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Its OK to be Childless

The_Hypocrite

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22 May 2015, 6.04am AEST[h=1]People who don’t want kids deserve respect for their choice[/h]Societies overwhelmingly endorse reproduction, but the pressure this places on people who don't want to have kids may be putting their health at risk.

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  • [h=3]Fran Baum[/h] Matthew Flinders Distinguished Professor, Foundation Director, Southgate Institute for Health, Society & Equity at Flinders University
[h=4]Disclosure Statement[/h]Fran Baum does not work for, consult to, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and has no relevant affiliations.

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There’s a sense that people who want to be child-free are somehow draft-dodging the duty of parenthood – we’ve done it and suffered, so why haven’t you? Hanna Nikkanen/Flickr, CC BY-NC-SA A conversation about the merits or otherwise of choosing not to have kids has been simmering away since Pope Francis designated people who have made the choice as “selfish” earlier this year.
A couple of months after his comments, the issue was being discussed because of the film While We’re Young and the US book Selfish, Shallow and Self-Absorbed. And now, the Australian media appears to be visiting this perennially interesting issue.
There’s good reason for the enduring interest in people who choose not to breed. Societies overwhelmingly endorse reproduction; children grow up being told they’ll become parents one day, parents expect to become grandparents, and having children is universally endorsed as a good thing for all.
But even though we tend to expect everyone to reproduce, the number of childless people in most developed countries is increasing. Childlessness has steadily grown in all OECD countries but Australia has the second-highest rate of people not having children, after Italy. Australian census data show the number of childless women in the 40 to 49 age group increased from just 9% in 1976 to 11% in 1996 and 14% in 2006.
Research I did for my doctoral thesis on voluntary childlessness in the United Kingdom suggested a variety of motives among people who choose to be childless. But some of the people I spoke to said many people were hostile to their decision not to have children and characterised them as selfish and even “unnatural”. Although I did that work about 30 years ago, current debates about the issue show the same holds today.
[h=2]To have or have not[/h]People often have strong reasons for why they don’t have children; they’ve often made the decision more thoughtfully than people who do choose to reproduce. Some of the people I spoke to made an idealistic decision based on their concern for the environment and were typically hoping to contribute to zero population growth. Others were hedonistic and preferred their Harley Davidson or other hobbies to children.
And some had practical reasons, such as a desire to not reproduce the depression that seemed recurrent in their family or their intention to pursue a career wholeheartedly rather than juggling parenting and a job. Some women feared not being supported in child rearing by their partner.
Emotional reasons drove some who noted they didn’t have maternal or paternal feelings, and had never felt any drive or desire to have children. All these reasons resonate today, and the decision not to reproduce is still regarded with hostility by some.

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Children grow up being told they’ll become parents one day. Nico Nelson/Flickr, CC BY Responses to childlessness are complex because the group includes people who are physically unable to have children even though they want them, and those who passively slid into childlessness with the passage of time, as well as people who have consciously chosen not to reproduce.
Unwanted childlessness often elicits pity and sympathy because the child-rearing experience is seen to be so rewarding that not to experience it becomes abnormal or unfortunate. But when people choose to be childless, this pity often tips over into approbation about how strange it is to not want the experience.
In part, there’s a sense that people who want to be child-free are somehow draft-dodging the duty of parenthood; we’ve done it and suffered, so why haven’t you? Or, all animals have to reproduce, so how come you haven’t done your bit for the species?
[h=2]Something not quite right[/h]Then there’s the perception that anyone who doesn’t want to have children must in some way be lacking. Behind this lies the idea that it’s natural and healthy to want to have children, and not wanting them suggests either selfishness or a psychological problem. Of course, childfree people may be selfish or have psychological problems, but many parents are too.
Another common perception is that people will regret their decision not to have children when they are old and have no one to help them. Although there isn’t much research on this topic, a Norwegian survey of 5,500 people between the ages of 40 and 80 found no evidence that childless adults have reduced well-being compared to people with children.
And US studies show that while childlessness does not increase loneliness and depression as such, older, divorced childless men are more likely to experience them.
But living in a society that puts often insidious and not very subtle pressure on people to have children can make those who choose not to feel deviant and marginalised from mainstream society. When the answer to the still-ubiquitous question of how many children you have is none, the awkward silence or failure to further explore this answer that follows creates a social exclusion that childfree people have to learn to live with.
Such social exclusion may well lead to mental health issues but that’s difficult to prove empirically. The childless are not a homogeneous group and US research suggests negative attitudes towards childlessness are associated with higher levels of loneliness and depression.
People who choose to remain child-free have a range of motivations including some with a very well-honed social and environmental concern. Accepting all fertility choices will help us create a more inclusive and mentally healthy society
 

