Will happen any time soon, Russia NATO WAR, Turk F-16 intercepted Sukhoi

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34441201

Syria conflict: Turkish jets 'intercept Russian plane'

5 October 2015
From the section Europe

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Turkish F-16 fighter jets have been scrambled after a Russian warplane violated Turkey's air space on Saturday, the foreign ministry says.

The Russian fighter plane "exited Turkish airspace into Syria" after being intercepted, the ministry said.

The Turkish foreign minister has spoken to his Russian counterpart, as well as ministers from other Nato countries.

Russia has been carrying out air strikes in Syria in support of President Bashar al-Assad.

The Russian embassy in Ankara said a Russian plane did violate Turkish airspace, and Russia has "explained it" to Turkey, Russian news agency Interfax reports.

A Kremlin spokesman in Moscow did not confirm the incident however, saying:

"Our ambassador was called to the foreign ministry and given a note, which mentions certain facts, which will be checked."

The Russian air campaign began on Wednesday with Moscow insisting it was targeting Islamic State (IS) positions. But Syrian activists say Russian planes have also targeted other Syrian groups opposed to President Assad.

On Monday Russia said it had "continued performing pinpoint strikes" on IS targets in Syria, carrying out 25 sorties and hitting nine IS targets.

Among those targets was a communications centre in Homs, and a command centre in Latakia, it said.

Nato said its Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg would meet the Turkish Foreign Minister Feridun Sinirlioglu at the organisation's headquarters in Brussels later on Monday.
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Last week Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan described the Russian intervention in Syria as a grave mistake that would further isolate Moscow.

Saturday's interception took place south of the Yayladagi/Hatay region, Turkey says.

The foreign ministry in Ankara summoned the Russian ambassador to issue a "strong protest" against the incident, it said.

The UK ambassador to Turkey described the incursion as "reckless and worrying" and said Nato allies stood "shoulder to shoulder" with Turkey.

Fun! When Russian pilots are all already in happy missile triggering mood hitting Syria, they can easily also trigger a SPLASH on NATO lossy jets which are so inferior. Just see it as a tiny part of the major Putin onslaught. Tell Obama to call it Collateral Damages like Pentagon always love to use the same term. HUAT!

F 16 v Sukhoi..............which one will win??

nkfnkfnkf said:

Fun! When Russian pilots are all already in happy missile triggering mood hitting Syria, they can easily also trigger a SPLASH on NATO lossy jets which are so inferior. Just see it as a tiny part of the major Putin onslaught. Tell Obama to call it Collateral Damages like Pentagon always love to use the same term. HUAT!

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Reminded me when USA remote warrior "mis targetted" & hit China Embassy in Bosnian ?? war..........

Hans168 said:

Reminded me when USA remote warrior "mis targetted" & hit China Embassy in Bosnian ?? war..........

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A bunch of Chinese specialists were at the embassy which was deliberately targeted. It has all to do with the American F-117 that got shot down in that Bosnia War. Chinese acquired parts from the wreckage and specialists work with those who shot it down. US bombed embassy to prevent Chinese from getting the critical ability to shot down American so called STEALTH war planes. Now they stealth are already rendered to be non-stealth by newest Chinese and Russian radars and missiles. US strategic advantage became an air supremacy shot-coming due to the performance suffered by ex-stealth design compromises - lower speed shorter range lesser payload and lower operational ceiling.

http://m.sohu.com/n/556404573/?wscrid=1150_6


美国务卿克里警告俄：土耳其或击落入侵俄战机
10-06 07:53 中国青年网
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【环球网综合报道】美国国务卿克里5日警告称，俄罗斯战机“入侵”北约成员国土耳其领空，可能造成冲突扩大，而土耳其为维护主权采取行动，有可能将俄机击落。

土耳其总理达武特奥卢此前警告称，无论是谁侵犯土国领空，安卡拉当局都将启动交战规则。他说：“土耳其武装部队已接获明确指示，即使是只飞鸟都将被拦截。”

