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Thai Junta Cheif denies Thai-Chinese Kra Canal plans again

eErotica69

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Prayut denies Thai-Chinese Kra Canal plans again

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BANGKOK — Thai Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha has dismissed the latest round of rumours that the government plans to dig a canal across the Kra Isthmus, dampening long-standing speculation of an imminent new shipping route that could threaten Singapore’s position as the region’s maritime hub.

Citing comments by Mr Prayut yesterday (Oct 6), the Bangkok Post reported that the Chinese government had not proposed a plan for the Kra Canal. Even if it did, the Thai government would need to hold discussions to evaluate the project and its benefits, particularly in terms of national security.

The Thai Prime Minister was responding to a report by China’s state broadcaster, CCTV, that said China was considering a proposal from the Thai government to develop the canal from the Gulf of Thailand to the Andaman Sea.

If realised, the project would allow ships from the Indian Ocean to access the Gulf of Thailand, bypassing the congested Straits of Malacca.

There is already a Kra Canal Committee in Thailand comprising businessmen and former officials, who conduct studies on the feasibility of the project. However, none of the governments have officially initiated the scheme.

In fact, several Thai leaders since the 1930s have suggested the Kra Canal project as an alternative shipping lane to the Straits of Malacca, linking the Indian Ocean with the Gulf of Thailand.

However, the plan has never materialised, due to its enormous cost and possible damage to the communities as well as the environment in southern Thailand.

Similarly, Mr Prayut said yesterday, the government must evaluate whether the implementation of the canal plan, which would cut the country into two sections, was in fact a good idea and whether it would create problems in the country’s administration.

The latest wave of speculation over the project came after the CCTV documentary reported the Chinese government was considering a proposal to develop the canal.

It said China had taken the lead in studying proposals to fund and construct the canal, and that the project would begin soon.

The report added that the Kra Canal was part of China’s “One Belt, One Road” initiative, and that it would cut short the shipping route of a journey between China and Europe or the Middle East by 1,200km, roughly three days of sailing time.

“Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei has already announced that the Chinese government has no plans over the Kra Canal,” Associate Professor Aksornsri Phanishsarn, director of the Thai-Chinese Strategic Research Centre, told the Bangkok Post recently.

“I thought that was the end of all the wild rumours over the Kra Canal digging, but then again some groups were still pushing to make it happen, which has caused both nations a great deal of damage.”

It is not the first time that rumours of digging the Kra Canal have surfaced recently.

In May, senior Thai officials had to deny media reports from both countries that Thailand had signed an agreement with China to develop the same shipping route.

The Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated then that there has been no agreement between the Thai and Chinese governments on a project. AGENCIES



http://www.todayonline.com/world/au...chinese-kra-canal-plans-again?singlepage=true
 

syed putra

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Currently Thais and Chinese interest building tavoy as a super port, so all they need is a good road and rail link from Bangkok to tavoy. No need for kra canal. What this means is transhipment from Bangladesh and Myanmar and east coast India will eventually be diverted to tavoy from Singapore traditionally.
 

xebay11

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You mean the number one cannon fairy talk cock again??? His source was from the Phuket times leh, how can be wrong?
 

tonychat

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ok..it means they are building one...nice man,

i want that to be built and destroy sinkieland!!!!!
 

laksaboy

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If you think the planet's oil resources are depleting and finite, this is a blessing in disguise.

The toxic polluting shitholes of Jurong Island and Pulau Bukom need a revamp. :wink:

The Kra Canal is just like the MCE: a new connecting route to speed up your travel. It's nothing to lose sleep over, really.

Singapore is fucked either way, and the Kra Canal is irrelevant to the inevitable fuckery. :cool:


Little piece of news, may be related. Decide for yourself.

Work begins on southern oil refinery (Vietnam)
September, 10 2014
http://vietnamnews.vn/economy/259903/work-begins-on-southern-oil-refinery.html
 

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It's a matter of time before the Kra Canal becomes reality. All it takes is money, and China has it. It simply makes more economic sense to shorten the route between the Indian Ocean and the Pacific. Time and fuel savings in transporting goods, plus less fossil fuels burned and greenhouse gases emitted. The region's major trading nations are not in S.E. Asia; they're in North-East Asia – why choose a route that's 1,200 km longer?

