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High minimum wage when your job do not deserves to earn that much?

Isogallardo

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The problem with minimum wage is that people want more. More than some jobs that requires more skills to execute. Then why set a minimum wage when we can have it progressive?

In Singapore, we have the progressive wage system that allows people to earn more by giving them training to handle more complex tasks. Isn't this better than having a flat minimum high wage?


So, real talk: your job isn’t worth 15 bucks an hour. Sure, as a human being, you’re priceless. As a child of God, you’re precious, a work of art, a freaking miracle. But your job wrapping hamburgers in foil and putting them in paper bags — that has a price tag, and the price tag ain’t anywhere close to the one our economy and society puts on teachers and mechanics.


Don’t like it? Well, you shouldn’t. It’s fast food. It’s menial. It’s mindless. It’s not supposed to be a career. It’s not supposed to be a living. An entry level position making roast beef sandwiches at Arby’s isn’t meant to be something you do for 26 years.

It isn’t paying enough? OK, get another job. Get a second job. Get a third job. Get a different job.

Trust me, this is a better plan than asking the government to force your employer to pay you significantly more than the market allows.

I know you might not care about the economics of this thing. After all, you aren’t economists (but with $15 an hour you’d almost be in the same income bracket). But it should be of some interest to learn a $15 an hour minimum wage would represent a steep tax on jobs. And the problem is simple: when you tax something, you get less of it.



http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/fast-food-workers-you-dont-deserve-15-an-hour-to-flip-burgers-and-thats-ok/
 

yellowarse

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You PAP IB morons are still stuck in the Stone Age. While you're still harping on your progressive wage, the world has moved on from minimum wage to living wage. It's not about the kind of job you do. It's about allowing a worker to receive a decent day's wages so that he can live in dignity and cover the basic costs of living without depending on the govt or others.

Naturally, both living and minimum wages depend on a particular country's or region's cost of living. Living wage in Singapore – the world's most expensive city – will naturally be much higher that in say, Malaysia or Thailand.

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What's a Living Wage?

A living wage is a decent wage. It affords the earner and her or his family the most basic costs of living without need for government support or poverty programs. With a living wage an individual can take pride in her work and enjoy the decency of a life beyond poverty, beyond an endless cycle of working and sleeping, beyond the ditch of poverty wages.

A living wage is a complete consideration of the cost of living. Wages vary according to location, as costs of living vary. A living wage in rural Louisiana is around $9.33, while in Washington, DC it's closer to $15 an hour. (learn how to calculate a living wage here: Living Wage 101) A living wage as opposed to the federal poverty line, takes into account the many necessary factors in calculating the actual costs in a specific geographic area. Both the Economic Policy Institute’s “Basic Family Budget” and Wider Opportunities for Women’s “Self Sufficiency Standard” use thorough research into the seven components of the cost of living to arrive at similar minimum incomes. You would do best to read the two organizations’ own descriptions and detail of their data and approach, but both are summarized here.
 

yellowarse

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What is the living wage?


  • 2 November 2014

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The living wage is not the same as the minimum wage

The living wage is based on the amount an individual needs to earn to cover the basic costs of living.

Because living costs vary in different parts of the country, there is a different rate for London and the rest of the UK.

It is promoted by the Living Wage Foundation.

It has received widespread political support, but limited endorsement by employers.

Prime Minister David Cameron has said he supports the idea in principle.

The Labour leader, Ed Miliband, favours making it part of his party's manifesto for the next general election.

Both London's former and current mayor, Ken Livingstone and Boris Johnson, are supporters.

The Greater London Authority (GLA) is among the organisations that pay the living wage to their employees.

 

xpo2015

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And you have no problems with Ministars earning millions? It is not difficult to be a Yes Man. Anyone could do the job!
 
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mojito

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If CEO of Temasek earns 20 mil a year, how can our Prime Minister and his team earn much less? Obviously the minimum wage for ministers have to be raised, otherwise no dignity.
 

McDonaldsKid

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You PAP IB morons are still stuck in the Stone Age. While you're still harping on your progressive wage, the world has moved on from minimum wage to living wage. It's not about the kind of job you do. It's about allowing a worker to receive a decent day's wages so that he can live in dignity and cover the basic costs of living without depending on the govt or others.

Naturally, both living and minimum wages depend on a particular country's or region's cost of living. Living wage in Singapore – the world's most expensive city – will naturally be much higher that in say, Malaysia or Thailand.

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What's a Living Wage?