　延伸阅读：土耳其称俄战机侵犯其领空

据新华社电 土耳其外交部5日发表声明称，俄罗斯战机日前侵犯靠近叙利亚的土耳其领空，土方因此向俄方提出“强烈抗议”。

声明说，事件发生在3日。土耳其紧急派出两架F-16战斗机巡视拦截，俄战机随后离开土领空进入叙利亚。土耳其外交部为此召见俄罗斯驻土大使表示“强烈抗议”。

声明称，土耳其外长瑟纳尔勒奥卢还就此打电话给俄罗斯外长拉夫罗夫，并向美国、法国、意大利、英国、德国等国外长和北约秘书长通报了这起事件。

俄罗斯总统新闻秘书佩斯科夫5日表示，俄方将对土方抗议中的信息进行核实。在被问及事件会否对两国关系产生不良影响时，佩斯科夫表示，俄土关系是多方位的，具有坚实的互利基础。

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...own-russian-planes-that-stray-from-syria.html



TURKEY THREATENS TO SHOOT DOWN RUSSIAN PLANES THAT STRAY FROM SYRIA
BY THOMAS SEIBERT 10.05.1511:43 AM ET
ISTANBUL — As Russian warplanes fly over Syria, neighboring NATO member Turkey says its fighter jets could open fire on them if they stray into Turkish airspace. The threat is serious and highlights the danger of a direct military confrontation between Russia and its old Cold War adversaries, including not just Turkey but the United States.

Tensions between Ankara and Moscow over Russia’s stepped-up military involvement in the Syrian war escalated sharply*on Monday*when Turkey revealed two of its F-16 fighters intercepted a Russian jet that had crossed into Turkish airspace over the town of Yayladagi in the border province Hatay.

The two countries are rivals in the Syrian conflict, with Turkey calling for an end to the rule of Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad and Russia presenting itself as Assad’s most important ally.


Turkey Scrambles F-16s After Russia Violates Airspace
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“Our rules of engagement are clear, whoever it is,” Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told private broadcaster Haberturk. “Even if a bird violates Turkey’s borders, necessary steps will be taken.” He added that Russia had assured Turkey that the airspace violation had been a mistake and would not happen again.*Turkish military officials in Moscow were told by Russian officials a “navigation error” had led the pilot to leave Syrian airspace, Turkish media reported.
Turkey’s foreign ministry summoned the Russian ambassador over the incident that happened around*noon*local time on October 3.

“The Russian aircraft exited Turkish airspace into Syria after it was intercepted by two F-16s from the Turkish Air Force, which were conducting patrols in the region,” the ministry said. The ambassador was warned that, should another incident like that happen again, “the Russian Federation will be responsible for any undesired incident that may occur,” a clear warning that Russian jets could come under fire next time.


Turkish Foreign Minister Feridun Sinirlioglu called his Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov to protest against the airspace violation and asked NATO General Secretary Jens Stoltenberg for a meeting that was scheduled to take place later*on Monday. The U.S. and other NATO countries have deployed Patriot anti-missile defense system near the Turkish border with Syria, although the weapons are due to be withdrawn from Turkey this month.

In the unlikely but not impossible event that Turkish and Russian aircraft open fire on each other, or planes from either country are downed by anti-aircraft missiles on the ground, the chances of escalation are serious. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is facing tough new elections and cannot look weak. Russian President Vladimir Putin has taken a major gamble launching Russia’s first official expeditionary operation since Afghanistan in the 1980s. He could suffer a dangerous loss of face if one of his aircraft is shot down.

Meanwhile, the U.S. and other NATO members could be drawn in under Articles 5 and 6 of the NATO treaty, which commits them to defend all members of the alliance.

“Even if a bird violates Turkey’s borders, necessary steps will be taken.”
Even before the latest confrontation, the skies near the Turkish-Syrian border were extremely tense, with Syria, Russia, Turkey, and the U.S.-led coalition forces flying in the area. American warplanes have been operating recently out of Turkey’s Incirlik Air Base, a NATO site that is only about 100 miles from the base at Latakia, Syria, being used by the Russians.