The_Hypocrite

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[h=1]Some people don't want kids - get over it[/h]OpinionThe Conversation
By Fran Baum
Posted Fri at 7:03amFri 22 May 2015, 7:03am
Photo: Societies overwhelmingly endorse reproduction; children grow up being told they will become parents one day, parents expect to become grandparents. (Supplied)

Once again people who choose to be child-free are facing stigma and derision. But accepting all fertility choices will help us create a more inclusive and mentally healthy society, writes Fran Baum.
A conversation about the merits or otherwise of choosing not to have kids has been simmering away since Pope Francis designated people who have made the choice as "selfish" earlier this year.
A couple of months after his comments, the issue was being discussed because of the film While We're Young and the US book Selfish, Shallow and Self-Absorbed. And now, the Australian media appears to be visiting this perennially interesting issue.
There's good reason for the enduring interest in people who choose not to breed. Societies overwhelmingly endorse reproduction; children grow up being told they will become parents one day, parents expect to become grandparents, and having children is universally endorsed as a good thing for all.
But even though we tend to expect everyone to reproduce, the number of childless people in most developed countries is increasing. Childlessness has steadily grown in all OECD countries but Australia has the second-highest rate of people not having children, after Italy. Australian census data show the number of childless women in the 45 to 49 age group increased from just 9 per cent in 1986 to 11 per cent in 1996 and 14 per cent in 2006.
Research I did for my doctoral thesis on voluntary childlessness in the United Kingdom suggested a variety of motives among people who choose to be childless. But some of the people I spoke to said many people were hostile to their decision not to have children and characterised them as selfish and even "unnatural". Although I did that work about 30 years ago, current debates about the issue show the same holds today.
[h=2]To have or have not[/h]People often have strong reasons for why they don't have children; they've often made the decision more thoughtfully than people who do choose to reproduce. Some of the people I spoke to made an idealistic decision based on their concern for the environment and were typically hoping to contribute to zero population growth. Others were hedonistic and preferred their Harley Davidson or other hobbies to children.
And some had practical reasons, such as a desire to not reproduce the depression that seemed recurrent in their family or their intention to pursue a career wholeheartedly rather than juggling parenting and a job. Some women feared not being supported in child rearing by their partner.
Emotional reasons drove some who noted they didn't have maternal or paternal feelings, and had never felt any drive or desire to have children. All these reasons resonate today, and the decision not to reproduce is still regarded with hostility by some.
Responses to childlessness are complex because the group includes people who are physically unable to have children even though they want them, and those who passively slid into childlessness with the passage of time, as well as people who have consciously chosen not to reproduce.
Unwanted childlessness often elicits pity and sympathy because the child-rearing experience is seen to be so rewarding that not to experience it becomes abnormal or unfortunate. But when people choose to be childless, this pity often tips over into approbation about how strange it is to not want the experience.
In part, there's a sense that people who want to be child-free are somehow draft-dodging the duty of parenthood; we've done it and suffered, so why haven't you? Or, all animals have to reproduce, so how come you haven't done your bit for the species?
[h=2]Something not quite right[/h]Then there's the perception that anyone who doesn't want to have children must in some way be lacking. Behind this lies the idea that it's natural and healthy to want to have children, and not wanting them suggests either selfishness or a psychological problem. Of course, childfree people may be selfish or have psychological problems, but many parents are too.
Another common perception is that people will regret their decision not to have children when they are old and have no one to help them. Although there isn't much research on this topic, a Norwegian survey of 5500 people between the ages of 40 and 80 found no evidence that childless adults have reduced well-being compared to people with children.
And US studies show that while childlessness does not increase loneliness and depression as such, older, divorced childless men are more likely to experience them.
But living in a society that puts often insidious and not very subtle pressure on people to have children can make those who choose not to feel deviant and marginalised from mainstream society. When the answer to the still-ubiquitous question of how many children you have is none, the awkward silence or failure to further explore this answer that follows creates a social exclusion that child-free people have to learn to live with.
Such social exclusion may well lead to mental health issues but that's difficult to prove empirically. The childless are not a homogeneous group and US research suggests negative attitudes towards childlessness are associated with higher levels of loneliness and depression.
People who choose to remain child-free have a range of motivations, including some with a very well-honed social and environmental concern. Accepting all fertility choices will help us create a more inclusive and mentally healthy society.
This is an edited version of an article the first appeared on The Conversation. Read the original.
Fran Baum is the Matthew Flinders Distinguished Professor and foundation director at the Southgate Institute for Health, Society & Equity at Flinders University.
 

