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PAP dream that town council election issue will win hearts of voters

Leepotism

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Town councils set to be major election issue





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Ms Sylvia Lim (above) rose twice to clarify that its auditors said AHPETC's latest set of accounts, except for certain specific issues, had complied with the Town Council Act.


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Battle for hearts and minds as 2 ministers cross swords with 2 WP MPs over finances




His tone was measured but his words sharp as Deputy Prime Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam took the Workers' Party (WP) to task yesterday for the state of its town council's accounts, saying "the whole house of AHPETC's finances is unsafe".
With election season in full swing and yesterday's sitting likely to be this Parliament's last before the coming polls, Mr Tharman came well prepared to hammer home the opposition party's financial failings.
Opposition members came prepared too.



WP chairman and Aljunied GRC MP Sylvia Lim was quick to counter Mr Tharman's criticisms while her party colleague, Mr Png Eng Huat (Hougang), took aim at a government weak spot - namely, lapses in financial compliance by the People's Association (PA) and its grassroots organisations.
Non-Constituency MP Lina Chiam also chimed in with an Adjournment Motion in which she said that the fundamental issue was "the lack of accountability by respective ministries in exercising supervision over how taxpayer monies have been used and misused".

But the real battle for hearts and minds is between the Government and the WP and yesterday's parliamentary exchange between two ministers and two WP MPs during question time served only to confirm that the People's Action Party (PAP) plans to put town council management front and centre in the coming election campaign.

Perhaps aware that the public has found it hard to follow convoluted government statements on financial accounts, Mr Tharman - the cerebral Finance Minister - yesterday sought to boil it down to this: When it comes to finances, the government house is safe. The Auditor-General's Office (AGO) gave an unmodified audit opinion on its financial statements.

That means the accounts of all government departments are reliable and public funds are properly accounted for.

Some repairs, however, are needed in specific areas due to lapses in compliance. These include lapses by certain agencies regarding administration of grants and management of procurement contracts, among others.

By contrast, the finances of the opposition-run town council are in such a state that neither its own auditor nor the AGO could certify the Aljunied-Hougang-Punggol East Town Council's (AHPETC) house as structurally sound, Mr Tharman said.

"This is not just a matter of poor accounting procedures. It arose because there are so many weaknesses and omissions in the AHPETC accounts that its own auditors and the AGO were not able to determine if monies in the accounts have been safeguarded or how they have been used. That is the heart of the matter - it's the entire system of accounts. There's no remotely similar problem in government," he said.

Ms Lim, who is also AHPETC's chairman, rose twice to clarify that in the latest set of accounts submitted by the town council, its auditors' opinion was that except for certain specific issues, it had complied with the Town Council Act. As for the sums AHPETC has yet to transfer to its sinking fund, which Mr Tharman also highlighted, Ms Lim said: "I think it's public knowledge that the town council has still not received its operating S&CC (service and conservancy charges) grants for FY14 and FY15 (from the Ministry of National Development). So, is DPM not aware of that as well?"

The Government, on its part, was eager to set the record straight on the PA's accounts and those of its grassroots organisations, including lapses related to seven claims by the chairman of one Citizens Consultative Committee (CCC) totalling $114,767.

Manpower Minister Lim Swee Say, who is deputy chairman of the PA, made clear that the CCC chairman in question had stepped down to take responsibility for the lapses, which involved submitting claims without supporting documents.

He also addressed the lapses over 13 tenancy contracts cited by the AGO. "We have taken swift and decisive action to put things right immediately. When things go wrong, we do not shy away from taking responsibility and tough action to put things in order," Mr Lim told the House.

This is a line that PAP ministers are likely to draw between themselves and the WP as election season heats up.

As for Mrs Chiam's charge that financial lapses by grassroots organisations compromised residents' interests, Mr Lim issued a strong comeback in defence of grassroots leaders who have become an easy target for government critics, including those online.