A living wage is a decent wage. It affords the earner and her or his family the most basic costs of living without need for government support or poverty programs. With a living wage an individual can take pride in her work and enjoy the decency of a life beyond poverty, beyond an endless cycle of working and sleeping, beyond the ditch of poverty wages.

A living wage is a complete consideration of the cost of living. Wages vary according to location, as costs of living vary. A living wage in rural Louisiana is around $9.33, while in Washington, DC it's closer to $15 an hour. (learn how to calculate a living wage here: Living Wage 101) A living wage as opposed to the federal poverty line, takes into account the many necessary factors in calculating the actual costs in a specific geographic area. Both the Economic Policy Institute’s “Basic Family Budget” and Wider Opportunities for Women’s “Self Sufficiency Standard” use thorough research into the seven components of the cost of living to arrive at similar minimum incomes. You would do best to read the two organizations’ own descriptions and detail of their data and approach, but both are summarized here.

Bravo, well said.
 

Asterix

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Why the fuss over minimum wages?

Across the world, the issue of minimum wages arouses great passions – and lots of specious statistical claims. Last week, Walmart in the US decided to put all those arguments to the test in what is likely to be an epic experiment that will inform us all.

Long vilified for its low wages, the US’s largest private sector employer is about to hike the hourly wages of its 500,000 lowest-paid staff from the Federal minimum of US$7.25 to US$9.00 – with a further hike to US$10 next spring. The move will add over US$1 billion to its wage bill. This sounds painful, but set against annual revenues of US$486 billion, the pain won’t be as acute as it seems.

Already, there are some in US business that are predicting that Armageddon is about to be unleashed, in particular for fast-food groups like McDonalds and Pizza Hut.

This vividly reminds me of the epic panic in Hong Kong’s business community when the government unveiled plans to introduce a minimum wage. In 2010, in the midst of the debate, our business chambers rang loud alarm bells: the British Chamber opposed a minimum wage outright; a cleverly statistical – but ultimately specious – paper from the Hong Kong General Chamber warned of a danger that a minimum hourly wage of HK$28 (the minimum eventually set in May 2011) could lift unemployment from the then 5.2 per cent to between 7 per cent and 10.5 per cent. The HKGCC paper warned that a rate of HK$33 “would be unsustainable for many businesses, especially for the labour-intensive and low-paying sectors”.

In a couple of months, the minimum wage is likely to be lifted to HK$32.50, and on best evidence around me today, Armageddon has yet to descend. And unemployment has not risen as forecast. On the contrary, in the four years since a minimum wage was set, unemployment has fallen steadily. At last check it was 3.3 per cent.

Throughout this debate, I have lost friends in the business community by arguing that we have nothing to fear in a minimum wage – and on the contrary have much to gain.

First of all, the minimum wage affects most of us hardly at all. We earn so much more than the minimum, that the discussion can often seem remote. But for those that it does affect, the difference is critical. As has been noted in the US, even at US$10 an hour, a Walmart worker with a family of four would still need to rely on government assistance to be lifted above the US’s Federal poverty line.

Second, higher wages tend to cement employee commitment, reduce staff turnover, and reduce the amount of money a company has to pay in training new recruits.

Third, and perhaps most important, higher wages lift millions of households to income levels where they can become significant consumers – bringing net benefits to large parts of our economies. An extra $100 earned by a low wage earner will all be spent: an extra $100 earned by an already-wealthy business executive will mostly be saved.

Nowhere has this lesson been most forcefully learned and applied than in China, where minimum wages have been lifted during the past 10 years by an average of around 8 per cent a year. Officials looked at the iPhones leaving Foxconn in Dongguan at an export price tag of over US$170 apiece, and a final retail price of almost US$500, and realised that China was at the mug’s end of the value chain. It was capturing for the Chinese economy less than US$7 of the value of each US$500 iPhone, at the price of keeping hundreds of thousands of migrant labourers in drab poverty, occasionally throwing themselves out of dormitory windows.

China’s leaders keen to shift from reliance on exports to domestic consumer growth, have recognised that workers need to have cash in their pockets – which can only come from higher wages. Hong Kong employers in the Pearl River Delta may have kicked and screamed, and without doubt China’s global wage competitiveness has been reduced, but the message from China’s leaders was clear: wage competitiveness has no value if it locks your people in poverty. By forcing wages higher, they have given manufacturers a stark choice: close down, or improve productivity so that higher wages can be afforded. That forces innovation, which surely must be good.