Singapore's days as an entrepôt port are numbered. There's really nothing special we can offer to the world except a safe deep-water harbour as a port of exchange. We are not a major manufacturing base, and our consumer imports in absolute terms are miniscule because of our small domestic market.


[FONT=open_sansregular]For the uninitiated, the canal in question is Thailand’s Kra Isthmus Canal, or simply known as the Kra Canal.
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[FONT=open_sansregular]Unlike the Suez Canal depicted in the photograph above, the Kra Canal does not exist yet. For centuries (yes, centuries), the Thais have been mulling about the possibility of building a deep-water canal cutting through Thailand’s long peninsula to link the Indian Ocean with the South China Sea.
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[FONT=open_sansregular]If the Kra Canal is built, it will cut the journey between the Indian Ocean and South China Sea by up to 1,200 km:
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Source: Picsora
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MOC between China and Thailand for the construction of Kra Canal signed
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[FONT=open_sansregular]Hong Kong news outlet Wen Wei Po reported on 17 May that China and Thailand have signed a Memorandum of Cooperation on the development of the Kra Canal.
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[FONT=open_sansregular]If nothing falls through, Kra Canal could be a reality in 10 years at the cost of US$21 billion. If nuclear and other technologies are used in the construction, the timeline could be shortened to 7 years but at a cost of US$36 billion.
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[FONT=open_sansregular]*Editor’s note: The correct figures are US$21 billion and US$36 billion, it was wrongly stated as US$210 billion and US$360 billion.*
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[FONT=open_sansregular]According to the report, the Kra Canal would be 102 km long, 400 m wide and 20 m deep. It would shorten the journey between the Indian Ocean and the Pacific Ocean by 1,200 km. Moving 100,000 tonnes worth of cargo through the canal will shorten the journey two to five days and save approximately US$350,000 in fuel cost.[/FONT]
 
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tonychat

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I love it... The demise of useless sinkieland.. The land of ball-lessness and stupidity.
 

aerobwala

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Composition skills by China IB no horse run.

克拉运河,战略意义非凡,对世界影响深远!

2015年5月19日,传来一则令国人既惊又喜的消息:近日,中泰在广州签署了“克拉运河”合作备忘录。据报道,中泰克拉基础设施投资开发有限公司董事长郭羿与亚洲联合投资集团董事局主席、泰国前总理、国防部长差瓦立·永猜裕上将就合作项目共同召开发布会,在泰国王室秘书长派雍·素玛少将的见证下,对泰国克拉运河投资建设等项目进行签约。

然而,就在大家都很兴奋之时,中国外交部却立刻对外表示,这事与中国政府无关,中国政府没有参与。接下来,泰国大使馆新闻处也正式回复新京报记者,称经与泰方沟通并核实信息,使馆方面认为,这项协议签署双方是民间组织,并非现任政府官员,他们应该是在研究这项合作的可能性。

什么是克拉运河?

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为何中泰两国官方对此都讳莫如深?挖克拉运河对中国又有什么战略意义?对世界格局又将产生什么影响呢?请听占豪(微信号:zhanhao668)逐一分解。

规划中的克拉运河,位于泰国湾、泰国春蓬府和拉廊府的一段狭长地带,是马来半岛北部的最狭窄处。这个狭窄处宽只有56公里,北部连着中南半岛、南部接马来群岛,向南约400公里都是泰国的领土,最高海拔只有75米。其位置特别适合开挖联通两洋的人工运河。

根据克拉运河的规划,运河长102公里,宽400米,双向航道,水深25米。建成后,印度洋与中国南海将在泰国湾联通,船只可从中国南海直接进入印度洋,不必再穿过咽喉要道马六甲海峡。这也意味着,从中国南海到印度洋,可以节省航程大约1200公里。

中泰两国政府为何讳莫如深

中泰两国第一时间都否认这事和政府有关,把这事归于两国民间的合作,是一个非常理性务实的应对。为什么这么说呢?