laksaboy

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People with kids, just like married people, see me enjoying my life and all my free time and extra money, get obviously jealous or at least envious, constantly make comments like "you can only do that because you are single and/or don't have kids", and then 2 sentences later ask why I don't get into a relationship or have kids. It's as if they forgot what they just said! Hilarious!
 

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I have always thought that having children would bind the relationship between the husband and wife even more closely. Of course, there is always the empty nest syndrome. But that is another matter altogether.

Nevertheless, when a person or couple reaches 50 and above, priority change. One will find that career or money or even extra times don't count much, when you are all alone by yourself or only the two of you facing each other for the last 20 years. It will get very tiring.
 

The_Hypocrite

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Its also the Asian attitude of must marry and have kids especially sons etc that allows this pro kids attitude by the pappies to linger and linger,,,,some singkies even look down on those without kids especially without sons,,,and what is worse is sons have to serve NS,,give birth to sons for NS and Reservist and womens crapster,,r singkies dumb or what?

Tell that to the pro-family PAP govt. :wink:
 

JohnTan

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Couples who are childless fall into three categories: impotent, barren or miscarriage. All those other logical reasons are just bullshit.
 

enterprise2

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Couples who are childless fall into three categories: impotent, barren or miscarriage. All those other logical reasons are just bullshit.

Really! If u say so! Excuse me whilst I go for my threesome now... ! It's hard but somebody got to do it !
 

enterprise2

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Impotent, barren or miscarriage. Save that poppycock for your disappointed parents and close friends.

Parents? They happy too. No need to look after pesky kids! They r having a swinging time. Close friends? They r all with me having a orgy of a time! Cheers!
 

The_Hypocrite

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A lot of married people are soo upset and afraid that they cant 'steal eat' outside,,,so many singles go Pinoyland, Thailand etc and got 60 yo ah pek bang a 19 yo chick,,some have 2 or 3 at a time and much cheaper than getting married,,whereas john tan can only put a paper bag over his wife and dream of banging some SYT,

Parents? They happy too. No need to look after pesky kids! They r having a swinging time. Close friends? They r all with me having a orgy of a time! Cheers!
 

JohnTan

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We have to import so many FTs partly because too many sinkies are childless. Even a foreigner with a fake cert is better than a childless sinkie. And on top of the declining birth rate, we still have to contend with a growing group of retards who advocate that homosexuality is okay. Gays are also childless, unless a lesbian couple opt to go to a sperm bank or something.

Now you know the challenges facing the good PAP.
 

neddy

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We have to import so many FTs partly because too many sinkies are childless.

Now you know the challenges facing the good PAP.

In overcrowded societies, people are choosing not to have kids. And there are more gays and lesbians. It is a natural reaction to overcrowding. Scientific evidence about this reactio exist since the 1960s
 

neddy

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A lot of married people are soo upset and afraid that they cant 'steal eat' outside,,,so many singles go Pinoyland, Thailand etc and got 60 yo ah pek bang a 19 yo chick,,some have 2 or 3 at a time and much cheaper than getting married,,whereas john tan can only put a paper bag over his wife and dream of banging some SYT,

You can even go on nudist cruises or even swingers cruises. Temporary marriages are fun, esp with Persian beauties.
 

JohnTan

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In overcrowded societies, people are choosing not to have kids. And there are more gays and lesbians. It is a natural reaction to overcrowding. Scientific evidence about this reactio exist since the 1960s

Singapore is far from overcrowded. We have about 6 million residents even though the island can house 10 million people.
 
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