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Real Missile Tests showed that Ukriane shot down MH17 with Outdated BUK missile (pics

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maker of missile did scientific tests twice. It is NOT the new UPDATED BUK missiles used by Russians, but the OUTDATED BUK used only by Ukrainians.

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https://www.rt.com/news/318531-mh17-experiment-almaz-antey/

MH17 downed by outdated BUK missile fired from Kiev-controlled area – Defense system manufacturer

Published time: 13 Oct, 2015 11:59
Edited time: 13 Oct, 2015 15:09
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Two full-scale experiments by the Almaz-Antey defense company aimed at recreating the MH17 crash conclude the missile that downed the flight was an old BUK model fired from a Ukraine-controlled area, contesting the preliminary theory by Dutch investigators.

Two detonations of Buk missiles near aluminum panels and the cockpits of decommissioned Ilyushin Il-86 passenger airliners in July and October have produced what the company calls conclusive results.

In the course of the international investigation, "the company was provided with three T-shaped strike elements, which looked like 9M38M1 [model] strike elements, which caused specialists to make their conclusion on the missile type in June," said Almaz Antey’s CEO.

BREAKING: #MH17 was shot down by a Buk missile fired from Eastern #Ukraine - DSB; LIVE https://t.co/jkgjnqb48Epic.twitter.com/KcMYZB4HSH
— RT (@RT_com) October 13, 2015

Late in July the first full-scale experiment was conducted. Then a BUK 9M38M1 missile and aluminum panels were used.

“In the course of the experiment it became absolutely evident that if the Malaysian Boeing was downed by a BUK missile, it was done with an old BUK model which does not have double-T iron strike elements,” CEO Yan Novikov told a media conference in Moscow.

The outcome of the experiment was sent over to the Dutch investigators, however, "according to what we know was not taken into consideration," Novikov said.
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In October, the BUK manufacturer conducted a second full-scale experiment using the missile and a decommissioned Ilyushin Il-86 passenger airliner. The simulation of the attack on the Boeing "unequivocally proved that if the plane was brought down by a BUK system, it was done with an outdated 9M38 missile from the village of Zaroshchenskoye," in Ukrainian military-controlled territory.

The company also said that the last missile of this type was produced in the Soviet Union in 1986, that its life span is 25 years including all prolongations, and that all missiles of this type were decommissioned from the Russian Army in 2011.

According to Almaz-Antey experts, the Dutch side does not explain why the investigation insists that the possible launch of the surface-to-air missile was executed from the settlement of Snezhnoye, controlled by rebel forces.

A missile launched from Snezhnoye could not have inflicted damage to Boeing’s left side and not a single element would have hit the aircraft’s left wing and engine, insist the Almaz-Antey experts.
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“The main proof that the aircraft was shot down from the direction of Snezhnoye was [the Dutch commission’s] modeling of that process and interpretation of the damage to the fuselage. It does provide a quite visual imagery of how a missile on a head-on course could damage certain areas, yet this kind of modeling does not explain at all the real-incidence angles of striking elements [hitting the aircraft],” Novikov said.

Analysis of the photos of MH17 debris led the company's experts to believe that the blast of the warhead damaged not only the cockpit of the Boeing 777 that crashed in Ukraine, but also the left wing and stabilizer.

The detonation of the missile occurred at a distance of more than 20 meters from the left-wing engine and most of the strike elements were moving along the fuselage of the aircraft.
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“The left wing and stabilizer also bear traces of damage, the size of which provides an opportunity to define them as inflicted by the strike elements of a BUK missile complex,” adviser of the general constructor of Almaz-Antey, Mikhail Malyshevsky, said.

The Almaz-Antey experts paid special attention to the fact that some of the damage registered on the MH17 debris was caused by disruption of the aircraft’s structural components and not by the striking elements of the missile.

The experts of Almaz-Antey also said that Ukraine possesses 9M38 missiles, but fell short of accusing either the Kiev authorities or the rebels in the east of Ukraine of causing the catastrophe.

Reconstructed #MH17 Boeing on display at Dutch Safety Board #MH17 final report RT LIVE https://t.co/v6frE4HYSLpic.twitter.com/MxzJ9BZuwq
— RT (@RT_com) October 13, 2015

The Almaz-Antey specialists have not excluded other possible causes of the MH17 tragedy.

The preliminary theory of the Dutch Safety Board report investigating technical details of the MH17 air crash was presented on June 1 and since then the participants in the investigation, namely Australia, Malaysia, the Netherlands, Russia, the USA, UK and Ukraine have been allowed to deliver their amendments. Russian authorities have repeatedly called attention to the fact that the investigation team rejects evidence presented by Russian entities such as Almaz-Antey, which are not likely to be presented in the final version expected to be delivered on Tuesday, October 13.
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Simultaneously with the investigation of the Dutch Safety Board, the Dutch prosecutor's office is conducting a separate criminal investigation of its own aimed at establishing the perpetrators of the attack on passenger aircraft.

A Malaysia Airlines Boeing-777 flight MH17 passenger aircraft left from Amsterdam to the Malaysian capital of Kuala Lumpur on July 17, 2014. The airliner was shot down and fell to Earth over the Donetsk Region in eastern Ukraine. All 298 people, 283 passengers and 15 crew, on board were killed. There were 80 children among the passengers. Most, 193 people, were Dutch nationals; altogether the airliner was carrying citizens from 10 countries.

