. Its a strong force compared to what their neighbours have.
 

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If the Thais ask nicely, Gay Loong can give them 200 AMX-13 SM1 by next month. As well as one battalion of AMX-10. Also, around 100 V-100/V-150n Cadillac GAge Commando armour vehicles, and 2 battalions of Centurion 105mm. If they want M113, we also have a few hundred in storage they can have. Its a strong force compared to what their neighbours have.

Centurion still in service??
 

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No money no talk lah. the Thais are broke and spend very little on their military. Sinkieland had to donate a squadron of F-16 A/B to them for free.Talk cock like they have money to buy new tanks. More likely free trip to be wined and dined in the Ukraine and China for their Generals.
http://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article1270.html
hahaha...truly an empty vessel with nothing between the ears....
idiot could not read beyond the second line......
anybody with half a brain can see that this was clear cut case of a deal where both sides got what they wanted......and not a donation per se...truly retarded
the only thing surprising is that they are even bigger idiots who will swallow the bullshits hook, line and sinker.....LOL
 

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If the Thais ask nicely, Gay Loong can give them 200 AMX-13 SM1 by next month. As well as one battalion of AMX-10. Also, around 100 V-100/V-150n Cadillac GAge Commando armour vehicles, and 2 battalions of Centurion 105mm. If they want M113, we also have a few hundred in storage they can have. Its a strong force compared to what their neighbours have.

How true. So many here are so wise said so many things said are true. I can only chui-tat-lan livng here because of 112.
 

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http://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article1270.html
hahaha...truly an empty vessel with nothing between the ears....
idiot could not read beyond the second line......
anybody with half a brain can see that this was clear cut case of a deal where both sides got what they wanted......and not a donation per se...truly retarded
the only thing surprising is that they are even bigger idiots who will swallow the bullshits hook, line and sinker.....LOL

Kukushit, the author of the article on F-16.net says its a donation in the first line. If you disagree its a donation, kindly write to him and demonstrate your stupidity. We already know how stupid you are here.
 

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Kukushit, the author of the article on F-16.net says its a donation in the first line. If you disagree its a donation, kindly write to him and demonstrate your stupidity. We already know how stupid you are here.

donation as in najib's donation?maybe the fighter jets were packed with hampers and xo martell.
 

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http://www.harrods.com/product/the-decadence/harrods/000000000003512913

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Kukushit, the author of the article on F-16.net says its a donation in the first line. If you disagree its a donation, kindly write to him and demonstrate your stupidity. We already know how stupid you are here.
hahaha....thank you for confirming that u really have nothing between your 2 ears...
and don't know how to read beyond the first line....
 
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