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Tragic case of Benjamin Lim: is Spore’s justice system flawed?

gsfosnis

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IF the truest test of a society’s integrity is how it protects its most vulnerable members, the death of a 14-year-old following an unaccompanied and unrecorded police “interview” is tragic proof of our abject failure.
Benjamin Lim was a 14-year-old student who allegedly molested a girl. After obtaining positive identification from the school, police officers “took” him away for a three-hour “interview” without his parents’ consent. During Benjamin’s “interview”, his mother’s request to see him was denied. When she asked to review the evidence, she was rebuffed. Upon release, Benjamin tells his mother that he confessed to a crime he did not commit. Hours later, he killed himself.
Questions abound. Why was Benjamin taken away without the permission of his parents? Did the police overstep their authority and unlawfully detain an innocent individual? Or were they arresting a suspect based on sound evidence? If Benjamin was indeed arrested, why is his interrogation being called an “interview”? What happened during the course of this three-hour interrogation and why was he not allowed to see his mother?
Crowning these questions is the nagging suspicion that Benjamin killed himself because he had been compelled to confess to a crime he did not commit—the punishment and stigma of which would ruin the rest of his life.
Although suicide is, by definition, the victim’s own action, it does not mean that no one may be held liable for causing it. Even if the victim was mentally sound, the chain of causation, while disrupted by the intervening act of suicide, is still relevant. In a 1960 ruling, the California Court of Appeal reasoned that since an individual who abuses his victim may be held liable for his victim’s self-inflicted injuries, the same logic applies if the self-inflicted injury causes death. Or in other words, if abuse leads to suicide, the perpetrator’s abuse may be considered a proximate cause of the victim’s death. Therefore, moral and legal culpability apply (subject to other considerations such as intention and foreseeability). Some may disagree with the example and cite that Singapore is not California, but since the logic here is not place-dependent, we may consider the objection irrelevant.

“Justice demands that we determine if there was any police misconduct.”

All of this is not to say that the police officers involved should be held liable for Benjamin’s death. Rather, it means that we cannot exclude the possibility that these officers were responsible, which in turn means that a transparent and thorough investigation into possible police misconduct is necessary. And if there has been any misconduct, questions need to be asked about the flaws in our justice system which allow officers to compel false confessions out of minors.
As with all unnatural deaths, a police investigation is routine. However, it cannot merely be routine—as is so often the case with the opaque institutions in power. This is not merely a matter of appeasing the public or dispelling doubts about the police’s integrity—it is a matter of justice.
Justice demands that we determine if there was any police misconduct. Justice demands that we determine if undue pressure was applied on Benjamin to make him confess. Justice demands that we determine if there is something systematically wrong with the way we deny legal counsel, or any kind of advice for that matter, to suspects, even one as young as Benjamin. Justice demands that something like this never happens again to anyone. It demands that those who ignore the warnings of our own jurists be held to account.
These issues are not new. The right to legal counsel was reviewed only a few years ago. In 2012, Assistant Professor of Law at Singapore Management University, Jack Lee, recommended that suspects be granted the right to legal counsel during interrogations, and to be informed of such rights. In addition, Professor Lee recommended that suspects be granted “a reasonable opportunity to consult and obtain advice from family members or other appropriate persons.”
Unfortunately, despite all the legal wrangling and the debates in Parliament (if they may be called debates), state supremacy remains the order of the day. For all the PISA and TIMS rankings that we top, the powers that be continue to deny the necessity of an adversarial process. They deny the possibility that overzealous police officers may make serious mistakes. And they remain blind to the contradiction of perpetuating injustice to pursue justice.
A life was cut short. A lifetime of potential was prematurely terminated. While this precise sequence of events is unlikely to repeat itself, it is almost certain that the rights of suspects are being arbitrarily suppressed on a daily basis by a justice system so blinded by its need for control that it cannot manage uncertainty. As a result, the freedom and aspirations of many innocents, together with our ideals of fairness and justice, are crushed every time we leave defendants at the mercy of the paranoid state. If the abrupt ending of a 14-year-old boy’s life does not force us to reconsider our systemic disregard for the rights of suspects, nothing will.

