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Talks fall apart for Greece!!!

dancingshoes

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Greek bailout program will expire on Tuesday as talks fall apart

Talks fell apart between the Greek government and its creditors, and European officials said Athens' bailout program will expire on Tuesday.

Euro zone finance ministers met to try and thrash out a reforms-for-rescue deal for Greece after the country's prime minister threw a curveball of a referendum on the deal late Friday night. During Saturday's meeting, the finance ministers rejected Greece's request for a one-month bailout extension.

Greece is due to pay the International Monetary Fund 1.5 billion euros Monday and without a deal this weekend risks missing that payment.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102791542
 

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greek drama goes on forever. the cuntry was already fucked when they imposed odd number car plates for odd days and even numbers for even days. each resident simply bought 2 cars on credit, one odd-numbered and the other even-numbered, in order to drive on all days of the week. it goes to show how stupid, lame and clueless the gov is. :rolleyes:
 

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greek drama goes on forever. the cuntry was already fucked when they imposed odd number car plates for odd days and even numbers for even days. each resident simply bought 2 cars on credit, one odd-numbered and the other even-numbered, in order to drive on all days of the week. it goes to show how stupid, lame and clueless the gov is. :rolleyes:

PAP should implement the idea,that would double the COE income revenue for them.
 

eatshitndie

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PAP should implement the idea,that would double the COE income revenue for them.

it would also mean foreign exchange earnings favoring germany and japan. that's one big reason why greeks owe mostly to germans - they bought too many cars with hefty loans.
 

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it would also mean foreign exchange earnings favoring germany and japan. that's one big reason why greeks owe mostly to germans - they bought too many cars with hefty loans.

Thats consumer debt isnt it whats that gotta do with national debt.did germans force them to buy bmws with national reserves or did the prime minister buy one too many audis with the istana credit cards.
 

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it would also mean foreign exchange earnings favoring germany and japan. that's one big reason why greeks owe mostly to germans - they bought too many cars with hefty loans.
Heard that all these rescue from imf ... are actually German Govt saving their own banks. So German Govt provide loan in the name of imf, ec or whatever to Greece to pay German Bank. It is a common practice so that their own banks will not collapse and they through the process, try to squeeze as much out from the debtor as possible. Once their own banks are stablished, Greece can default for all they care. Technically it is like printing lost notes to return to the banks by the govt.
 

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They will have last minute deal. Always the case so far.
greek pm oredi called 4 referendum on july 5, so unlikely he agree 2 anything now ...

euro will definitely reject any greek sextension requests ...

most likely default on tuesday ...
 

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Black Monday for financial markets as Greece goes bankrupt


Global financial markets are facing a Black Monday meltdown now that talks to prevent a catastrophic default by Greece next week have completely broken down.

Eurozone financial ministers have dismissed a call for a grace period before a shock snap referendum and the money runs out on Tuesday. The European Central Bank’s emergency lifeline funding is almost certain to be cut off as soon as today.

No deal this time

This is not what complacent, oversold financial markets have been expecting. They thought a last minute deal would always be done and have stayed calm until now, even rising further in anticipation.

By rejecting further talks and calling a referendum the Greek side effectively terminated this process in dramatic fashion. They are throwing their creditors to the wolves and damning the consequences which will be suicidal for Greece.

Have they not considered that the program they want to vote upon expires on Tuesday so there will be nothing for Greek voters to accept or dismiss? It’s a farce, not a referendum.

Markets are going to sell off heavily on Monday.The only immediate winners will be the US dollar and gold and silver.

The latter have also been squeezed by complacent markets which came to believe that equity prices only ever go up, and there is a large short position in precious metals to now cover that will send prices shooting higher (click here).

Safe haven rush

Safe havens will be at a premium this coming week. It is far from clear how events in Greece will pan-out but who cares, it is the wider impact that will be in focus.

Now we are going to find out if a Greek financial crash is another ‘Lehman moment’ for the global economy or a sideshow in a small country with less than two per cent of the GDP of the European Union, or somewhere in between.

This is going to be a very memorable moment for global investors, and many will be caught facing the wrong way at the wrong moment.

Posted on 28 June 2015
 

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... Have they not considered that the program they want to vote upon expires on Tuesday so there will be nothing for Greek voters to accept or dismiss? It’s a farce, not a referendum ...
sumting fishy here ... dun tel me greek parlimen dunno about tis? ...
 

