If you watch carefully... he insulted LKY and the way he manage Singapore. You can't separate LKY and Singapore. They are linked tightly!
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poor mom looks tired!
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If you watch carefully... he insulted LKY and the way he manage Singapore. You can't separate LKY and Singapore. They are linked tightly!
That is called insult LKY, they way HE manage sg, it is also insulting the HE.. pls go back and learn to listen and read.. go fuck yourself!!!
This country is not fucked up; sinkieland is a great country but the real fuck up are the policies implemented by the pappies which aim to please foreigners residing and working in the country.
Amos got into trouble because he violated one of the basic tenets of an orderly multiracial society in the island when he mocked a religion. Also, when he referred to LHL as a "mother ...", he overstepped the limit of tolerance.
This kid is a rebel without a cause.
Still it does not warrant an arrest toward him.. He has the right to speak..
The country is fucked up because many people are unable to handle comments that are scathing. They won't have to if they ignored the kid. The kid got into trouble because some of these people made police reports. The police, instead of dealing with real criminals, have so much time to arrest a juvenile, and the courts too have so much time to deal with a harmless kid. What the kid said have not stirred any riots or evoked sentiments. As far as I know, Christians are not easily worked up by comments, they've seen worse. "Motherfucker" is a common word we hear everyday; just watch TV, or the movies, it is not derogatory like "nigger" or "chink" or "bastard" it is a slang used to describe a person one does not consider friendly, anyone offended by that term is just sensitive. Amos is a teenager, if we expect finesse and good-manners from teenagers, we're in for a shock. Just observe them when they're in a group on their own, or think back when we in that age group. What were we like?
The kid, is a kid. Rebellion against the norms of society is normal teenage attitude. Some release angst through sports, some through music, others via drugs, some by vandalism, Amos only released his via a crude and "in-your-face" video. He hasn't hurt anybody, damaged any property. If he insulted someone in his age group, we might see a one-to-one fist fight, which no one would say there was anything wrong. But what we have here is the force of a nation's legal weight pressed onto a kid. Someone at my office commented, "Kill a monkey to scare the chickens." I don't know how that relates to society, but somehow it looks like what is happening.
Cheers!
The kid, is a kid. Rebellion against the norms of society is normal teenage attitude. Some release angst through sports, some through music, others via drugs, some by vandalism, Amos only released his via a crude and "in-your-face" video. He hasn't hurt anybody, damaged any property. If he insulted someone in his age group, we might see a one-to-one fist fight, which no one would say there was anything wrong. But what we have here is the force of a nation's legal weight pressed onto a kid. Someone at my office commented, "Kill a monkey to scare the chickens." I don't know how that relates to society, but somehow it looks like what is happening.
Cheers!
Sorry. It is becoming obvious this "right" does not exist in Singapore. From what has happened, there is no right to say what the state considers wrong.
Cheers!
Cheers!
You didn't reply to my question.
If those remarks & obscene drawings by Amos are for you and your father, would it say the same things ?
You will be clearer if you say Yes or No,
If he had Govern fairly and honestly no young 16 yrs wud go rattling away to release his fustration. How come it does not happen to the Mandela?
Why make the issue personal? I have noticed in many debates that if one party does not know how to rebut the opponent's argument, he would skirt around the issue by asking personal questions and/or resort to personal attacks..
Please debate on the issues, not get personal.
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I don't know about Agora, but if those remarks & obscene drawings are on me and my father, I would just ignore it. A mature individual should not take heart, abuses hurled by a child or someone who is not behaving normally.
Just to reiterate a lesson learnt from a CO in the army. (I have mentioned this anecdote a number of times) In front of all other officers and external controllers, an nsf scolded him with a string of the worst hokkien vulgarities anyone can think of. The CO calmly walked away. The other officers ordered him to be arrested and locked up in the guard house. After the exercise, the CO after understanding the mental state of the soldier did not charge him. Nobody think that the soldier was right. Everyone was angry with the soldier for his foolish action in front of external controllers. The image of the CO was not tarnished. There was only praise and more respect for the CO.
Public figures, such as politicians, entertainers are in the limelight and praise and criticism comes with their positions. If they can accept praises, they must likewise take criticisms.
Agree. An overkill imo. Let's wait for the court to decide. Probation for him, that is my bet.
They won't dare to give him a live weapon.
He has guts and his chakliaobee officers and NCOs will be afraid of offending him.
What can they do to him?
He has already served 3 days in jail.
That should scar him to do something great for sinkapore.
The mom and dad preferred the PAP to their son.
Sick parents that deserve the worst in life.
Sick parents that deserve the worst in life.
I believed that guy doing the video is a Singaporean that's why he dare not show his face and claims he never been to Singapore because he's afraid of the government simple as that .
I see a different picture. Parents might have made a strategic move. Lawyers likely to use parents refusal to bail as mitigation later on.
Did the soldier learn the lesson ?
Quote "Everyone was angry with the soldier for his foolish action in front of external controllers." Unquote.
That is the most important question.
What is the general public think of the soldier ? Did all agree that he is wrong ?
Quote " After the exercise, the CO after understanding the mental state of the soldier did not charge him. Nobody think that the soldier was right. " Unquote
Now , I ask you the same questions for Amos.
Did he learn the lesson ?
Did everyone agree that he was wrong ?
For the above case, the CO did the right thing not to charge him because both questions have the right answers.
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You don't get it, do you ?
The charges are made on Amos for all the offensive remarks against the late LKY and insensitive statements to Christianity that cause distress and harassment to the aggrieved and the public. These are the issues.
Now, it is easy for anyone to skip through the charges and say that those charges are harmless.
So, the right way to understand the feelings of the aggrieved parties is to put yourself under their skin and understand the impact of what it was said to them. If you can say to yourself, especially if the remarks were meant for you and your father that you are not at all affected, then truly, the charges are not the issues. But the sad thing is the other party has shown no remorse for what he said to you and your father.
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