In another incident, unidentified MiG-29 jets locked their radar onto two other Turkish F-16s that were on a routine flight along the border, the Turkish military said. The MiGs were likely to be have been Syrian aircraft, as there are no MiG-29s among Russia’s warplanes in Syria, according to U.S. officials.

Last week, a Turkish security official told Reuters that Turkish radar had locked onto another Russian warplane that was bombing Syrian targets near the border, adding that the Russian jet would have been attacked by Turkish fighters if it had crossed into Turkish airspace.


Following an incident in 2012, when Syrian air defense batteries shot down a Turkish surveillance jet, killing the two pilots, Ankara toughened the rules of engagement for its military units along the Syrian border. Under the new guidelines, Turkish jets shot down a Syrian military helicopter near the border in 2013 and a Syrian warplane in 2014. In May this year, Turkish jets brought down another Syrian aircraft. While Ankara said it was a helicopter, Damascus identified the aircraft as an unmanned drone.

Turkey has sharply criticized Moscow’s decision to launch airstrikes in Syria in support of Assad. Prime Minister Davutoglu, echoing criticism directed against Russia by the West, has said the Russian strikes hit Western-backed rebels of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and had helped to strengthen so-called Islamic State (ISIS) jihadists in Syria.

Russia says it is helping Assad to fight ISIS, but Western governments and news reports say there is hardly any ISIS activity in several areas bombarded by Russia thus far. Non-ISIS Islamic rebels who drove out Syrian government troops in recent months dominate the Syrian region close to Hatay province where the airspace violation of October 3 took place.


For Ankara, Russia’s intervention in Syria’s four-year-old war has thrown a wrench into several plans for the conflict across its southern border, especially a proposal to create a “safe zone” in northern Syria, one of the regions where Russian aircraft have started operations.

Officially, Ankara says this safe zone would secure the return of hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees who have streamed into Turkey and further on to the European Union. But observers say the real aim of the zone would be to thwart efforts by Syria’s Kurds, allies of the PKK Kurdish rebel group inside Turkey, to set up an independent state in Syria.

It is unlikely that Russia, a world power and one of the UN Security Council’s five permanent members, would agree to the Turkish plan. Moscow has said it will not agree to the creation of a no-fly zone over Syria, a vital part of the Turkish plan to organize a safe zone on the ground.

A day after the incident involving the Russian jet became public Erdogan, clearly frustrated, slammed Russia’s involvement in Syria as a “grave mistake” as well as “quite unacceptable” and “worrying and disturbing.”

For Erdogan, anger over Putin’s actions in Syria is personal. Only two months ago, Erdogan confidently told Turkish reporters he saw a change in Russia’s long-standing support for Assad and that Moscow could be about to “drop” the Syrian president, Turkey’s arch-foe. When Russia then strengthened its support for Assad, Erdogan said Putin had told him different things behind closed doors.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...o-Turkey-airspace-no-accident-warns-Nato.html



Russia deliberately targeting CIA-backed rebels in Syria, says US





By Andrew Marszal, and AFP, video source NATO TV
12:43PM BST 06 Oct 2015
American officials claim Russia bombing of US-backed Syrian rebels intentional as Nato warns over incursions into Turkish airspace

Russia is deliberately bombing CIA-backed rebels in Syria, US officials have claimed for the first time, as Nato warned that two incursions by Russian jets into Turkish airspace were also "no accident".

US officials said on Monday that Russian bombing of America's allies in Syria was part of a strategy intended to bolster the Assad regime by going its moderate opponents, rather than targeting terrorist groups such as Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil.)

“On day one, you can say it was a one-time mistake,” a senior U.S. official reportedly told the Wall Street Journal. “But on day three and day four, there’s no question it’s intentional. They know what they’re hitting.”

The strategy is part of a direct challenge to President Barack Obama's Syria policy, the anonymous officials claimed.