He cited an example of grassroots leaders who sprang to the aid of a hospital in need of air purifiers during a bad episode of the haze.
Air purifiers were in short supply then and when they finally found a small store that had some, they bought them without calling for competitive bids. Yes, that was in breach of financial rules but it certainly did not compromise residents' interests, Mr Lim said.

Indeed, many of the grassroots organisations that breached financial rules were "doing their best to meet the interests of residents and the urgent needs of the community", he added.


Yesterday's sitting has set the stage for the coming campaign. Next up for Parliament? Most likely dissolution, at a time to be decided by the Prime Minister.




 
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Francisco J Dy III · University of Pennsylvania
Why should TC be a major issue? The AHPETC saga is a non-issue. No money has been lost, No corruption. Lapses have been rectified. Why make a "mountain out of a molehill" using this non-issue? Aren't the lapses in CCC and PA uncovered by AGO more serious? A CCC Chairman had to resign. Weren't some of the lapses at PA reported to the police?

The REAL issues in the coming elections are national, not local. These include, inter-alia:
(1) "over-priced" (price doubled over the last 6 years), low quality public housing
(2) stagnant wages with high prices (Singapore has become the mosr expensive place to live in)
(3) loss of jobs to foreigners
(4) increasing underemployment
(5) overloaded / unreliable infrastructure due to "lack of foresight"
(6) "depleted" (below CPF MInimum Sum) and "frozen" CPF accounts after paying for over-priced public housing
(7) low and worsening productivity with negative productivity growth over the last 3 years

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Ah Soh · Bartley Secondary School
Govt can talk till the cows come home. The matter still won't end. The best and cheapest way is to name the polling day and let voters be the final arbiters.

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Sam TanWhy the lapses at NKF and the Buddhist monk were reported to the authorities and not the lapses at PA? Sylvia Lim had challenged the PAP Ministers to report the AHPETC lapses to the CPIB none of them took her challenge as unlike the NKF and Buddhist monk saga.

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Keehan Tey · Singapore
The major issue for the election has not surfaced because the opposition has not really started their campaigns.

The national issue cannot be town councils, which is AIMed at technical audit matters. Neither is it grassroots organisations run by pro-PAP volunteers.

It is going to be what policies PAP want to change or introduce in the 5 years. Among the policies will be unpopular ones that have been postponed because of GE considerations.

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Ching Chin Huathow can that be? To me it should be the white paper on 6.9m population that was being put on hold 2 years ago.

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Thor ThorAre we voting for estate manager???? 1/4 million a year is too much to pay for estate manager






 

3_M

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PAP will definitely want to dictate the election agenda by playing this card but I doubt it going to gain any traction with the voters. WP will unlikely spend too much time defending themselves on this issue since they need to attack pap in other areas which plays to opposition advantage.

If pap keep focusing on single Tc issues and ignore other issues the voters take greater interests in, then they will likely find themselves losing more ground at the later stage of campaigning.
 

Narong Wongwan

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Just goes to show how out of touch and clueless vile pappies are.
They should sack all of their strategists en masse
 

winnipegjets

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$12 billion is spent by MINDEF, yet AGO doesn't even bother to audit it. No one knows the details of how the money is spent. Weapons are procured but no details are given. Did MINDEF overpaid? Who knows?

Most corruption is in the buying of weapons. Why is MINDEF immune from corruption?
 

Sideswipe

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Sinkies didn't fuck the PAP enough for losing the town councils' money in the mini bonds investment. :mad:
 

escher

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$12 billion is spent by MINDEF, yet AGO doesn't even bother to audit it. No one knows the details of how the money is spent. Weapons are procured but no details are given. Did MINDEF overpaid? Who knows?

Most corruption is in the buying of weapons. Why is MINDEF immune from corruption?




