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Ah Hen okay NS deferment if "fair". Likethat Patrick Tan 12 yr deferment fair or not?

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MINDEF supports NS deferment if it is "fair": Dr Ng

The Ministry of Defence gets many requests for National Service deferment every year, and it will support the requests "which we can explain to the rest of the public, and that the public feels it is fair," says Minister Ng Eng Hen.

SINGAPORE: Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen said that a key reason for the success of National Service (NS) in Singapore was its continued strong support from the public, and its policy of fairness balanced with practical flexibility, recognising the needs of exceptional talent that can bring honour and glory to Singapore.


Such individuals could be athletes like swimmer Joseph Schooling, who have the potential to bring home an Olympic medal, or talented musicians. But less clear-cut cases do exist, such as when a person has yet to achieve those standards but himself or others around him feel that he needs more time to do so. Other cases include those in "special circumstances," such as individuals who are the sole breadwinners of their families.


"Every year, MINDEF (Ministry of Defence) gets many requests to say, ‘Can I be deferred or disrupted’? We do it transparently to say it cannot be for personal needs. If it’s for personal needs, then you have many, many personal needs," said Dr Ng. "And if we allow some to be deferred or disrupted for personal needs, then it becomes unfair for the others. Because everyone will say, ‘I would like to finish my education first become I come back (to serve NS)".


"MINDEF will support requests for deferment which we can explain to the rest of the public, and that the public feels it is fair. And for those with long-term deferments, we will publish those names that we deferred, as we have promised," he said. "It is still a national mandate."


But he noted that even for those offered deferment, some still chose to continue balancing their NS liabilities with training. He added that many of them ended up winning medals at the recent SEA Games.


"I suppose it is a matter of saying, ‘Look, I can do this training and if you give me some flexibility, I can train during NS’, which was exactly what they did. So they were given that option," said Dr Ng.

SHRINKING DEFENCE FORCE


Dr Ng also touched on a broad range of issues in his annual SAF Day interview on Tuesday (Jun 30), including having a relevant and effective force despite a falling birth rate.


In an earlier speech in May, he revealed that the number of full-time National Servicemen would shrink by about 30 per cent from now until 2030. Adding to the challenge was an increasingly diversified society.


"Yet we have been able to maintain and integrate, and bring in each year new national servicemen who identify with the needs, the ethos, the history of Singapore, and why we need a strong SAF. We need to keep doing this, so national education is obviously important".


He remains confident at least until 2050, of the SAF's ability to function as a leaner, stronger force that remains just as potent. Such moves to reduce manpower include the increased used of automation and better technological design in individual platforms - such as the use of cameras on Navy frigates, mobile artillery platforms in the Army, and better use of intelligence in the field by each soldier.


Dr Ng added that these challenges are not unique to Singapore.


"It’s not a constraint that only the SAF faces. In fact, many modern militaries face that same challenge, if not worse, because they don’t have national conscription, because they have to hire a regular army. And they are having problems not only in manpower but budget,” he said.


"Thankfully, because our economy is doing well, we’re well-resourced so we can make up for a relative reduction in manpower with these modern systems. So I would say that we have adjusted to it and at this point of time there is no need to extend National Service nor bring in women. I think we are coping fine, but it does mean that modern systems will require National Servicemen to do more and take more and higher responsibility which I think they are well-equipped to do."


And as modern militaries increasingly use other skill sets such as the use of intelligence and information, such NSmen - as well as those physically unable to take on combat roles - could also be looped in into non-traditional roles such as cyber ops.


"Students of military strategy are studying very carefully what hybrid war means – how you can soften the belly of a target nation for many years and finally bring it down to its knees slowly, because people have lost the will through misinformation, or prepositioning would have reduced the ability (of the target nation) to respond."


"So as with many other countries, we are beefing up our cyber soldiers, and in some senses, that works to our advantage. Because our chaps are very good in cyber, perhaps because they are on the computer so much… net natives; and this ability to use those who have physical conditions that can’t make them completely combat fit. So you now have a new arena where more and more people can make a fundamental difference, even a bigger impact, contribute more, so this works to our advantage."


And as modern militaries evolve to recognise other skill sets, Dr Ng also addressed the issue of women in the armed forces - after the Singapore Armed Forces recently announced that Colonel Gan Siow Huang will become its first female Brigadier General.


"So, the question is, is this history making? Yes. She happens to be female. Is she there because she’s broken a ceiling? No, there was never a ceiling. And she’s risen on her own merit. If there are more, well and good, others who are, regardless of whether it be gender or race or ethnicity, we will promote them. So, my pitch is that if you feel you are good enough to be a general, come and join the SAF."


"Whoever rises to that position, and is able to meet the requirements of that position, we will promote."
 

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Re: Ah Hen okay NS deferment if "fair". Likethat Patrick Tan 12 yr deferment fair or

But he noted that even for those offered deferment, some still chose to continue balancing their NS liabilities with training. He added that many of them ended up winning medals at the recent SEA Games.

Deferment for lousy SEA Games? Like that also can? If the chap can win medal at Olympics then its a different story. Many high school atheletes in the US can win SEA Games medal no problem. What is the big deal? NCAA track and field championships already can beat all the SEA Games times.
 