Russia insists that its air campaign in Syria is targeted only at Isil and other terrorist groups such as Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qaeda's Syrian affiliate.

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The comments by US officials came as Nato warned that incursions by Russians jets into Turkish airspace on two separate occasions at the weekend were "no accident".

Turkey has summoned Russia's ambassador for a second time to complain about its air force's activities.

"This is not an accident, this is a serious violation," Jens Stoltenberg, the Nato secretary-general, told a press conference in Brussels. "The violation lasted for a long time compared to previous violations of airpsace we have seen elsewhere in Europe."


Jens Stoltenberg, the Nato secretary-general

The Russian embassy in Ankara said Moscow was looking into the claims.

The violation on Sunday appears to have been the second in as many days after Turkey said its fighter jets intercepted a Russian warplane close to the Syrian border on Saturday, forcing it to turn back.


Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu on Monday warned that Ankara would activate military "rules of engagement" irrespective of who violates its airspace.

"Even if it is a flying bird it will be intercepted," Mr Davutoglu said in an interview with Turkish television.



The Turkish military said on Monday that two Turkish F-16 jets were harassed by an unidentified MIG-29 aircraft on the Syrian border on Sunday.

"Two F-16 jets were harassed by a MIG-29 plane - whose nationality could not be identified - for a total of five minutes and 40 seconds," the army said in a statement.

nkfnkfnkf said:

A bunch of Chinese specialists were at the embassy which was deliberately targeted. It has all to do with the American F-117 that got shot down in that Bosnia War. Chinese acquired parts from the wreckage and specialists work with those who shot it down. US bombed embassy to prevent Chinese from getting the critical ability to shot down American so called STEALTH war planes. Now they stealth are already rendered to be non-stealth by newest Chinese and Russian radars and missiles. US strategic advantage became an air supremacy shot-coming due to the performance suffered by ex-stealth design compromises - lower speed shorter range lesser payload and lower operational ceiling.

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similar stuff to do with the MAS plane shot down in Indian Ocean........ rumoured that it was carrying a top secret war device or machine gotten from Afghanistan on the way to China........... din surprise me that gringos stop at nothing to prevent Chinoise from getting info they needed to win wars

Go look at the youtube. The Russians r far from pinpoint accuracy from laser guided missiles. Almost 100m different from target. If true will means they need bigger payload. N open skies for stinger to shoot them down.

virus said:

Go look at the youtube. The Russians r far from pinpoint accuracy from laser guided missiles. Almost 100m different from target. If true will means they need bigger payload. N open skies for stinger to shoot them down.

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Nevermind, most unlike US, Russian are not afraid to have own deaths, losses, MIA, KIA, POW in wars. No rubbish high value of human lives (hypocrisy) necessary. Soldiers are for dying in wars same as all soldiers in the history. America wrongly modified that, so they will lose wars all the way.

http://theaviationist.com/2015/10/06/mig-29-locked-on-tuaf-f-16s/


MYSTERY DEEPENS AS “UNIDENTIFIED MIG-29 FULCRUM” LOCKS ON A TURKISH F-16 AGAIN
Oct 06 2015 - 47 Comments

By David Cenciotti
IT HAS HAPPENED AGAIN….A TURKISH AIR FORCE F-16 WAS LOCKED ON BY AN “UNIDENTIFIED” MIG-29.
As already reported, on Oct. 3 and 4 October the Turkish airspace was violated by Russian Air Force Su-30SM and Su-24 aircraft in the Hatay region.

During the first incident, the Russian Su-30SM (initially referred to as a Mig-29 by the Turkish military) maintained a radar lock on one or both the F-16s for a full 5 minutes and 40 seconds before the aircraft departed the Turkish airspace. As explained, this was a rather unusual incident: violations occur every now and then, but usually aircraft involved in the interception do not lock on the “target” in order to prevent dangerous situations.

Well it happened again on Oct. 5 and, to make the whole story more mysterious, it looks like the aircraft was identified as a Mig-29 from an unidentified nation/air force.

