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ST Kinetics to make weapons overseas, more lay offs coming.
- Thread starter Papsmearer
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Not about the profit. Its about the location of the facilities. It needs to be able to support the armed forces and not located so far off that in times of conflict, it cannot react
It still doesn't eliminate the need for foreign inputs even for small arms. Eg bullets you still need to import the gunpowder and steel.
The only justification i can think of is it cheaper to manufacture yourself than to buy the end products from foreign sources. And it added bonus if they can sell their products overseas.
There is always lead, copper, brass around the country in various manufacturing plants. They can requisition it or confiscate it from them if they have to. The same for the chemicals for the propellant. No one uses gunpowder and steel for the bullets anymore. But even if you can obtain all of the ingredients its useless when your plant is not even in the country.
I can guarantee you that if they set up an overseas weapons plant, they will be subsidizing it too, so some other country will benefit. Very few western countries will allow ST Kinetics to set up shop in their country because they want to protect their own arms companies. Also the unions in these companies are very strong and will lobby their govt to prevent this. Singapore weapons are not proven in combat, so its not like the western countries lan lan must have it. I mean if they make a 120mm smoothbore tank gun that is far superior then say Rheinmetall's gun, the world's army will beat a path to their door and welcome JVs with them to open factories in their country. But they don't have any such products.
That leaves them having to sell to countries that are third world pariahs like Myanmar and Fiji, etc. But these places are buying their weapons already super cheap from China and Russia, and have really no incentive to spend money on a JV for a weapons factory with ST Kinetics. These countries have a need for modern AFVs and IFVs both of which SIngapore has. But the problem is the components of these weapons are from the US or other western countries and they don;t allow it to be sold to such places.
Case in point, our AMX-13 SM1. We have hundreds of them. Some banana republic in Central America or Africa would welcome such a simple and economical tank in their army. But the problem is that the engine and transmission is from the US, and hence the US will not allow it to be sold there. So, in the end, its no sale and it would also apply to any factory that ST Kinetics wants to set up. The only thing ST Kinetics can do is to set up a factory to make say the SAR-21. Since its a Singapore weapon, it will not face any restrictions from the US or other countries. But the problem is the SAR-21 is at at least 3 times the price of a Chinese AK-47. Why would a 3 rd world country buy it?
I remember ST flogging the bionix to US Army who wanted a IFV that is light enough to be air drop from C130 around 2000s. We know that didn't work as US army opted for the wheeled Stryker despite bionix being half the price of a stryker. The US Army know a piece of shit when they see one.
Now change liao, flogging the terrex to USMC which itself copied from the stryker. Only turkey and SAF use the terrex, I don't think brunei sultan brought any terrex although he did acquired the bionix. looking the terrex exterior design, it sure look like a death trap against IEDs or even normal vehicle mine. being part of a group of defense contractors competing for the project DO NOT equal actual sales.
Terrex 2 is also shit a monstrosity which will never match GD or BAE.
the fucked up logic that we dun make steel..... therefore cheaper n better to make the whole product in land of purchase or use....... that is real fucking stupid coming from a EVP of ST............. if that is true all things here must be made elsewhere! why then do we need assholes like BG CHOY n BG Singh???? their birth rights???????????
the owners of the project....... bionix n terrex have already got their multi promotions long ago!!!
the stuff used in Syria is far more advanced than ST can ever make ....
it is like cross selling...........or what Ulf Deisenroth called Workshare........ ie give the contract, I will share the labour required with your company or country////////////
20 mm n 35 mm has medium carbon steel casings//////////
fucktard never understand that CIS was set up to meet local defence needs....... period
wear a bigger hat there will be a mis match in the world arena
wear a bigger hat there will be a mis match in the world arena
Apparently from what I have read, they are in the final round of selection for the USMC wheeled AFV contract with their US JV partner. The main problem that I see is that the USMC is going to ask them the following question : " If your wheeled Terrex is so good, why did you not buy it to replace your Cadillac gage V200 wheeled AFVs, instead you bought the Renault Higuard MRAP".
That would be the tough sell. If they don't even use their own products, why would they expect other countries to?
Yeah, like that we might as well abolish EDB. Why entice MNCs to invest here when we don't have any steel, oil, or cheap electricity, etc? This fucktard's logic is unfortunately SOP for the PAP elites and porlumpars. No sense of critical thinking at all.
Yes, but the vast majority of the individual weapons in the SAF are of the 5.56mm, 7.62mm, or 9mm calibre. all of which use full copper jacket over a lead core in a brass cartridge. So you need these materials first and above all, and fortunately, they are fairly common.
Not really. The small arms, RPGs, mines, arty rounds, mortar rounds, etc are all within the ST capability. Nothing I have seen in Syria is of the highly advanced type eg. UAV with laser designators lighting up targets for missiles or arty rounds equipped with receivers.
I wonder if they send a Terrex for the USMC trial with the Tarian anti RPG system fitted to the vehicle. That would have impressed the hell out of the Marines.
the only thing they managed to sell was the Bronco aka Warthog to the British. But now the Brits realised the stupid mistake they made and going back to BAE for a future design.
Epic fail.......
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