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HDB give $2 billion in grants, lancheow lah. Why don't they just lower the price?

Papsmearer

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HDB gave nearly $2b in grants

To help keep flat ownership within reach of Singaporeans, the Housing Board has given out almost $2 billion to households here, under two major public housing grants.

Under the Additional CPF Housing Grant (AHG) scheme, which offers up to $40,000 for first-timers buying new or resale flats, $1.6 billion has been given out to 82,873 households since it was introduced in March 2006.

The Special CPF Housing Grant (SHG) of up to $40,000, which is for first-timers buying new four-room and smaller flats, was introduced in March 2011. Since then, $297.6 million has been given out to 19,542 households. Most - 17,930 - took up the SHG after changes in July 2013, when the income ceiling was raised and the grant was extended to four-roomers. It had previously been for three- and two-roomers.

HDB figures showed that from January to the end of November, 8,098 households received the AHG. This was slightly less, proportionately, than the 9,817 households that received the grant in the whole of 2014.

The difference between the years was greater for the SHG.

In the first 11 months of last year, 7,192 households received the SHG. This was about a quarter less, proportionately, than the 10,095 households that received it in all of 2014.

This is despite improvements to the SHG announced in August last year that made it more attractive and available to more families.

Families earning up to $8,500 a month became eligible, compared with a maximum $6,500 previously.

According to the HDB, this made an additional 6,500 families eligible for the grant. The maximum grant amount was also doubled from $20,000 to $40,000.

One reason the SHG take-up rate fell despite these changes could be that the changes kicked in only at the November launch of new flats.

Unlike in 2014, when new flats were launched every two months, there were only three launches last year. The biggest, in November, formed almost half the year's total supply and combined the planned August and November launches.

The AHG and SHG cases from that bumper launch are not included in the 2015 figures, the HDB said. "The number of cases that took up AHG and SHG in 2015 would be much higher if the deferment of the August 2015 BTO is taken into account."

Another factor could have been the overall fall in the number of new flats launched last year, compared to 2014.

In 2014, a total of 29,129 flats were offered in Build-To-Order and Sale of Balance Flats exercises. Last year, this fell to 25, 837.

The cut in supply would have affected the take-up rate of the SHG, in particular, as it applies only to new flats bought from the HDB, and not to resale flats.

SLP International Property Consultants' head of research Nicholas Mak noted that if the take- up rate was adjusted for the change in supply, it would have risen.

And more BTO units launched last year were from mature estates, compared with 2014, noted OrangeTee senior manager of research and consultancy Wong Xian Yang.

This would have affected take-up rates as the SHG is only for four-room and smaller flats in non-mature estates, he added.
 

harimau

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Grant you must apply and fill in lots of forms mah!

If nobody applies, they save money!

Even benefits you have to work for it!

If they lower the price, they already lugi.
 

tonychat

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Exactly..just lower the price and everything is solved.. something fishy is going on.. can you guess what is it?
 

Charlie99

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Perhaps, my memory fails me, but I believe that the HDB's role was to provide affordable housing.
Accordingly, the HDB should not include the cost of the land to determine the "cost" or "price" of 99-year leasehold for HDB flats.
Forget about grants and additional grants, but simply "sell" or "transfer" HDB flats to Singaporeans at, say cost to build, excluding the cost or value of the land, plus 10% of the cost to build.
In addition, do away with the Town Council, but revert to the "old way" with HDB handling and managing all those services.
 

kryonlight

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Perhaps, my memory fails me, but I believe that the HDB's role was to provide affordable housing.
Accordingly, the HDB should not include the cost of the land to determine the "cost" or "price" of 99-year leasehold for HDB flats.
Forget about grants and additional grants, but simply "sell" or "transfer" HDB flats to Singaporeans at, say cost to build, excluding the cost or value of the land, plus 10% of the cost to build.
In addition, do away with the Town Council, but revert to the "old way" with HDB handling and managing all those services.

May I ask which planet are you from? You seem to be lost in time.
 

JohnTan

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Perhaps, my memory fails me, but I believe that the HDB's role was to provide affordable housing.
Accordingly, the HDB should not include the cost of the land to determine the "cost" or "price" of 99-year leasehold for HDB flats.
Forget about grants and additional grants, but simply "sell" or "transfer" HDB flats to Singaporeans at, say cost to build, excluding the cost or value of the land, plus 10% of the cost to build.
In addition, do away with the Town Council, but revert to the "old way" with HDB handling and managing all those services.

HDB has to include the cost of land. Period.

That is because HDB bought the land from SLA at market value price.

SLA will not sell the land to HDB below market price because it distorts free market practice - one set of prices for HDB, one set of prices for private developers. It is also problematic doing the accounts.

The land belongs not to the government, but to the sinkies. Hence, profit from land sales is put into the reserves, and not accounted for as income tax, corporate tax or some other form of tax. It is not treated as revenue. It is converting state reserves from physical land to an equivalent sum in cash. If the government was trying to make money from selling land, all of Singapore land would have been sold off by now, instead of being sold in tiny parcels year by year, carefully rationed out.

It is better accounting practice to sell the land at market value, and then subsidize the land with a grant.
 

frenchbriefs

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singapore is number one housing prices in the world,because everything is artificial,artificial supply and demand,artificial tenants,artificial prices.
 

eatshitndie

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cannot. will spoil the market for 69.86%. for a few losers not wise to sacrifice the (super uber) majority. so say confuseous.
 

tonychat

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Perhaps, my memory fails me, but I believe that the HDB's role was to provide affordable housing.
Accordingly, the HDB should not include the cost of the land to determine the "cost" or "price" of 99-year leasehold for HDB flats.
Forget about grants and additional grants, but simply "sell" or "transfer" HDB flats to Singaporeans at, say cost to build, excluding the cost or value of the land, plus 10% of the cost to build.
In addition, do away with the Town Council, but revert to the "old way" with HDB handling and managing all those services.

It is a nice contrast of yesteryears and now... It is a whole lot of difference. :smile:

See how evil PAP has become.
 

frenchbriefs

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HDB has to include the cost of land. Period.

That is because HDB bought the land from SLA at market value price.

SLA will not sell the land to HDB below market price because it distorts free market practice - one set of prices for HDB, one set of prices for private developers. It is also problematic doing the accounts.

The land belongs not to the government, but to the sinkies. Hence, profit from land sales is put into the reserves, and not accounted for as income tax, corporate tax or some other form of tax. It is not treated as revenue. It is converting state reserves from physical land to an equivalent sum in cash. If the government was trying to make money from selling land, all of Singapore land would have been sold off by now, instead of being sold in tiny parcels year by year, carefully rationed out.

It is better accounting practice to sell the land at market value, and then subsidize the land with a grant.

so u are extracting real wealth from the citizens earned from blood sweat and tears to pay for land which already belongs to sinkies anyway,brilliant.
 

Papsmearer

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HDB has to include the cost of land. Period.

That is because HDB bought the land from SLA at market value price.
.

But SLA stole the land using the Land Acquisitions Act and paid pennies on the dollar for it. SO the land the HDB "bought" from SLA resulted in a huge windwall profit for SLA. Since both are stat boards of the govt. its the same as right hand give to the left hand. The end result is that the flat dweller gets fucked with the so call market pricing. Get it, fucktard?
 
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