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If Greece gets kick out,,,I doubt the rest of the Europeans will want to pay off the banks who are owed money by Greece. Also if the Euro goes up,,Germany will suffer as its exports will drop....


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-25/kohler-theres-good-reason-why-a-grexit-wont-happen/6569832
[h=1]There's good reason why a 'Grexit' won't happen[/h]OpinionThe Drum
By ABC's Alan Kohler
Updated Thu at 8:22amThu 25 Jun 2015, 8:22am
Photo: The Greek tragedy is, at heart, about currency wars. (Getty Images: Oli Scarff)

The truth is this is actually just a currency war, and there really is no chance the all-powerful German export machine will allow Greece to exit the Eurozone, writes Alan Kohler.
That the euro fell on Tuesday when it emerged that the Greek government of Alexis Tsipras may have capitulated to the demands of the IMF and ECB perfectly illustrated what's at stake in the latest EU hoo-ha.
Greece staying in the eurozone equals weak euro; default and "Grexit" equals End of Days for Greece but a strong euro, because a small but heavy sandbag will have been thrown from the balloon.
As a result there really is no chance that the all-powerful German export machine will allow Greece to exit the Eurozone.
It's true that ECB money printing has insulated the European banking system from the danger of contagion in the event of Greek default, but that's not what this is about.
It is, at heart, about currency wars. In the last three months, as Greece looked increasingly likely to miss its June 30 repayment to the IMF and go into default, the euro has appreciated more than 6 per cent.
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That simply will not do. Daimler Benz, BMW, Siemens, BASF, Bayer, and the thousands of "mittelstand" firms that employ 70 per cent of the workforce and contribute 50 per cent to Germany's GDP will not allow the German government to kick Greece out of the euro and cause their businesses to become uncompetitive.
So Greece probably won't have to do very much to remain afloat. The details of the latest offer from Mr Tsipras have not been made public, but apparently he's talking about increasing taxes and pension contributions for companies and the rich.
If so, it will be an obvious sham - a fig leaf. The Greek government is as likely to collect more money from those sources as it is to sell the Parthenon piece by piece, or the Aegean Sea, island by island.
The ostensible demands from the IMF and EU upon Greece for further austerity and reform are so severe that it is a toss-up whether it would be better for it to knuckle under or default and exit.
In fact, these demands are designed for the consumption of the German public, whose opinion of their Greek cousins seems to be a mixture of Verachtung (scorn) and Schadenfreude.
Poll after poll shows that most Germans want Greece out of the eurozone and preferably out of the EU. Reporting a recent poll that 52 per cent of Germans wanted Greece out, Bloomberg quoted a Berlin taxi driver:
They've got a lot of hubris and arrogance, being in the situation they're in and making all these demands. Maybe it's better for Greece to just leave the euro.
In fact, that's the last thing the German export establishment - large and small - will allow; the Greeks just have to be humiliated as the can is kicked down the road again.
The central bank establishment is doing its bit to pile on the pressure: A few days ago the ECB, via the Bank of Greece, issued a statement that said exit from the euro would result in "deep recession, a dramatic decline in income levels, an exponential rise in unemployment and a collapse of all that the Greek economy has achieved over the years of its EU, and especially its euro area, membership".
That is almost as un-central banker-like language as saying that house prices are "crazy".
But that bit of chain-rattling was probably not needed. Tsipras was already capitulating to the extent necessary for the Germans to be satisfied.
One thing is for sure though: Greece is unlikely to be able to fund itself from the markets alone when the current bailout program expires next March. This benighted country will be relying on IMF and EU (that is, German) support for years to come.
In a sense, Germany will have to share some of the current account surplus that comes from having an artificially weak currency, dragged down by Greece and the other Mediterranean basket cases.
The Greek economy should eventually recover because wages have fallen so much, but only if corruption and cronyism can be banished.
As finance minister Yanis Varoufakis told the German magazine Die Zeit:
Why does a kilometre of freeway cost three times as much where we are as it does in Germany? Because we're dealing with a system of cronyism and corruption. That's what we have to tackle.
Alan Kohler is a finance presenter on ABC News. He tweets at @alankohler.
 

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If Greece gets kick out,,,I doubt the rest of the Europeans will want to pay off the banks who are owed money by Greece. Also if the Euro goes up,,Germany will suffer as its exports will drop....


if greece exit, euro will drop. if greece stay on, eur will take longer time to drop. both ways, euro is declining.
 

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BREAKING: The ECB has voted to keep emergency loans for Greece at current levels for now. That caps the funds available for restocking ATMs.
 
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