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$$$Trillion$$$ F-35 lost to F-16 in USAF War Game

eatshitndie

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So many bombs and rockets,is the f35 trying to kill someone or make fireworks at ndp parade.

it's an airborne weapons platform, with overrated stealth capabilities and long range target-seeking missiles. the larger carrier-based drones of the usn currently undergoing tests will most likely be a more effective airborne weapon. this program will becum obsolete before trump becum potus, only if his beauty pageants find a media outlet.
 

sleaguepunter

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it's 137 on each side for a total of 4 barrels, if you zoom in and count one by one. basically, the limited number is only for one or two targets of opportunity after running out of missiles, such as chancing upon a small convoy of camel humpers on the way back to base or a floating balloon filled with sightseeing tourists, oops, terrorists. the global rfi back in 2008 called for a more effective 25mm ammo that could provide ground support and do air-to-air combat with greater "lethality".

er... I think it not 137 round for each barrel but 182 rounds for the 4 barrels gatling type 25mm cannon. it not a lot but it take only 1 AP shell to hit enemy plane vital part to shoot it down. while I never fire a gatling gun before but I operated and fired the M242 bushmaster 25mm during reservist. while the rate of fire much slower than the GAU-12/U Equalizer but already the destructive power seen down range was rather impressive.

I think ppl here watch too match WW2 movie, see strafing by bf109, stuka, zeke, p51 etc etc... why would a pilot want to get close to the m&d to strafe with his cannons when he can drop jdam from way high up where he will be safe from hand held missiles? even when the pilot is out of bombs, all he have to do was radio to his AWAC controllers, give the coordinates, type of targets and then hang around where it safe and wait for the arty to rain fire upon the target area.

the F117 shealth fighter also cannot dogfight so what the problem with the F35 also cannot. USAF never keen on dogfighting, they always like to fire off mass AIM-120 missiles beyond the horizon range to knock out enemy aircrafts. each f35 have how many pods for AIM120? even at 2 each per f35, that 24 long range missiles for each f35 squadron. btw, USAF always fight with AWAC support, each AWAC team exercise extensively with it fighters escort, groundpounding f16 and a10. USAF never never fight fair, no mano a mano nonsense in USAF doctrine, it use every dirty trick in the book to go home alive.
 

eatshitndie

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er... I think it not 137 round for each barrel but 182 rounds for the 4 barrels gatling type 25mm cannon.

i didn't mention per barrel, but a total of 4 barrels. my bad. it's not 137 rounds, but 137mm for the length of the 25mm caliber rounds. in the picture, there are 90 rounds on each side making a total of 180 rounds. and yes, all rounds are fired gatling style through 4 barrels. it's not the gau-12/u but the gau-22/a. the gau-12/u has 5 barrels.
 
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The_Hypocrite

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Its already obsolete.
it's an airborne weapons platform, with overrated stealth capabilities and long range target-seeking missiles. the larger carrier-based drones of the usn currently undergoing tests will most likely be a more effective airborne weapon. this program will becum obsolete before trump becum potus, only if his beauty pageants find a media outlet.
 

Cerebral

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er... I think it not 137 round for each barrel but 182 rounds for the 4 barrels gatling type 25mm cannon. it not a lot but it take only 1 AP shell to hit enemy plane vital part to shoot it down. while I never fire a gatling gun before but I operated and fired the M242 bushmaster 25mm during reservist. while the rate of fire much slower than the GAU-12/U Equalizer but already the destructive power seen down range was rather impressive.

