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The most 'inspired' writers contradicting accounts of Jesus resurrection!

drifteri

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Matthew 28:1 states two women (Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary) came to the tomb;

Mark 16:1 states it was three women (Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome); Luke 24:10 agrees it was three women but gives a different list of three than Mark (Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James); John 20:1 states it was only Mary Magdalene.

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Mark 16:2 states "the sun had risen" at the time of this visit, while John 20:1 states "it was still dark."

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Matthew 28:2 says "an angel" "came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it";

Mark 16:5 says the women encountered "a young man sitting at the right" of the tomb (rather than upon the stone); Luke 24:4 says they saw "two men" who "suddenly stood near them in dazzling clothing"; i

n John 20:1, Mary Magdalene saw nothing other than a moved stone.

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There is also a discrepancy as to whatever dialogue occurred between this angel(s) or man (men) and the women:

Matthew 28:5-7 and Mark 16:6-7 generally agree the women were told that Jesus (peace be upon him) had risen, and instructed to advise the disciples that "He has risen from the dead; and behold, He is going ahead of you into Galilee, there you will see Him" (Matthew 28:7), and ;

Luke 24:6-7 contains no instruction to advise the disciples about an appearance by Issa in Galilee.

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To whom did Jesus (peace be upon him) appear first: Mary Magdalene and the other Mary as Matthew 28:9 claims? Mary Magdalene only as Mark 16:9 claims? Cephas (Peter) and then the other disciples, as 1 Corinthians 15:5 claims? Matthew 28:9 claims that Issa (peace be upon him) appeared before the women even had reported to the disciples what the found (or didnt) at the tomb.

Also in Mark 16:9 the appearance to Mary Magdalene was before Mary made any report to the disciples. However, John and Luke report no appearance before the women reported an empty tomb to the disciples.

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Which disciples went to the tomb: Peter alone (Luke 24:12)? Peter and John (John 20:2-8)? Did the disciples believe the reports of the women (or woman) and proceed to Galilee, as Matthew 28:16 claims? Or did they disbelieve these reports as Mark 16:11 and Luke 24:11 claim?

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In appearing to the disciples, to whom did Jesus (peace be upon him) first appear: All eleven together (Matthew 28:17-18)? Two of them on the road, then to all eleven together (Mark 16:12-14 and Luke 24:13-31)? To ten of the eleven (minus Thomas) together (John 20:19-24)? To Peter, then the others (1 Corinthians 15:5)? The story recounted in John 20:25-29 is all premised on an appearance of Jesus (peace be upon him) before the disciples at which Thomas was not present! Matthew 28:17-18, Mark 16:12-14 and Luke 24:13-31 all disagree with John about any such meeting taking place in the absence of Thomas!

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In Acts and the Gospel of Luke, the disciples were commanded to stay in Jerusalem and, in fact, met Jesus (peace be upon him) there (see Acts 1:4 and Luke 24:33, 47, 49). In Matthew 28:10 and Mark 16:6-7, the disciples are commanded to go to Galilee, and in Matthew 28:16-18, we are told they see Jesus (peace be upon him) there, not in or near Jerusalem!

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Mark says that after appearing before the eleven disciples together in Gallilee, Jesus (peace be upon him) ascended to Heaven (Mark 16: 14, 19). Luke says Jesus (peace be upon him) ascended to Heaven at Bethany after walking with the disciples some time (Luke 24:50-51). John says Jesus (peace be upon him) appeared to the disciples at three times and that some of these appearances were near the Sea of Gallilee (Lake Tiberias) (John 21:1, 14). According to Acts the disciples were at Mt. Olivet, a days journey from Jerusalem, when the ascension occurred (Acts 1:9-12).

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In 1 Corinthians 15:5-8, it is claimed that Jesus (peace be upon him) appeared to more than five hundred witnesses before his ascent to heaven - a claim directly contradicted at least by Mark, who says the ascension occurred immediately after an appearance before the eleven disciples (Mark 16: 14, 19).
 

drifteri

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What occurred on the day of Christ's Resurrection?

Surprisingly the first four distinct accounts are portrayed as truth in the Bible. The following is a table which shows the variation in each story.
Book Who goes to the tomb Guards Boulder
Who tells what happened
Mathew Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of JamesyesOne flying angel on the boulder.
Mark Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and SalomenoOne young man in the tomb. But the women told no one.
Luke Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, Joanna, and some other womennoTwo men in the tomb.
John (2 visits) Marynono one
Mary and the disciplesnoTwo angels and Jesus

Accounts of strayed cats abduction have more consistency! :wink:
 

Frodo

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What occurred on the day of Christ's Resurrection?

