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indonesia to award high speed railway project to china.... japan is pissed

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Tokyo (AFP) - 'Japan said Tuesday its bid to build a major railway in Indonesia had been rejected with China instead to be awarded the project, slamming the decision as "extremely regrettable".

China and Japan had for months been vying to build a new railway in Indonesia, as Asia's two biggest economies increasingly battle for influence across the region.

Indonesia had originally invited bids for its first high-speed railway between the capital Jakarta and the mountain-fringed city of Bandung, but unexpectedly changed plans this month and opted instead for a cheaper and slower option on the same route.

China and Japan submitted new proposals. But Japan's top government spokesman Yoshihide Suga said an Indonesian government envoy had informed him Tuesday that Tokyo's bid had been rejected.'

it will cut through the slums in jakarta.....accidents waiting to happen. :eek:

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Japan is so 20th century. Even the Brits are going Chinese.

China wins stake in British nuclear power and high-speed rail


Hinkley Point C investment among £14bn worth of trade deals with Beijing, announced during Li Keqiang visit to UK
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British finance minister George Osborne argues that the high-speed HS2 rail link will boost economic development in the midlands and north of England (AFP Photo/Andy Wong)


China has been given the chance to take a decisive stake in the next stage of Britain's energy and transport infrastructure as Chinese companies won the right to own and operate a nuclear power station and to help build high-speed rail lines.

The agreements were among trade deals worth £14bn agreed with Beijing during the visit of the Chinese premier Li Keqiang, which prompted David Cameron to declare Britain is playing a part in the rise of China – which he called a defining event of the 21st century.

The two most controversial aspects of the deals will allow Chinese firms to own and operate a Chinese-designed nuclear power station and to build and operate rail lines in Britain. The Chinese have a mixed safety record on high-speed rail.

The prime minister said: "Ours is truly a partnership for growth, reform and innovation. Our partnership goes well beyond the economic field. The UK recognises that the rise of China is one of the defining events of our century.

"We welcome the fact that China's economic growth is lifting millions out of poverty. As premier Li noted yesterday, as China grows in economic power that brings greater responsibilities on the world stage."

The government moved to stem criticism of co-operation in the highly sensitive area of civil nuclear power by saying it is part of an overall agreement to tackle climate change. China and Britain also signed a joint statement on climate change.

In a Guardian article, the energy and climate change secretary Ed Davey writes: "Given the boost to low carbon electricity, to energy security and to jobs, the Chinese interest in taking forward investment at Hinkley Point C – the UK's first nuclear station in a generation – is hugely welcome.

"But equally important is that both China and the UK recognise that climate change is one of the greatest global challenges we face, and for the first time ever, the UK and China have released a joint statement, committing our governments to work even more closely together on a response to climate change.

"It's important because it is only the second time China has done this. The only other country with which China has agreed a statement on climate change is the US. This statement reflects the strength of our cooperation with China on climate change and low carbon."

In a joint statement about high-speed rail, the two governments said: "Both sides agree to promote substantive cooperation between the UK-China on rail, including high-speed rail in areas including design, engineering, construction, supply operation and maintenance on projects in China and the UK."

There were also major deals in energy. An £11.8bn BP gas supply contract was one of a series of deals unveiled by major UK firms during Li's visit.

The deal will provide state-owned China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC) with liquefied natural gas (LNG) for 20 years. Meanwhile, Royal Dutch Shell extended an agreement with CNOOC to work on energy projects around the world, including LNG.

The deals were signed at talks in Downing Streeti.

Shell chief executive Ben van Beurden said the partnership with CNOOC has been fruitful so far and the firms were "committed to growing the business together".

Meanwhile, engineering company Rolls-Royce signed a memorandum of understanding with Chinese nuclear reactor manufacturer SNPTC to cooperate on civil nuclear power projects in the UK and other markets.

The UK-based firm currently supplies emergency diesel generators to almost 40% of all nuclear reactors in China that are in operation or under construction and more than 70% of the safety-critical equipment. Jason Smith, Rolls-Royce's president of nuclear, said: "China represents one of the world's largest civil nuclear markets in which Rolls-Royce has been supplying safety-critical technology solutions for 20 years."

The company employs 55,000 staff in 45 countries, including almost 2,000 in China.

The London Stock Exchange also signed agreements with the Bank of China and the Agricultural Bank of China to strengthen the Chinese renminbi offshore market in the UK and to provide access to cash for Chinese companies. LSE chairman Chris Gibson Smith said: "London is the world's most international financial market and a natural partner to China in its ambitious global development."

In a personal touch, Cameron gave Li a copy of the shooting script for the first episode of Downton Abbey signed by the show's creator. Li had expressed interest in visiting Highclere Castle where the drama is shot. Cameron also gave Li a special £10 lunar gold coin – made by the Royal Mint and designed by the artist Wuon-Gean Ho – celebrating the Chinese year of the horse.

 
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Remember taking the train to get from Jakarta to Bandung & back. It took about 3 hours. The train I took was aircon & they provided a lunch box snack. Taking the train is more scenic than going by car using the highway.
 
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haha japan is so desperate to sell their 40 decade experience of shinkansen high speed rail technology and save their sinking ass but made in china is always the best!!!
 