I think ppl here watch too match WW2 movie, see strafing by bf109, stuka, zeke, p51 etc etc... why would a pilot want to get close to the m&d to strafe with his cannons when he can drop jdam from way high up where he will be safe from hand held missiles? even when the pilot is out of bombs, all he have to do was radio to his AWAC controllers, give the coordinates, type of targets and then hang around where it safe and wait for the arty to rain fire upon the target area.

the F117 shealth fighter also cannot dogfight so what the problem with the F35 also cannot. USAF never keen on dogfighting, they always like to fire off mass AIM-120 missiles beyond the horizon range to knock out enemy aircrafts. each f35 have how many pods for AIM120? even at 2 each per f35, that 24 long range missiles for each f35 squadron. btw, USAF always fight with AWAC support, each AWAC team exercise extensively with it fighters escort, groundpounding f16 and a10. USAF never never fight fair, no mano a mano nonsense in USAF doctrine, it use every dirty trick in the book to go home alive.

I agree with this. That's why they created the Eagle wall for their F15s
 

xebay11

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I think ppl here watch too match WW2 movie, see strafing by bf109, stuka, zeke, p51 etc etc... why would a pilot want to get close to the m&d to strafe with his cannons when he can drop jdam from way high up where he will be safe from hand held missiles? even when the pilot is out of bombs, all he have to do was radio to his AWAC controllers, give the coordinates, type of targets and then hang around where it safe and wait for the arty to rain fire upon the target area.


No you cannot wait, in fact you watch too many WWII war movies already, the targets these days are not like in WWII, where you can stay around waiting for you to call FAC and wait for CAP/CAS strike aircraft, sometimes you are the only one in the air in the vicinity and there are just two towel heads up to no good, by the time you wait, they would have escaped, you just need to destroy the target there and then before it does any harm.

BTW F117 is a misnomer, it is a stealth reconnaissance bomber, never intended to do combat, it has zero air to air weapons.
 

sleaguepunter

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No you cannot wait, in fact you watch too many WWII war movies already, the targets these days are not like in WWII, where you can stay around waiting for you to call FAC and wait for CAP/CAS strike aircraft, sometimes you are the only one in the air in the vicinity and there are just two towel heads up to no good, by the time you wait, they would have escaped, you just need to destroy the target there and then before it does any harm.

BTW F117 is a misnomer, it is a stealth reconnaissance bomber, never intended to do combat, it has zero air to air weapons.

different school of thoughts. btw, 25/35mm canon ammo have many types. u don't use AP rounds to shoot at mass infantry or arty positions instead the HEDP ammo a better choice. I doubt they load HEDP ammo for fighter jet.
 

xebay11

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different school of thoughts. btw, 25/35mm canon ammo have many types. u don't use AP rounds to shoot at mass infantry or arty positions instead the HEDP ammo a better choice. I doubt they load HEDP ammo for fighter jet.

AP rounds can still kill infantry and have flatter trajectory, aircraft usually load HEI to do maximum damage to the thin skinned aircraft structures.
 

sleaguepunter

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AP rounds can still kill infantry and have flatter trajectory, aircraft usually load HEI to do maximum damage to the thin skinned aircraft structures.

AP need direct hit while HEDP can kill with shrapnel.

HEI ammo for jet fighters. interesting....
 

steffychun

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No you cannot wait, in fact you watch too many WWII war movies already, the targets these days are not like in WWII, where you can stay around waiting for you to call FAC and wait for CAP/CAS strike aircraft, sometimes you are the only one in the air in the vicinity and there are just two towel heads up to no good, by the time you wait, they would have escaped, you just need to destroy the target there and then before it does any harm.

BTW F117 is a misnomer, it is a stealth reconnaissance bomber, never intended to do combat, it has zero air to air weapons.

I dont recall the Taliban or Al Queda strafing targets. In Fact they used cheaper technology to cause more deaths.
 

Froggy

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i didn't mention per barrel, but a total of 4 barrels. my bad. it's not 137 rounds, but 137mm for the length of the 25mm caliber rounds. in the picture, there are 90 rounds on each side making a total of 180 rounds. and yes, all rounds are fired gatling style through 4 barrels. it's not the gau-12/u but the gau-22/a. the gau-12/u has 5 barrels.

Plus 15 rounds in his holster.
 
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