因为,克拉运河的开凿不仅仅是一个规模宏大、耗时很长的大型工程,它的开挖将会对地缘政治产生巨大影响,甚至直接影响整个世界。如今,项目还处在意向性的沟通和讨论方面,在这种时候政府如果直接参与将会惹出麻烦,包括美国、新加坡、马来西亚、印尼等受影响的国家,都会对此表示严重关切,并会向中国施加政治压力。如果事还没做,就迎来巨大政治压力,那么这事就不好继续操作下去了。但是,如果只是民间合作,那么政府就可以推给企业,而他国政府是管不了企业合作的,何况这两家中泰企业又没有其它业务,就是为挖运河而成立,制裁都没有对象,也无效。

所以,政府现在直接否认是为了避嫌,是为了推脱,为事情顺利推进。这一点,也是跟西方人学的,美国人时常以企业行为推脱政府不能干预,如今终于以彼之道还施彼身了。作为中国人,看到这些真的觉得透心地爽!

对这事,中方代表人咱不清楚其身份,但背后企业却已经初露端倪,据报道包括柳工集团、三一重工、徐工科技等国有和私有企业都有参与,他们将通过北部湾的金融租赁公司向相关项目租赁相关设备。泰国方面的人更是实实在在,一个是前总理、陆军上将、前国防部长,一个是现任王室秘书长、泰军少将。从这二人身份可以看出,他们完全是官方背景,代表的就是泰国政府和泰王,比中国官方多了。所以,这里什么意思大家都明白,只是大家虽然都明白也没辙,因为这是民间的企业合作行为,你任何国家也顶多表示关切,又能如何?只要中泰两国不吃那一套,这事就能推进。

如果大家注意,早先有过炒作的尼加拉瓜运河更有趣,中国政府还直接对外公开警告风险,但那个不知来头的中国公司,却和尼加拉瓜总统热络得很。当然,这事要干可比克拉运河难度更大,因为是在美国后院的拉美,美国有随时终止其运作的能力。而且,吊轨的是,尼加拉瓜与中华人民共和国政府根本没有建交,他们仍然和对岸中华民国保持着外交关系。当然,相比克拉运河,尼加拉瓜运河的运作难度更大,所以由民间主导运作和推进反而可能出奇效。不过,只要中国和巴西、秘鲁政府合作的两洋铁路开通了,尼加拉瓜运河可能就有了突破的时机,这是后话咱们暂且不提。


挖克拉运河的战略意义

一、解“马六甲”战略之困。

我们知道,“马六甲”之困一直是中国一块心病,因为那是从印度洋到南海的唯一通道,在那里既有东南亚大国印尼,又有美国盟友新加坡,还有美国的军事基地。可以说,如果美国在这里卡住中国,相当于卡住了中国经济的咽喉,中国与世界各国贸易的绝大部分都从这里进出。某种程度上说,这事战略性风险。

如果克拉运河挖通了,这就意味着卡死马六甲将没有任何意义,因为有克拉运河作为替代。由于克拉运河在泰国境内,距离中国南沙群岛很近,陆上未来泛亚铁路也能到达这里,中国对这里将来会有绝对的掌控力,美国或其它国家将没有能力锁住克拉运河。

所以,克拉运河修通,意味着解了中国的马六甲之困的解除。

二、中国保障贸易航线安全的能力将大幅提升。

中国在南沙群岛正在大规模填海造岛,那里将会有中国大规模的军事基地群。未来,中国在印度洋也会有不少军事基地,譬如斯里兰卡、巴基斯坦、马尔代夫等,都将会有中国的军港。如此一来,克拉运河一旦挖通,则中国从南海到印度洋,沿途都将有中国海军的强大存在,谁再想截断中国的海运贸易通道将不再有可能。如此,中国保障贸易航线安全的能力将大幅提升。

三、降低缅甸印度洋通道的战略价值。

最近缅甸如此猖狂,炸死、炸伤我边民,中国一直未能表示强硬,很重要的原因之一就是缅甸是当前中国进入印度洋的重要陆路通道,中国不想失去这一通道。如果克拉运河修通,巴基斯坦到印度洋的通道修通,缅甸这个无赖国家哪还有资格跟中国耍横?当然,哪怕现在,中国也没有理由让缅甸耍横,泱泱大国治一个炮弹都不怎么会生产的缅猴手段大把,只是有些人······(此处省略一本书)