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China has 16,000 km of high-speed rail network, more than the rest of the world combined. The world's longest high-speed rail line is also in China – the Beijing-Guangzhou line (2,300 km). That's why they can build high-speed rail systems cheaper than anyone in the world, even though they're relative latecomers to the game.

Japan, France and Germany were the industry leaders in the latter part of the 20th century. Now, no one even comes close to China, in terms of cost efficiency, length of track laid, and tunnel construction.

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Why China can build high-speed rail so cheaply

14 July 2014 | By Rod Sweet

In under a decade, China has built a high-speed rail network totalling more than 10,000km. It eclipses every other country’s high-speed network and even that of the entire European Union. Not only that, to build it China spent two-thirds or less what other countries have spent.

According to a World Bank paper published last week, China’s high-speed rail so far has cost between $17m and $21m per kilometre, even though it has a high ratio of big-ticket viaducts and tunnels. In Europe that figure is $25m-$39m per kilometre, while in California, the only US state currently planning a high-speed line, it’s more like $56m/km.

Some of the reasons are not surprising. For instance, in a country where according to the World Bank 978 million people lived on less than $5 a day in 2008, labour has been cheap.

And in an authoritarian state like China, the cost of moving people out of the way is low. The paper’s authors note that site work and right-of-way costs in litigious California are around $10m/km, or 17.6% of the total cost, while in China land acquisition and resettlement costs are below 8% of project cost.

But other reasons may be more interesting both to the developed world and to regions like Africa that are sorely in need of transformative infrastructure.

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The high-speed CRH380A train leaving Shanghai Hongqiao Station (Jucember/Wikimedia Commons)

For one thing, the sheer scale of China’s rail programme and the state’s firm commitment to it unleashed the country’s technical and manufacturing capabilities. The declaration of a credible plan to build 10,000 km of high-speed rail over six to seven years energised the construction and equipment supply community, the paper says. Assured of very high volumes, companies and state institutions ramped up capacity quickly and invested in innovative techniques.

“This,” writes Gerald Ollivier, a World Bank senior transport specialist and paper co-author, “has led to lower unit costs as a result of the development of competitive multiple local sources for construction (earthworks, bridges, tunnels, EMU trains etc.) that adopted mechanization in construction and manufacturing.

“Further, large volumes and the ability to amortize capital investment in high-cost construction equipment over a number of projects contributed to the lowering of unit costs.”

The Chinese government also has the clout to standardise designs – for embankments, track, viaducts, electrification, signalling and communication systems – which cuts cost and duplication of effort.

It also standardised construction techniques. Here, the paper’s authors admired the Chinese approach to viaducts. China built a lot of these to save scarce farmland or to leap over rivers and, even though they are expensive to build, the cost was kept down by standardising the design and manufacture of viaduct bridge beams.

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Beijing-Tianjin high speed railway bridge near Tianjin (Wuyouyuan/Wikimedia Commons)

Their span is standardised at either 24m or 32m and they are cast in temporary factories set up along the railway alignment. Each beam is transported no more than 8km by a specially-designed vehicle with up to 18 axles.

It was China’s handling of tunnels, however, that most impressed Ollivier et al. They noted that the Chinese system for tunnel construction resulted in a unit cost of $10m to $15m per kilometre, a fraction of what it costs New Zealand ($43m), the US ($50m), and Australia ($60m). The system allowed China to tunnel fast, as well, at a rate of five to 10 metres per day.

It’s little wonder, given its remarkable high-speed rail feat, that China is exporting its rail construction expertise all over the world, especially to Africa, and is even keen to help build the UK’s first significant high-speed rail network, dubbed HS2.

But could the benefits of the Chinese approach be realised in big, decentralised regions, like the Gulf, Africa as a whole, or the United States? It seems unlikely.

Access the World Bank report here
 
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wreckage of tiong high speed rail cars left to rust by viaduct...doesn't inspire confidence among passengers seated on the left watching down. :eek: :p

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how the fuck does other countries build high speed rails for less than $30 per meter when it cost us 3.2 bil to build a 5km expressway?almost $500,000 per meter,magic?
 
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greenie said:
Indon going to regret awarding the hsr to china.
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all it takes is one cow to go on the track, and there's no guarantee of prevention of humans or animals jumping on elevated tracks to navigate the jungle wilderness in 3rd world cuntries. this horrendous accident in china involved lightning strike taking out power on a section of rail.
 
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another nail in Abe's coffin............. he will stir more shit to distract attention away from him
it is this sort of arsehole who led japan to war of aggression....
 
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haha japan is so desperate to sell their 40 decade experience of shinkansen high speed rail technology and save their sinking ass but made in china is always the best!!!
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for many yrs they were as usual very secretive & protective of their technology (steal camera & other technologies from Germany & USA can...........) until now with maglev in China they want a piece of the pie
 
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Japanese wanted gshmn guarantee, china no need.
The proposal should have included from Jakarta to Surabaya and Semarang also. Java with a Population of 120 mil, is still undeveloped. The roads are so congested, it takes hours to go from one town to another. They should also ask for proposal for highway right across the java island from east to west.
 
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can nvr compete with China.......... in bulk their products sell at near material cost
their strategy is to strangle you with pricing.......... how they make money? simple just keep rolling & turning over; let suppliers carry the financial loads from which their razor thin profit come from!!

different biz model............ hard to beat!! Down with jappo!!
 
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