Accoridng to the Turkish General Staff, the Mig-29 locked on at least one of 8 TuAF F-16s performing CAP (Combat Air Patrol) on the border with Syria. What is more, the lock on lasted four minutes and 30 seconds.

Considered that the Russian Air Force has not deployed Mig-29s to Syria and assuming that the Turkish Air Force has properly identified the aircraft harassing its F-16s on border patrol, it’s is safe to believe the aircraft involved in the last incident was a Syrian Mig-29 “visiting” the TuAF aircraft in CAP station (as already done in the past).

In both the Oct. 3 and Oct. 5 incidents what is also quite surprising is the length of the lock on: both the Su-30SM and the Mig-29 (provided these were involved in the two close encounters) used their radars to paint the Turkish planes possibly exposing to several intelligence gathering platforms details about their systems. Indeed, if the Mig-29 is a very well-known weapons system, the emissions of the RuAF Su-30SM N011M Bars-R radar can be considered extremely interesting to both the TuAF, Israeli AF and NATO planes with ESM (Electronic Support Measures) capabilities.

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By the way, what is probably a Boeing 737 Peace Eagle airborne early warning & control (AEW&C) aircraft can be spotted every now and then on Flightradar24.com circling at high altitude over southern Turkey, most probably monitoring the movements of the Russian and Syrian planes while collecting some intelligence data as well.

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That said, why are the Turkish unable to determine nationality of the Mig? With all the ISR (Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance) aircraft focusing on the airspace of northwestern Syria it is at least weird that a positive identification of the aircraft was not achieved. And isn’t it strange that the one later IDed as a RuAF Su-30SM was initially referred to as an “unidentified Mig-29”? Maybe the Russian Su-30SMs (the only aircraft belonging to the Russian contingent that have not been repainted with the Red Star insignia yet) and the Syrian Mig-29s are flying missions along the border with Turkey together making identification more difficult? Unlikely, considering once again the amount of allied AEW (Airborne Early Warning) aircraft in the vicinity.

Anyway, close encounters do not only involve Turkish and Syrian/Russian aircraft.

In the last few days U.S. F-16s from Incirlik came within 20 miles of RuAF Su-34s: reminder that the airspace over Syria is becoming incresingly “hot.”

Many thanks to Guglielmo Guglielmi for discovering the Turkish E-7 on FR24 and to Arda Mevlutoglu for sending us some heads-up about this developing story.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-as-moscow-steps-up-air-strikes-a6683766.html



Russia in Syria: Russian radar locks on to Turkish fighter jets as Moscow steps up air strikes against opposition targets

Nato Secretary-General says actions are 'very serious -*even dangerous' after*Turkish military claims*eight of its F-16 fighters patrolling the Syrian border had been threatened by a Mig-29 and later by an anti-aircraft missile system
Patrick Cockburn @indyworld Tuesday 6 October 2015 21:13 BST26 comments





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As Russian air stikes in Syria intensify, a SU-24M jet fighter takes off from a Syrian airbase AP
Turkey said that radar used by Russian aircraft and its surface-to-air missile systems in Syria locked on to Turkish jets as the Russian air campaign intensifies against opposition targets.

The Turkish military said that eight Turkish F-16 fighters patrolling the Turkish Syrian border had been threatened by a Mig-29 and later by an anti-aircraft missile system. In both cases the threat consisted only of Russian use of radar for a limited period, but the Nato Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said that Russian actions were “very serious – even dangerous”. “It doesn’t look like an accident, and we’ve seen two of them over the weekend.”

Meanwhile, Russian air strikes are increasing in number against targets in territory held by Isis. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said that in the past 24 hours there were 34 air strikes in Palmyra which was captured by Isis on 22 May. The attacks are said to have killed 15 fighters and destroyed 10 vehicles. Air strikes against Raqqa, the Isis de facto capital in Syria, killed two fighters, while other raids took place north of Aleppo and close to Latakia.