For Hong Kong too, the message should be clear. This is a high-price, high-cost economy which will never win a game based on low-wage competition. If a company depends on such low wages, it has no place in Hong Kong, and should migrate elsewhere. A higher minimum wage will do Walmart no harm. And it will do Hong Kong no harm. On the contrary, slightly more youngsters might then one day be able to afford their own home.

David Dodwell is the executive director of the Hong Kong-Apec Trade Policy Group

http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1722933/why-fuss-over-minimum-wages
 

Leongsam

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The minimum wage in NZ has tripled over the last 15 years but it has done nothing to prevent "poverty".

All each minimum wage increase does is spark a new round of inflation to the point where the new minimum wage buys no more than the old minimum wage.

Businesses don't absorb minimum wage increases. What they do is pass them on and this includes the governments that legislate the minimum wage and orchestrate the increases in the form of election bribes.

The government of any country is invariably one of the biggest employers around and if the government wage bill goes up by 10%, you can bet your last dollar that it won't be the politicians themselves that foot the bill. They simply instruct the tax department to look for new source of revenue to balance the budget.
 

frenchbriefs

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U can debate about the effectiveness of minimum wage all you want but telling us to support "progressive wage" a PAP construct is beyond retarded.PAP and their stupid in dogs can take progressive wage and shove it up their ass.
 

JohnTan

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You PAP IB morons are still stuck in the Stone Age. While you're still harping on your progressive wage, the world has moved on from minimum wage to living wage. It's not about the kind of job you do. It's about allowing a worker to receive a decent day's wages so that he can live in dignity and cover the basic costs of living without depending on the govt or others.

Naturally, both living and minimum wages depend on a particular country's or region's cost of living. Living wage in Singapore – the world's most expensive city – will naturally be much higher that in say, Malaysia or Thailand.

Which part of the world, not counting those swamped in debt, have moved on to "living wage"?

Bosses will not pay more than what a worker is worth.

The problem with minimum wage is that unskilled and unproductive workers are demanding to be paid more than what the market says their skills set is worth.
 

frenchbriefs

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Which part of the world, not counting those swamped in debt, have moved on to "living wage"?

Bosses will not pay more than what a worker is worth.

The problem with minimum wage is that unskilled and unproductive workers are demanding to be paid more than what the market says their skills set is worth.

I believe 12 out of 13 of the oecd countries are on minimum wage and low ginis.in Asia the most highly developed countries Japan and south Korea are also welfare superpowers.hong Kong recently also joined their ranks in implementing living wages.
 

yellowarse

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Which part of the world, not counting those swamped in debt, have moved on to "living wage"?

The Scandinavian countries and Switzerland already peg their minimum wage at a living wage level.

Both Cameron and Miliband are committed to legislating living wage in the UK, which already has voluntary living wage.

In the US, there are already 122 living wage ordinances in cities with 75 more under consideration. States with living wage laws include California, Maryland, New Mexico. Cities with living wage laws include Chicago and Washington D.C.

Living wage movements are already starting in Australia and NZ.

And Singapore is still talking about the bullshit 'progressive wage'.


Article 23 of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights: "Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and for his family an existence worthy of human dignity."
 

Asterix

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............

First of all, the minimum wage affects most of us hardly at all. We earn so much more than the minimum, that the discussion can often seem remote. But for those that it does affect, the difference is critical. As has been noted in the US, even at US$10 an hour, a Walmart worker with a family of four would still need to rely on government assistance to be lifted above the US’s Federal poverty line.

Second, higher wages tend to cement employee commitment, reduce staff turnover, and reduce the amount of money a company has to pay in training new recruits.

Third, and perhaps most important, higher wages lift millions of households to income levels where they can become significant consumers – bringing net benefits to large parts of our economies. An extra $100 earned by a low wage earner will all be spent: an extra $100 earned by an already-wealthy business executive will mostly be saved.

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http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1722933/why-fuss-over-minimum-wages

Wunderbar!

[video=youtube;LLXrGT78uuo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLXrGT78uuo[/video]
 

JohnTan

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The Scandinavian countries and Switzerland already peg their minimum wage at a living wage level.

Both Cameron and Miliband are committed to legislating living wage in the UK, which already has voluntary living wage.

In the US, there are already 122 living wage ordinances in cities with 75 more under consideration. States with living wage laws include California, Maryland, New Mexico. Cities with living wage laws include Chicago and Washington D.C.

Living wage movements are already starting in Australia and NZ.

And Singapore is still talking about the bullshit 'progressive wage'.


Article 23 of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights: "Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and for his family an existence worthy of human dignity."

Singapore system is still the best. Majority of the voters agree so. Look at this ad.

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