Bestest way will be to dangle the stinking cheating Maggots in White under lamp post
The next bestest thing will be to vote everyone of those PAP bastards in white out out out


UNDER THE FUCKING PAP, SINKIES ARE 4TH CLASS CITIZENS IN THEIR OWN LAND STOLEN FROM THEM BY PAP
PAPs ARE THE 2ND CLASS CITIZENS WITH THE LEE FAMILY AS THE FIRST CLASS ARISTOCRAZIES

FTs ARE TAKEN IN AS THE 3RD CLASS CITIZENS KICKING SINKIES INTO 4TH CLASS AND SINKIES GOOD ONLY TO GO
HEAD DOWN DOWN AND ARSEHOLES UP HIGH HIGH TO BE FUCKED AND TIEWED BY PAPs LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THEIR BANKS.


THERE IS ONLY ONE SOLUTION

THE ONLY CHANCE WE HAVE WILL BE TO DANGLE PAPs AND THEIR CRONIES TO SEE THEM DANCE UNDER THE LAMP POSTS

HISTORICALLY, PIANO WIRES WILL BE WHAT TRAITORS OF COUNTRIES DESERVED
AND WE ALL CAN SEE PAPs AS TRAITOR TO SINGAPORE AND SINGAPOREANS AND PAPs ONLY SERVE THEIR OWN NEEDS AND LAUGH ALL THE WAY TO THEIR BANKS

DANGLE ALL THOSE PAP BASTARDS AND CRONIES TO SEE THEM DANCE UNDER THE LAMP POSTS
AND TURN STINKAPORE BACK INTO SINGAPORE WHERE SINGAPOREANS ARE TREATED FIRST INSTEAD OF THE FUCKING FTs FROM FUCKED UP SCHOOLS WHERE THEY CHEAT AND CHEAT



HANG THE PAPs TO SEE THEM DANCE UNDER THE LAMP POSTS

The cronies do not get peanuts or they will not be cronies

http://sonofadud.com/2015/06/25/sin...new-how-much-singtels-ceo-was-really-getting/


Running Bitch Chua Sock Koong is not even an exceptional running bitch cum crony and she getting over 10 million a year.
What do the fucking PAPs pay their even more favourite cronies? Even morest than to bitch chua

How much do the fucking ministers pay themselves? More than they want to tell you.

ALL THAT FROM OUR FUCKING MONEY THAT THEY CREAM AND CUM THEMSELVES ON WHILE THEY GO LAUGHING ALL THE FUCKING WAY TO THEIR FUCKING BANKS
WHILE WE ALL STAND STUPIDLY IN FRONT OF A FUCKING FLAG TO MAKE OUR PLEDGES NOT KNOWING WE ALL HEAD DOWN DOWN AND ARSEHOLES UP HIGH HIGH TO BE
FUCKED AND TIEWED AND KANNED BY THEM ALL AND THEIR CRONIES

DANGLE A PAP WITH PIANO WIRE FROM ORCHARD ROAD LAMP POST
INCLUDE THEIR RUNNING DOGS AND CRONIES
NECKLACE THEM SO THEY CAN SEE LIGHT

DO THAT BEFORE THEY KILL US ALL


Hang all those PAP bastards from piano wires, upside down or right way up.

SINGAPORE FOR SINGAPOREANS
SINGAPORE NOT FOR FOREIGN TRASH BROUGHT IN DELIBERATELY BY PAPs TO DISPLACE SINGAPOREANS
FTs BROUGHT IN BY PAPs TO REDUCE THE MONEY SINGAPOREANS CAN TAKE HOME FOR THEIR FAMILIES
FTs BROUGHT IN TO DEVALUE SINGAPOREANS
PAPs THEN USING FUCKING WORDS LIKE RACISTS AND XENOPHOBES TO FURTHER KICK SINGAPOREANS IN THE TEETH
REMEMBER IT IS THE FUCKING PAPs THAT DELIBERATELY BROUGHT IN THE FTs
SO THAT LESS MONEY FOR SINGAPOREANS AND LESS MONEY TO FIGHT THE FUCKING PAPs