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It is still not clear how far Russian air strikes are being launched with the aid of forward air observers on the ground calling in an attacks on precisely identified targets. The US-led air campaign against Isis has been at its most effective when acting in collaboration with the Syrian Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) whose commanders can give the exact co-ordinates of a target. Even so, Isis forces as a whole have not been defeated by the US air campaign, even if they have suffered heavy casualties.*


Russian naval landing ship Azov sails in the Bosphorus, on its way to the Mediterranean Sea, in Istanbul, on Tuesday (Reuters)
The friction between Russia and Turkey complicates an already highly complicated situation on the Syrian-Turkish border. This is 550-miles long and about half of it is now held by the YPG, which is threatening to move west of the Euphrates River and capture the last Isis border crossing with Turkey at Jarabulus.It might also attack Isis and other Syrian opposition forces north of Aleppo and link up with a Kurdish enclave at Afrin. *

A further extension of Syrian Kurdish control, particularly if aided by US air strikes, would be a blow to Ankara. It still maintains a relationship with Jabhat al-Nura, the al-Qaeda affiliate, and the hard-line Sunni Islamic group, Ahrar al-Sham, which had been advancing in Idlib and Latakia, but is coming under Russian air attack. *

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Whatever Turkey’s intentions in Syria since the start of the uprising in 2011, it was not to see the Syrian Kurds gain control of a band of territory across its southern frontier. A Turkish ground invasion into Syria, though still a possibility, would now be riskier with Russian aircraft operating in areas where Turkey would be most likely to launch an incursion.*

Putin ready to SPLASH SPLASH SPLAH NATO warplanes off the sky. Shotdown over ISIS zone to let ISIS burn the F-16 pilots alive inside dog cages.


Obama better send more pilots, and preparation for military funerals.

These two giants (US and Russia) are too big to risk a war with each other. However, if this imaginary conflict escalades, Russian troops are more likely to defect than their Yankee counterparts.

Cheers!

nkfnkfnkf said:

Nevermind, most unlike US, Russian are not afraid to have own deaths, losses, MIA, KIA, POW in wars. No rubbish high value of human lives (hypocrisy) necessary. Soldiers are for dying in wars same as all soldiers in the history. America wrongly modified that, so they will lose wars all the way.

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Agoraphobic said:

These two giants (US and Russia) are too big to risk a war with each other. However, if this imaginary conflict escalades, Russian troops are more likely to defect than their Yankee counterparts.

Cheers!

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The whole thing you are saying is the TINY GUYS' very wrong consideration for the BIG GUYS WARS. As if they would bother to be considerate for interest of small tiny helpless guys. Actually they certainly don't.

They have their own big businesses and suvival to take care. They have big strengths and resources, big stakes to gain or lost, big population to feed.

Like two elephants to duel live and death would they give a shit if ants considered that elephats are too huge to risk a war which would unknowingly crushillion ants?

Two bull elephats are not aware of ants live and death, they will fight to decide who will have sex with the attractive female elephant waiting there. They will crush all the ant hills during their war, and unintentionally kill off most of the ant population. They are not aware nor considered anything about ants.


Being ants you can see and feel the greatest risks of your own existence, you have no strength to prevent, you have no say on the elephants war, you have everything to lose. You will not receive the attention of waring elephants. You can not dream that they will take your interest into considerations, you have no weight no size to seek even attention to your skyhigh crisis. It is the realistic brutal world, not Disneyland.


Ask yourself, weather there were any consideration of welfare and interest for Singaporean people's survival, during WWII, by the warring powers UK US Japs Germans? None of them will give any shit even if entire Sg island sank with zero survival! It's natural norm of eternity. Sorry no Disneyland Sesame Street！

USA and Russia (and every other country for that matter) will not go to war just because they dislike each other, nations don't battle each other because of some hatred, if they do (go to war), it is because of economics. If USA and Russia were to strike at each other because of say, ideological differences, it would have happened already during the Cuban Missile crisis. They have fought each other indirectly in proxy-wars (Korean War, Vietnam War), but will not risk a direct conflict with each other. They will annihilate each other should it come to that, and therefore will not. The weaponry they develop and manufacture serve two purposes - national pride, and sales.