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BUK producer detonates missiles next to pilot’s cockpit in real-life MH17 experiment (VIDEO)
Published time: 13 Oct, 2015 10:09
Edited time: 13 Oct, 2015 15:40
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Almaz-Antey carried out two experiments simulating explosions near MH17. They determined the missile was an older BUK model 9M38 fired from an area under Ukrainian forces’ control, contesting the preliminary findings of the Dutch-led investigation.

Check out the live updates on the Almaz-Antey report.


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Both the Ukrainian & Russian uses BUK missiles, but with difference in versions.

Ukrainian has outdated Soviet Era BUK and Russian use updated new version which has improved fragmentation striking elements which is more effective in killing target. The MH-17 wreckage showed damages only with marks caused by Outdated BUK missiles, which means Ukrainian shot it down.
 

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so weak?passenger jets are like sitting ducks.just detonate the cockpit nia the whole plane disintegrates.
 

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russia also has older buk missiles in her stockpile. they have not upgraded all to the newer version.
 

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The info showed that Russian missiles are so damn effective that it will blast near cockpit of a target, spattered the target with lethally damaging explosive fragments. Ruined the cockpit engine and wing. Sure will cause the target to fall off the sky. Russian weapons are simply #1 effective lethal and cheap. American crappy weapons are troublesome faulty expensive and reliable.
 

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russia also has older buk missiles in her stockpile. they have not upgraded all to the newer version.

Those old ones exported cheaply mah. Sell Karanguni to 3rd world.
 

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MH17 downed by warhead fired in Ukraine, but Russia and West still at odds over who pulled the trigger


PUBLISHED : Tuesday, 13 October, 2015, 9:12pm
UPDATED : Wednesday, 14 October, 2015, 12:06am

The Washington Post

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A view of the rebuilt cockpit section of the rebuilt fuselage of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, just before the Dutch report was released on Tuesday. Photo: EPA

The Dutch Safety Board announced its findings Tuesday that a Buk missile brought down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over eastern Ukraine in mid-2014.

But the final report isn’t expected to bring closure: Russia and the West will continue to wrangle over who is to blame.

In its announcement, the board noted that Ukraine should have closed off its airspace to civilian aircraft and said that the Boeing 777, carrying 298 people, should not have been flying over a war zone.

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Tjibbe Joustra (left) head of the Dutch Safety Board, presents the board’s final report into what caused Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 to break up high over Eastern Ukraine last year, killing all 298 people on board. Photo: AP

On July 17, 2014, the Malaysian jetliner flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur broke apart, felled by a missile, over southeast Ukraine, where pro-government and separatist fighters were locked in bloody fighting.

Western officials and experts blamed separatist forces, who they said were being aided by the Russian military.

Watch: MH17 crash - Dutch Safety Board animation 'shows path of missile'


Russia responded by blaming the West, saying that Ukraine’s army may have shot down the plane and Ukraine’s government was complicit in the passengers’ deaths for allowing a jetliner to fly through a war zone.

Tuesday’s report by the Dutch Safety Board said that the plane was downed by a Buk SA-11 surface-to-air missile. This will discredit one Russian theory, that the passenger plane was shot down by a Ukrainian air force jet. But both the Russian and Ukrainian armies have Buk missile systems, and Russian officials can and probably will continue to argue that the Ukrainian army was behind the attack on the plane.

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Pro-Russian rebels inspect a damaged tank at the destroyed International Airport in Donetsk on Tuesday, where heavy fighting continued for over 240 days until January. Photo: EPA

To further prove that point, the Russian weapons manufacturer Almaz-Antey has reportedly even blown up a decommissioned Boeing 777 using a Buk missile in a controlled experiment. The goal of the experiment was to show that only the antiquated version of the Buk missile used by Ukraine, and not the modern version used by the Russian military, could have caused the damage done to MH17.

Earlier, the company had complained that its expertise was not being considered by Dutch investigators.

Tuesday’s report is the first official finding by Dutch investigators since they announced that MH17 had been penetrated by "a large number of high-energy objects", indicating shrapnel from a missile, in September 2014. A Dutch broadcaster, NOS, citing a Ukrainian official earlier attached to the investigation, said that pieces of shrapnel from a Buk missile had been found in the bodies of the passengers.

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A view of the cockpit section of the rebuilt fuselage. Photo: EPA

The Dutch Safety Board’s goal was to answer what, and not who, caused the crash. It was also charged with answering why civilian planes were flying over the conflict area, where separatist forces had brought down more than a dozen Ukrainian aircraft and helicopters in the weeks before the MH17 crash.

A Dutch police investigation, which is expected to finger a culprit, is also underway. Investigators released an appeal for witnesses who saw a Buk missile system being hauled on a trailer in separatist-held Ukraine shortly before and after the attack on MH17. The video said that a missile fired from separatist-held territory was the "main version of the investigation," although others are being considered.

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A military policeman stands guard in the reconstructed MH17 airplane after the presentation of the final report into the crash. Photo: Reuters

The video’s version of events relied heavily on two sources: open-source imagery of a Buk system in separatist-held Ukraine, much of which has been compiled here by the amateur investigative Web site Bellingcat, and audio from tapped telephone conversations between separatist fighters released by the Ukrainian government. The Russian government television station RT (formerly Russia Today) released reports last week attacking Bellingcat and the open source evidence that separatist forces had a Buk missile system.

Dutch investigators face one other hurdle: finding a venue to bring the accused to justice. In July, Russia vetoed a United Nations Security Council resolution that would have established an international criminal tribunal to investigate the MH17 attack. Russian U.N. ambassador Vitaly Churkin said his country vetoed the resolution because it was politically motivated. Australia, Belgium, Malaysia, the Netherlands and Ukraine may set up an independent tribunal instead, Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said last month.


 
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