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winnipegjets

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There is no way to stop China’s free fall

Investors everywhere are looking for some reason — any reason — to forecast a reversal in China's markets.

The world's second largest economy has led the globe in a no-holds-barred sell-off over the past few days.

The Shanghai Composite, already weak from a punishing June and July, has erased all its gains for the year. This reflects a malaise in the wider, real economy. Chinese industrial data is flashing signs of danger the world hasn't seen since 2009.

The Chinese government is doing what it can to defend the yuan, which it devalued in response to anemic export numbers. We're already seeing that decision hit China's trading partners and competitors. Vietnam devalued its currency, the dong, last week.

Expect more responses and devaluations, but don't expect a rescue from the Chinese government.

The whole world is waiting for massive action from the Chinese government — a bazooka that can blast through all this market madness.

The problem is that it doesn't have one.

That's because China's growth model is broken, and it can't be fixed by cash injections or other emergency policy measures.

The old fixes won't work anymore.

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The incredible shrinking China
China's economy has been slowing for more than a year now. The government has tried to guide it through the difficult transition of being an economy based on investment to one based on domestic consumption.

This naturally meant that the economy slowed during the awkward period when exports and investment capital shrank and consumption rose. President Xi Jinping called it "the new normal" and warned politicians against calling for growth measures to get the economy going again.

The government also encouraged the Chinese people to enter the stock market as it restructured bloated state-owned enterprises and took other measures to liberalize the economy.

But then the market crashed.

"The ideal situation would be several years of a steady bull market to cover the restructuring phase," wrote Societe Generale analyst in a note last month. "Conversely, the worst-case scenario would be a stock-market crash before restructuring has even begun."

And that's what we're seeing right now. China's key economic indicators are flashing red. The old drivers of growth are shrinking faster than anyone expected, which is why the yuan was devalued to spur export growth.

"In our view, China’s structural growth deceleration is only half-way through and under the weight of debt and excess capacity, weakening investment demand will remain the main culprit,"Societe Generale's Wei Yao said in a note this weekend.

The new drivers of growth, like the service sector, aren't strong enough to create growth in a country so massive.

That means China has a lot to worry about at once.

It has to figure out how to stop its markets from crashing,
and ensure that heavily indebted danger-areas (like the property and construction sectors) remain liquid,
and keep the yuan at a level low enough to help exports (but not so low that capital starts pouring out of the country).

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Band-aids for bullet wounds
“They need to prop up market confidence,” Rob Carnell, chief international economist at ING Bank in London told Bloomberg.

“They’ll probably feel under pressure to do something which is not going to disappoint markets, but that will require them to come in large and eat up whatever ammunition they have left. If it only has a temporary effect, they’ll only look more vulnerable afterward.”

There are already signals from the Chinese government that a rate cut is coming, but there have already been three of those this year and they did little when conditions were better. Another rate cut will likely do less now that conditions are worse.

How much worse is the picture? Here's one stat: In the second quarter growth in China's financial sector contributed 17.4% to the country's GDP. According the Bloomberg economist Tom Orlik, the sector added 0.5% to China's Q2 GDP number.

That was mostly due to what was, until June, one of the most glorious rallies the world had ever seen as the China's stock indices climbed over 150%. Financial sector activity is expected to have slowed dramatically since the reversal.

That means the sector isn't going to be able to do the same heavy lifting it did in Q2.

So when Carnell said "come in large" he means really large — GDP saving large.

Now, China does have the "ammunition" Carnell refers to in the form of a $3.6 trillion pile of foreign exchange reserves. We've already talked about how that number, in an emergency, is likely a lot lower than it seems.

Yes, it's huge, but a lot of it is tied up in illiquid investments that aren't accessible right away.

What's more, capital is leaving the country at a rate unseen in China's history. In July alone $190 billion left China for safer shores.

Doomed
If China does use enough of its reserves to calm the market, it still has the gargantuan task of restructuring its corporate sector and defending the yuan. Using a mountain of cash as a band-aid isn't an option anymore.

What that means is that some of the weaker players in China's markets are likely doomed. The government will have to choose what it can and cannot save.
 

eatshitndie

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china is doomed and more chickens will run road. peesai, expect economic refugees swarming from tiongland.
 

winnipegjets

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they contribute their flavors to the production of newater. must look at the rear positive side.

You got recommendation for water filter? I don't want to drink Ah Tiong's urine. God knows what kind of stuff they consume and not everything in their pee is cleaned out before it becomes our drinking water.
 

quartz28

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china is doomed and more chickens will run road. peesai, expect economic refugees swarming from tiongland.

Eh..all the experts bro out there.....will the ah tiong swarm to here and increase the property price since they have nothing to bet in china?
 

garlic

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Eh..all the experts bro out there.....will the ah tiong swarm to here and increase the property price since they have nothing to bet in china?