Surprisingly the first four distinct accounts are portrayed as truth in the Bible. The following is a table which shows the variation in each story.
Book Who goes to the tomb Guards Boulder
Who tells what happened
Mathew Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of JamesyesOne flying angel on the boulder.
Mark Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and SalomenoOne young man in the tomb. But the women told no one.
Luke Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, Joanna, and some other womennoTwo men in the tomb.
John (2 visits) Marynono one
Mary and the disciplesnoTwo angels and Jesus

Accounts of strayed cats abduction have more consistency! :wink:

DIVA is completely ignorant of the many times that Christian apologists have dealt with these alleged contradictions. Why DIVA like to eat back own vomit or flog a dead horse? LOL!
 

wrcboi

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DIVA is completely ignorant of the many times that Christian apologists have dealt with these alleged contradictions. Why DIVA like to eat back own vomit or flog a dead horse? LOL!

Father Frodo ~!! Can you please explain how did Christian apologists dealt with these "alleged contradictions" ????
 

Frodo

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Father Frodo ~!! Can you please explain how did Christian apologists dealt with these "alleged contradictions" ????

They are freely available online. Below are some I googled. I don't claim to have read all of them but the point is to tell you that such harmonisations have been done many times already. The critics never bring anything new to the table, always the same-old same-old and flogging dead horse.:rolleyes:

http://www.gotquestions.org/resurrection-accounts.html
http://www.tektonics.org/harmonize/greenharmony.htm
http://www.answering-islam.org/Andy/Resurrection/harmony.html
http://evidenceforchristianity.org/...he-resurrection-are-hopelessly-contradictory/

Please think hard about this: If you were the inventor of Christianity, what purpose would 4 Gospels serve, with 4 apparent contradictions in the resurrection accounts, if your purpose was to get people to believe you?
 

drifteri

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Father Frodo ~!! Can you please explain how did Christian apologists dealt with these "alleged contradictions" ????

This is how they would cover up the contradictions:
A: Frodo’s wife works as a KTV hostess in hotel nasa jaya
B: She works as a masseuse in hotel bluewave
C: She is selling porno DVD in ah fook lane
D: She is not a masseuse, but a healthcare therapist working in perling
E: She was seen leaving hotel ksl with one indian man
F: She was seen leaving hotel malaka with a few indian men

Conclusion: These are different accounts on the same person, there is no contradiction.

Only dumb sheep and delusional gong cheebyes will buy in to this easy and simple white wash.
Creationists are very ‘creative’ but less than honest in countering adversaries on their delusions. Creationists generate shit load of lies to cover for old lies.
 

wrcboi

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They are freely available online. Below are some I googled. I don't claim to have read all of them but the point is to tell you that such harmonisations have been done many times already. The critics never bring anything new to the table, always the same-old same-old and flogging dead horse.:rolleyes:

http://www.gotquestions.org/resurrection-accounts.html
http://www.tektonics.org/harmonize/greenharmony.htm
http://www.answering-islam.org/Andy/Resurrection/harmony.html
http://evidenceforchristianity.org/...he-resurrection-are-hopelessly-contradictory/

Please think hard about this: If you were the inventor of Christianity, what purpose would 4 Gospels serve, with 4 apparent contradictions in the resurrection accounts, if your purpose was to get people to believe you?


Father Frodo!!! Have u read those online articles? they dont make any logic sense at all....adding their own views.....merry go round with the bible....


I have thought very hard and there is no logic sense

and if David Blaine and David Copperfield were to be transported back to say 3000years ago...they would be worshipped as well....everything doesnt make sense at all.....
 

Frodo

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Father Frodo!!! Have u read those online articles? they dont make any logic sense at all....adding their own views.....merry go round with the bible....


I have thought very hard and there is no logic sense

and if David Blaine and David Copperfield were to be transported back to say 3000years ago...they would be worshipped as well....everything doesnt make sense at all.....

Give specific examples please.:rolleyes:
 

drifteri

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Father Frodo!!! Have u read those online articles? they dont make any logic sense at all....adding their own views.....merry go round with the bible....