https://asiancorrespondent.com/2016/...system-flawed/
 

shittypore

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If Benjie wud have stayed in some posh Condo, the Schooll and the Police wud hve did everythng right. Reality, there is 2 system of law here which need to be address.
 

gsfosnis

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If Benjie wud have stayed in some posh Condo, the Schooll and the Police wud hve did everythng right. Reality, there is 2 system of law here which need to be address.

Can imagine how the parents would be feeling having reunion dinner without Benjamin Lim.
How to eat, swallow also difficult, everytime spoon is near the mouth, tears would welled up.

Really sad.

This is the result of a one party system with no counter balance.
If there were 2 powerful parties in Parliament, they would probably
be rushing to be seen looking into the matter asap.

One party question the other and the other would rebut.
And justice have will have a field day.

That's the Parliament that Singapore should have.
 
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gsfosnis

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Benjamin sacrificed to further improve investigative procedure in future. Especially for minors.

Our system has been around for decades, if improvement were to administered, it would have been done long time ago.
Not until such tragic event happened.
The current strategy is not to improve the system to appease the people but to subtly strike terror and fear into people's mind.

The police would never change their attitudes towards the weak, the young, the poorer population, they want absolute control.
 

eatshitndie

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the weak minded loser chose to morest and chose to jump. he's gone and meanwhile no one cares to write sob pages about the victim. let's not use self-inflicted tragedy for a political agenda. you'll continue to lose. it's fool's futility.
 

shittypore

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the weak minded loser chose to morest and chose to jump. he's gone and meanwhile no one cares to write sob pages about the victim. let's not use self-inflicted tragedy for a political agenda. you'll continue to lose. it's fool's futility.

You re missing the point and Benjie was only a minor. Not seeking Political points, it cud happen to any poor families kid.
 

eatshitndie

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You re missing the point and Benjie was only a minor. Not seeking Political points, it cud happen to any poor families kid.

sinkies have becum too soft and wussy. minors or no minors, cops where i am will whack the shit out of pubescent teenagers, kill them if they resist arrest. can write pages on kids killed by cops. in sg's case, loser chose to kill himself. minors can also be hardcore criminals. age is no protection.
 

shittypore

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sinkies have becum too soft and wussy. minors or no minors, cops where i am will whack the shit out of pubescent teenagers, kill them if they resist arrest. can write pages on kids killed by cops. in sg's case, loser chose to kill himself. minors can also be hardcore criminals. age is no protection.

Look at Benjie's pic, can he be compared wit the Kids that you mention? Even today, try going dwn to the Juvenile detention centre at jurong than u will know the diff of wat u saying.
 

gsfosnis

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the weak minded loser chose to morest and chose to jump. he's gone and meanwhile no one cares to write sob pages about the victim. let's not use self-inflicted tragedy for a political agenda. you'll continue to lose. it's fool's futility.

In any society, there would always be individuals who are born with different traits.
That's society, people like you strong minded, not afraid of anything, educated, and knows you rights
but how many individuals are so lucky to be like you.

The strong should help the weak instead, for you may never know, for every given birth, no one knows how the individual would turned out to be.
You may be lucky to have all you siblings and members strong minded, independent and righteous.

We should spare some thoughts for the lesser endowed individuals.

What I am stating is a fact and not some political agenda.
A balance parliament is better than a lopped sided one.

No human is perfect like GOD, impartial, unbiased, and selfless
As long as human exist in any system there should always be a counter force to prevent abuse.
Same as religions where human front the organization.
A One Religion World would spell disaster as there can only be one Supreme leader.
Everyone else is lesser mortal.