Highly unlikely as firstly, with the stock market tank, there is less investment money available, OZ properties saw many withdrawals and deposit forfeiture after Chinese investors pull out due to this. Secondly, there are now tigher controls in place to prevent capital flight by the CCP and the tiongs are now even more afraid to transfer large sums abroad due to heavier scrutiny and lastly, their purchase suddenly became more expensive in the last 2-3 weeks due to the devaluation of RMB. Not to mention all the cooling measures in place to put SG lower down the list in terms attractiveness. Therefore, hold on to your property and ride this one out, it will take quite a while.
 

eatshitndie

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Eh..all the experts bro out there.....will the ah tiong swarm to here and increase the property price since they have nothing to bet in china?

for those who have transferred their ill-gotten gains to the u.s. and converted rmb to usd, they have powder dry and spending opportunities. the majority are in panic mode and clinging on to their dwindling cash piles and gold, too afraid of doing anything. since usd is strong relative to other currencies except for the euro, tiongs would illegally park their cash in either usd or euro. expect much counterfeit usd, especially in $100 bills, flowing back into the world soon as both tiongs and russkies are in currency pain. word of advice is treat every tiong as dishonest and unscrupulous and you'll be ok.
 

winnipegjets

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for the first time since deng's regime, there are rumors of eleven's cabinet losing confidence and faith among tiong power brokers, including retired diehards in the ccp.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/reason-believe-unthinkable-happening-chinas-175049017.html

We have reason to believe the unthinkable is happening to China's president

The one thing the West has taken for granted in China is that the Chinese Communist Party is unified behind its leadership.

But now, under the pressure of an economic slowdown and a stock market in free fall, we are likely seeing the CCP fracture in a way we've never seen before.

It seems some factions within the party are turning away from President Xi Jinping behind closed doors and at high-level retreats.

This is what we know.

Not known for subtlety
Nothing that's run in China's state-run media is there by accident, and in the last few weeks the government has been sending less-than-veiled messages to power brokers, especially retired officials, within the party.

The message is simple: Back off.

"It should become a norm for officials to relinquish their power after retirement," said an editorial published earlier this month in government mouthpiece The People's Daily.

The government has the means to take down whomever it thinks isn't falling in line. Xi Jinping's regime has been engaged in a far-reaching "anti-corruption" campaign for more than a year that many experts believe is his way of getting rid of any opposition and consolidating party power.

The People's Daily article made reference to that probe and cited Zhou Yongkang — the country's former security czar and the highest-level official to be taken down since the days of Mao Zedong — as an example of someone who didn't know how to relinquish his power.

He'll probably have time to figure it out from jail, where the 76-year-old will likely spend the rest of his days serving a sentence for corruption.

Meet "Guoping"
Then another editorial followed which openly called out people questioning China's attempt at economic reform known as "The New Normal." That was published across multiple publications, including the People's Daily.

The piece was signed by "Guoping," a pen name the government uses when it wants to get its point across.

"The New Normal" is the government's name for the inevitable slowdown that has come from China's transition from an economy based on investment to one based on consumption. It's a long-term reform play, and to many one that's long overdue.

But it comes with major pain. Xi Jinping had prepped his people for lower growth, but no one expected the slowdown would come so hard and fast.

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Some within the party, it seems, want Xi to turn back. The editorial last week was his way of saying "absolutely not."

"The in-depth reform touches the basic issue of re-configuring the lifeblood of this enormous economy and is aimed at making it healthier," said the editorial. "The scale of the resistance is beyond what could have been imagined."

The targets of the piece include not just retired officials, but also any official whose power has been weakened in the anti-corruption probe or who is upset about the austerity of "The New Normal."

Beijing-based political commentator Zhang Lifan told the South China Morning Post that the editorial was a sign that things were "not going well" and that a recent meeting of high-level party officials in the Hebei seaside resort of Beidaihe was tumultuous.

"Obviously they did not reach any consensus at the political activities in Beidaihe. Different groups are pursuing their own ways," he said. "This is a test of the leadership's ability to execute its mission."
 

tonychat

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That is what happens when you don't have the fundamentals.. Enjoy market crashes.. Happy times...
 

Boliao

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Time to buy. It's a bargain at these price points. The US market has been trashed and equities are going for cheap. Buy and see your value triple in the next 6-12 months. It's the moment I've been saving up for.
 

Tuayapeh

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Time to buy. It's a bargain at these price points. The US market has been trashed and equities are going for cheap. Buy and see your value triple in the next 6-12 months. It's the moment I've been saving up for.

What to buy dude?
 

winnipegjets

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Time to buy. It's a bargain at these price points. The US market has been trashed and equities are going for cheap. Buy and see your value triple in the next 6-12 months. It's the moment I've been saving up for.

Bargain? Sure or not?
 

laksaboy

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Good. If China's economy goes to hell we may finally see civil unrest and the Han Chinese pissing off back to their territories in China. No more 'autonomous regions'. :wink:

As for Ho Ching, I don't think she's fussed about how much she loses when there's an eternal cash cow to milk extra cash from: daft Sinkies. :wink:
 

Reddog

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The Shanghai Composite just returned to the same index number of 3500 (same as that of March 2015) and you long term wise investors panic /kpkb ?? Twits.
 
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