As for Singapore during WW2, the lives of Singaporeans (or more accurately, residents of the colonies) was of secondary importance to the strategic position and prestige that Singapore was to the Crown. This realization helped further the nationalistic causes for independence after the war.

Cheers!

nkfnkfnkf said:

The whole thing you are saying is the TINY GUYS' very wrong consideration for the BIG GUYS WARS. As if they would bother to be considerate for interest of small tiny helpless guys. Actually they certainly don't.

They have their own big businesses and suvival to take care. They have big strengths and resources, big stakes to gain or lost, big population to feed.

Like two elephants to duel live and death would they give a shit if ants considered that elephats are too huge to risk a war which would unknowingly crushillion ants?

Two bull elephats are not aware of ants live and death, they will fight to decide who will have sex with the attractive female elephant waiting there. They will crush all the ant hills during their war, and unintentionally kill off most of the ant population. They are not aware nor considered anything about ants.


Being ants you can see and feel the greatest risks of your own existence, you have no strength to prevent, you have no say on the elephants war, you have everything to lose. You will not receive the attention of waring elephants. You can not dream that they will take your interest into considerations, you have no weight no size to seek even attention to your skyhigh crisis. It is the realistic brutal world, not Disneyland.


Ask yourself, weather there were any consideration of welfare and interest for Singaporean people's survival, during WWII, by the warring powers UK US Japs Germans? None of them will give any shit even if entire Sg island sank with zero survival! It's natural norm of eternity. Sorry no Disneyland Sesame Street！

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Agoraphobic said:

USA and Russia (and every other country for that matter) will not go to war just because they dislike each other, nations don't battle each other because of some hatred, if they do (go to war), it is because of economics. If USA and Russia were to strike at each other because of say, ideological differences, it would have happened already during the Cuban Missile crisis. They have fought each other indirectly in proxy-wars (Korean War, Vietnam War), but will not risk a direct conflict with each other. They will annihilate each other should it come to that, and therefore will not. The weaponry they develop and manufacture serve two purposes - national pride, and sales.

As for Singapore during WW2, the lives of Singaporeans (or more accurately, residents of the colonies) was of secondary importance to the strategic position and prestige that Singapore was to the Crown. This realization helped further the nationalistic causes for independence after the war.

Cheers!

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DIRECT WAR IS A MUST NOW. Can not dream of any form of reduction or masking. Toned-down proxy wars are for the superpowers to size each other up. Now it is not that same stage any longer. It is USA the ex-superpower being too weak and useless, and refused to let it's outdated status go. No need to size up any more. Have nothing else to do put put it down. DIRECTLY USING DEADLY BLOODY FORCES. The superpower change hand can not be delayed. USA used nuke to put down Japs. Russia needs nothing lesser to put down USA. 200X stronger means of war need to be used to state brute strength resolve and confidence.

You only do limited proxy wars to test out your opponents, to get a measurement of strength courage and confidence, these are routine checks. Now it is beyond checking, the answer is clear. It is the time to put to death the old and weak beast and replace it.

virus said:

Go look at the youtube. The Russians r far from pinpoint accuracy from laser guided missiles. Almost 100m different from target. If true will means they need bigger payload. N open skies for stinger to shoot them down.

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i heard USA just recently bombed a hospital with their laser guided smartbombs.

Agoraphobic said:

These two giants (US and Russia) are too big to risk a war with each other. However, if this imaginary conflict escalades, Russian troops are more likely to defect than their Yankee counterparts.

Cheers!

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ahahahaaha lmao,do you know how world war 2 was won?russians defect from their motherland?if it was usa holding the germans at bay at stalingrad,we would be finished.just like how pussy america lost every single war after world war 2.every war from korean war to vietnam war to middle east was a miserable tragedy.

8 to 10 million russian soldiers died on the battlefront compared to 400k american soldiers.and the pussy americans had to drop an atomic bomb cause they were afraid of dieing more.