只要克拉运河修通了,中国的贸易航线牢牢控制在自己手里了,又有巴基斯坦的陆路通道,那么再有人说不该收拾缅甸这个无赖国家,就没有理由了。

四、减少航线长度,节省航运成本。

修通了克拉运河,节省航线1200公里,自然能够节省成本。可能有人说,运河是收费的,所以成本也节省不少云云,他们可能没想过这个运河至少一半利益都到中国了。何况,战略利益哪里是单件事的经济利益可以衡量的。

五、中国东盟经济融合速度将加速。

克拉运河修通了,贸易航道改变,对泰国、越南、柬埔寨都有好处,特别是当泛亚铁路也修到那里之后,陆路和海陆联通,这不但意味着经济贸易的快速发展,更意味着中国和东盟的经济融合速度将加速。

克拉运河对世界地缘政治的战略影响

克拉运河修通,显然会对地缘政治产生战略性影响,占豪(微信号:zhanhao668)的看法是,这种影响很大程度上不但是地域性的,更是全球性的。

地域性影响:

克拉运河修通后,显然马六甲的战略意义将大打折扣。如此,过去靠扼守马六甲而崛起的鼻屎大的国家——新加坡,其地缘战略地位将大大下降,包括印尼、马来西亚、菲律宾的地缘战略地位都会因为克拉运河的通航而发生大幅改变。对中国来说,这种改变当然是非常有利的,因为这些国家再以此来与中国讨价还价就没有筹码了。譬如鼻屎国家再想“携美自重”就再没机会了。没了美国撑腰,这些小喽啰们也就该抱中国大腿了。

当然,对泰国来说,这简直是一个天大的喜事,过去那些只有新加坡、马来西亚、印尼才能享受到的利益,如今泰国就可以享受到了。有了这个航道,通过的将不仅仅是货轮,更会加速泛亚铁路会的铺设,泰国经济的未来那可是因此而前途光明。这就是为何泰王室如此大力促进中泰深化合作的根本原因,也是为何不管是英拉还是巴育,谁上台都和中国加深合作的逻辑。

当然,修克拉运河可不仅仅是利于中国和泰国。鉴于中国经济的发展和中国、东盟经济的整合,克拉运河修通后同样有利于东南亚各国,特别是某大国不再捣乱后,中国和东盟国家的经济发展将会更好。一个13亿多人口的巨大市场,那将给东南亚国家带来蓬勃发展的巨大动力。

全球影响:

我们知道,包括新加坡、泰国、菲律宾都是美国的盟友,新加坡有美国的军事基地,扮演着扼守马六甲的角色。而菲律宾,已将美军重新引进了南海,为的是遏制中国在南海的影响力,从而实现对华“携美自重”。如果克拉运河修通,再加上中国在南沙群岛的军事基地,美国在菲律宾的军事基地存在的意义就将大打折扣,美国在新加坡的军事基地更是废了,那美国在南海存在意义恐怕就没有了。所以,运河自然会影响整个西太平洋、印度洋的地缘战略生态。而且,如此一来,美国再搞那么多驻军、军事基地,将可能是件很不划算的事情,美国将很难再支撑其在世界各地大规模军事部署的费用。在这种背景下,全球格局自然会因此发生一些深刻影响。

很显然,克拉运河的开挖,一定会引来包括美国在内的相关国家阻挠,这是必然的。但是,鉴于这对中国和泰国的战略意义太大,中国和泰国一定会不断推进。对这一战略工程,有条件要上,没条件创造条件也要上,一定要尽快挖通克拉运河,解中国战略之困,拆某些国家在南海针对中国的阴谋祸胎!
 

Agoraphobic

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???????????????????????

Why? Why do you want Peesai to be destroyed? What has Peesai done to you to make you detest Singapore so much?

Cheers!

ok..it means they are building one...nice man,

i want that to be built and destroy sinkieland!!!!!
 

laksaboy

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Other than obvious monetary benefits from reduced travelling time, I think the Kra Canal also serves strategic interests.

China has been wrestling its military muscle in the South China Sea and making territorial claims. You might have heard news of China reclaiming islands.

China has a naval port in Pakistan.
 

eErotica69

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I love it... The demise of useless sinkieland.. The land of ball-lessness and stupidity.

Slowly wait lah. Is likely that you and your ball-less family in jiu hu all die already, they still talking about digging the Kra canal.
 
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