I have thought very hard and there is no logic sense

Exposing the infallacy tactics use by sideline christians to twist in defence of their salvation delusional:

(1) They’ll nitpick the definition of “contradiction.” Contradictions, they’ll say, are two sentences of the form “A” and “not-A.” For example: “Jesus was born in Bethlehem” and “Jesus was not born in Bethlehem.” Being precise helps make sure we communicate clearly, but this can also be a caltrop argument, a way of dodging the issue. These sure sound like contradictions to me, but if you’d prefer to imagine that we’re talking about “incongruities” or “inconsistencies,” feel free.

(2) They’ll respond to these “inconsistencies” by harmonizing the gospels. That is, instead of following the facts where they lead and considering that the gospels might be legend instead of history, they insist on their Christian presupposition, reject any alternatives, and bludgeon all the gospels together like a misshapen Swiss Army knife.


(3) They’ll try to turn this weakness into a strength by arguing that four independent stories (the gospels aren’t, but never mind) shouldn’t agree on every detail. If they did, one would imagine collusion rather than accurate biography. Yes, biography and collusion are two possibilities, but another is that this could be legend.

Read more: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/crosse...-in-the-resurrection-account-2/#ixzz3XjY100PO
 

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We have to understand that the Bible was written by no less than 40 writers and these writers wrote the text either they had personally observed, witness or heard the story (like some of the writing like those from Apostle Paul, John) and by speaking to eye-witnesses. In the Old Testament, we also read about writings that were inspired through dreams and in the New Testament, the Book of Revelation was revealed to John by vision.

It is inevitable that when a story (or history) that has a common theme and was spoken or written by dozens of people, you can surely find some differences and sometimes even contradictions. Our recent TV programme on the Bukit Ho Swee fire proved this. Thousands were running away from the fire and were made homeless but if you interviewed these people each of them would tell you different story. Never one is exactly the same. But the truth is there was a big fire in Singapore in a kampong called Bukit Ho Swee and ten of thousands were made homeless. How the fire start, for example, was no of primarily importance. As far as the historical fact of the Bukit Ho Swee, this is 100% truth - there was a fire - but the details are far from 100% the same.

When people questioned the stories in the Bible pointing our the differences, the contradictions, etc but we have to understand (biblically-speaking) that central theme is clear: Man has sinned and fall short of the glory of God. We need a Saviour (told from the Old Testament to the New Testament) to redeem our sin and only Jesus, the Son of God, do this work of redemption. No other can.

The Bible has one theme but many accounts because there were many writers and this proves that there was no conspiracy. it would not make any sense, for example, for the four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) to be exactly the same, word-for-word. If that was the case, then why we need four gospels. The differences proved one important fact: there was no conspiracy. Writers wrote what they had saw or heard personally. They did not conspire with one another.

God bless.
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We have to understand that the Bible was written by no less than 40 writers and these writers wrote the text either they had personally observed, witness or heard the story (like some of the writing like those from Apostle Paul, John) and by speaking to eye-witnesses. In the Old Testament, we also read about writings that were inspired through dreams and in the New Testament, the Book of Revelation was revealed to John by vision.

It is inevitable that when a story (or history) that has a common theme and was spoken or written by dozens of people, you can surely find some differences and sometimes even contradictions. Our recent TV programme on the Bukit Ho Swee fire proved this. Thousands were running away from the fire and were made homeless but if you interviewed these people each of them would tell you different story. Never one is exactly the same. But the truth is there was a big fire in Singapore in a kampong called Bukit Ho Swee and ten of thousands were made homeless. How the fire start, for example, was no of primarily importance. As far as the historical fact of the Bukit Ho Swee, this is 100% truth - there was a fire - but the details are far from 100% the same.

When people questioned the stories in the Bible pointing our the differences, the contradictions, etc but we have to understand (biblically-speaking) that central theme is clear: Man has sinned and fall short of the glory of God. We need a Saviour (told from the Old Testament to the New Testament) to redeem our sin and only Jesus, the Son of God, do this work of redemption. No other can.

The Bible has one theme but many accounts because there were many writers and this proves that there was no conspiracy. it would not make any sense, for example, for the four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) to be exactly the same, word-for-word. If that was the case, then why we need four gospels. The differences proved one important fact: there was no conspiracy. Writers wrote what they had saw or heard personally. They did not conspire with one another.

God bless.
Psalm23

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