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Re: Ah Hen okay NS deferment if "fair". Likethat Patrick Tan 12 yr deferment fair or

"MINDEF will support requests for deferment which we can explain to the rest of the public, and that the public feels it is fair. And for those with long-term deferments, we will publish those names that we deferred, as we have promised," he said. "It is still a national mandate."

So Patrick Tan's deferment was transparent and published? Or was it found out by CSI from netizens?
 

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PT deferment is not only fair. .... to elite. It open windows of opportunity for.... other elites to seek out valuable venture outside of ns to be able to carryout at their prime when such opportunities r closed for underserving sinkies.
 

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Re: Ah Hen okay NS deferment if "fair". Likethat Patrick Tan 12 yr deferment fair or

We cannot condone a policy for elilte and another policy for the non-elites. This amounts to abuse of the system. Tony Tan should bring to task the person who besmirched his good name by giving egregiously preferential treatment to Tony Tan's son.


PT deferment is not only fair. .... to elite. It open windows of opportunity for.... other elites to seek out valuable venture outside of ns to be able to carryout at their prime when such opportunities r closed for underserving sinkies.
 

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Re: Ah Hen okay NS deferment if "fair". Likethat Patrick Tan 12 yr deferment fair or

Patrick Tan, son of Tony Tan President of Singapore was given preferential treatment doing NS over 12 years ?? in airconditioned enviroment. Is this fair to all NSmen and their parents??? I think Patrick Tan must be fined 12++++ million sing dollars to be disbursed to all NSmen!!
 

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Re: Ah Hen okay NS deferment if "fair". Likethat Patrick Tan 12 yr deferment fair or

We cannot condone a policy for elilte and another policy for the non-elites. This amounts to abuse of the system. Tony Tan should bring to task the person who besmirched his good name by giving egregiously preferential treatment to Tony Tan's son.

Not only Patrick Tan....... there were sickening white horses ie sons of the elites plus rich & famous who had best & pampered treatments in NS..... heard that as recruits they were addressed as "sir" "gentlment" by their OC n CO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is this merLEEtokcracy??
 

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Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen said that a key reason for the success of National Service (NS) in Singapore was its continued strong support from the public

Utter bullshit spotted on the very first line of the article. :rolleyes:
 

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It's better than insulting a kind man who offered to bail you out and depend on your mommy.
 

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“Contrary to public perception, the White Horse classification is not to ensure that sons of influential men gets preferential treatment. Instead it is to ensure that they do not get preferential treatment.”- Cedric Foo
 

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Re: Ah Hen okay NS deferment if "fair". Likethat Patrick Tan 12 yr deferment fair or

“Contrary to public perception, the White Horse classification is not to ensure that sons of influential men gets preferential treatment. Instead it is to ensure that they do not get preferential treatment.”- Cedric Foo

They can say whatever they want, but NS slaves who have personally witnessed and experienced life inside an army camp would know the reality of things. :wink:
 

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Re: Ah Hen okay NS deferment if "fair". Likethat Patrick Tan 12 yr deferment fair or

Fairness is of course based on the pappyshit definition of whether your son or grandson is deemed to be "exceptional". :rolleyes:
 

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Re: Ah Hen okay NS deferment if "fair". Likethat Patrick Tan 12 yr deferment fair or

Chicken needs to explain why was a request to defer completion of NS for ONE month so that the person could start his coveted course on time not granted, forcing that individual to choose between AWOL or a future career? Consequently, that individual was given a harsh prison sentence.

The public would have accept a one-month deferment to complete NS as fair. So, why did MINDEF not consider that fair?

Explain, Mr. Chicken and MINDEF. Don't hide. Your PM said PAP always confront the issue. So, do as your boss say, Mr. Chicken.
 

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“Contrary to public perception, the White Horse classification is not to ensure that sons of influential men gets preferential treatment. Instead it is to ensure that they do not get preferential treatment.”- Cedric Foo

The big fooling
 

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Re: Ah Hen okay NS deferment if "fair". Likethat Patrick Tan 12 yr deferment fair or

Chicken needs to explain why was a request to defer completion of NS for ONE month so that the person could start his coveted course on time not granted, forcing that individual to choose between AWOL or a future career? Consequently, that individual was given a harsh prison sentence.

The public would have accept a one-month deferment to complete NS as fair. So, why did MINDEF not consider that fair?

Explain, Mr. Chicken and MINDEF. Don't hide. Your PM said PAP always confront the issue. So, do as your boss say, Mr. Chicken.

Because Cambridge is only for PSC. And those who can make it.
 

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Re: Ah Hen okay NS deferment if "fair". Likethat Patrick Tan 12 yr deferment fair or


"Students of military strategy are studying very carefully what hybrid war means – how you can soften the belly of a target nation for many years and finally bring it down to its knees slowly, because people have lost the will through misinformation, or prepositioning would have reduced the ability (of the target nation) to respond."


This is the military strategy that the PAP has been employing for decades against sinkie citizens. He could not have put it any better.
 
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