And there are many example of religious leaders who have fallen out of grace because they are not GOD
and would always be bound by the Seven Sins.
 

gsfosnis

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It gets worse at the Top of the Tree! Its Asian Culture way of life, deeply rooted.

This World can never find Peace, which everyone seeks.
Because most if not all wants power, control, and fame.

Even in this forum eco-system, you can see examples
of this traits.

What more in the real World.

And every Culture in this World are the very Reflection of Human weakness to the Seven Sins.
Culture are created by humans not GOD, therefore there would be flaws in every which way you see it.
 

virus

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so where is the shit skin ah neh who self profess peasant champion fighter aka adulterer?

when gahment screwed up he is no where to be found.
 

eatshitndie

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Look at Benjie's pic, can he be compared wit the Kids that you mention? Even today, try going dwn to the Juvenile detention centre at jurong than u will know the diff of wat u saying.

can't judge a book by its cover. that so called "innocent" kid could be a serial molester, rapist and murderer under that deceptive skin.

don't you think these two pre-teens look cute and harmless?

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gsfosnis

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sinkies have becum too soft and wussy. minors or no minors, cops where i am will whack the shit out of pubescent teenagers, kill them if they resist arrest. can write pages on kids killed by cops. in sg's case, loser chose to kill himself. minors can also be hardcore criminals. age is no protection.

A bit of LOVE and CARE would not cost much to a strong-minded, educated and independent individual like you.
But it can help those who are lacking a long way.
 

shittypore

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Lets wait till the full report is out, i believe if the Kid is innocent you will hve another wsy of twisting ur words to defend PAP.
 

gsfosnis

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so where is the shit skin ah neh who self profess peasant champion fighter aka adulterer?

when gahment screwed up he is no where to be found.

He has shown himself to be an opportunist, and only tread when its safe, never take a political risk.

He rather speak up on Cats and Dogs abuse but is totally silent not even a fart is heard when it
concerns a low income helpless Singaporean.

He has painted himself a charlatan.
 

frenchbriefs

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truth of the matter is,the thing is its not about police brutality or harrasement,the question is why are sinkies so sensitive and so afraid of judgemental people or being judged?clearly it cant be that one interrogation session alone drove the boy to suicide,clearly he was afraid of what others might think of him when he returned to school,the bullying and harrasement that will ensue.the fear and embarassment when he has to face his peers,we know the teenage adolescence years are the most sensitive and volatile periods,thats when we fear being accepted or rejected by our peers.are sinkies' ego and pride so easily hurt and smashed?its almost like they cant handle any form of criticism or attacks.everytime some foreigner attack us or insult us be it online or in the media,that is always a huge hullabaloo and uproar and demand for social justice until the person is hounded out of the country or out of existence.in other countries u dont see this kind of shit,especially in ang moh countries,people are more outspoken and confrontational,they joke,insult and talk shit all the time.either u fight back or u take it like a pussy,theres no such thing as so and so said shit about us,we demand the person be fired and expel from the country,somebody has to protect our ego and feelings,i dont care if its the police or authorities!!!!!sinkies are precious!!!
 

eatshitndie

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A bit of LOVE and CARE would not cost much to a strong-minded, educated and independent individual like you.
But it can help those who are lacking a long way.

case of james bulger. only a 2-year old boy. while public attention and sympathy were heaped on robert and jon who were convicted of heinous crimes while they were 10 (above in pic), very few knew that the victim was kidnapped, tortured, beaten, sexually assaulted, bloodied, and deliberately left incapacitated on a railway track to get hit by a train.
 

gsfosnis

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can't judge a book by its cover. that so called "innocent" kid could be a serial molester, rapist and murderer under that deceptive skin.

don't you think these two pre-teens look cute and harmless?

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No one is born a serial molester, rapist or a murderer.
It is the society and environment that play an important part and role
in shaping the individual's characters, values and behaviours.
 
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