TO HAVE LESS JOBS AVAILABLE FOR SINGAPOREANS AS FTs WILL BE GIVEN THAT JOB PREFERENCE OVER SINGAPOREANS

PAP TIEWING AND FUCKING STINKIES FOR SMEAR OF SHIT ON SOLE OF SHOE LKY AND PAPs
A LUCRATIVE JOB FOR WHICH PAPs ARE PAID UNTIL THOSE FUCKERS CAN LAUGH ALL THE WAY TO THEIR BANKS AND BACK FROM THEIR BANKS


They continue to laugh all the way to their banks
And all the way back from their banks

HA HA HA HA
HEE HEE HEE HE HEEEE
HOO HO HOOO HO HO



Hang all those PAP bastards from piano wires, upside down or right way up.




Hang those PAP maggots cockroaches with piano wires from lamp posts to make them dance before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.
BBQ those PAP maggots cockroaches before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.
Cut a few more arseholes into those PAP maggots cockroaches to let out their shit before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.
Make those PAP maggots cockroaches eat joss sticks and candle wax before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.



LKY will never allow good decent people into the PAP and good decent people will not want to get into the PAP. Those in PAP are the most corrupt and moral degenerates and moral bankrupts and moral filths that are being presented to stinkaporeans as moral compasses.
None of those in PAP work for anyone but that smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY, to help him hold down Singaporeans to screw and fuck hundreds of BILLIONs from us all into smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY stinkapore sovereign funds.
Maggots and cockroaches are appointed as ministers in parliament
Kangaroos are frolicking in High Court instead of being allowed to wander and roam about in the Zoo
They are there in PAP because LKY know that they are a bunch of self serving greedy bastards and scrapings of scums of society. To call them maggots cockroaches will be to insult real maggots and real cockroaches.





>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

GET RID OF THE POISON IN SINGAPORE
HANG ALL THOSE FUCKING PAPs AND THEIR COLLABORATORS
BBQ THE BASTARD PAPs

AND SINGAPORE CAN BE AS GOOD IF NOT BETTER THAN SWITZERLAND

OR REMAIN HEAD DOWN DOWN AND ARSEHOLES UP HIGH HIGH TO BE FUCKED TO BE TIEWED TO BE KANNED BY THE PAP MAGGOTS COCKROACHES

Kill them all PAPs
Let GOD sort out the good from the really bad ones
The good PAPs can then eat joss sticks and candle wax from time to time
The bad PAPs like smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY will be raped and tiewed and kanned by legions of ghouls and demons and not ever
get time off to eat joss sticks and candle wax



And lowest scums of society known for their vicious self interest driven greed are preaching to sinkies on morality and elitism.
Those in PAP are the most corrupt and moral degenerates and moral bankrupts and moral filths that are being presented to stinkaporeans as moral compasses.
Despite the leeching and fucking of singaporeans by the cheebye PAP and LKY, Singapore still managed to survive to date.
Despite their being hung as a fucking millstones around the necks of Singaporeans and the idiocy and corrupt manipulations of PAP and LKY, Singapore still not dead yet.
 

Confuseous

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Obviously running out of ideas.
Thought they struck gold by merchandising one corpse over and over again.
Then mine the AHPETC issue to death.
What else can they talk about?
Dying to see their new manifesto.
If memory serves correctly, their last manifesto was like
some primary school project without style, without
substance. Anyone still has a copy of that piece of
shit, please share share again?
 

Seee3

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Pap must be thinking that their TCs are doing a great job to make estate maintenance an issue. They have to be sleeping. Their TCs, especially those run by CPG are in really bad shape. 2 poor cleaners taking care of some 10 blocks from clearing refuse chutes to sweeping, mopping ... They are no superman.
 

Songofdeath

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But i think that is the fact if PAP states it. WP seriously having town council issues and residence concern about their estate's health.
 
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