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Son of ex ISA detainee Fong Swee Suan on LKY in the hospital:

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Otto Fong
Yesterday at 2:20pm ·

On LKY in the hospital:

It's hard to like the man. In his quest to build a nation of his vision, he screwed over some very good men and women. Dr Lim Hock Siew, Lim Chin Siong, and of course, my dad Fong Swee Suan. My family has had to live with the labels he pushed upon dad for decades, and I'm not sure the inconvenience has ever completely stopped. The hard line attitude LKY held for art and artists have definitely hurt our creative industry as newer leaders tried to do what he did in the new era.

However, LKY has given his whole life to Singapore. Moving the country out of poverty, building a strong middle-class group, and educating enough people so that we become a knowledge-based economy are no mean tasks. The deals LKY have to make with the various powers inside and outside of the country certainly came with massive strings attached - our policies cannot be made in a vacuum without taking our neighbors and the world into consideration.

We must forgive, and we must not forget. We keep fighting for what is right, but we fight respectfully. And certainly give credit where credit is due.

A man of his time is lying in the hospital. I wish upon him as I would someone who has done more good to more people than harm to others, as a man with a family who loves him dearly: To Mr Lee Kuan Yew and family, more health and less suffering, more happiness and less pain.

(Special thanks to Weeteck Yeoh for his inspiring post on the issue.)
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frenchbriefs

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Fuck him,he built a country that's based on nothing but cronyism and tripartism and nepotism and god knows what.u sincerely tell me that a man with good intentions would have everything under his control,from the military to the unions to constitution to the judiciary system to the parliament to the media and the national coffers and the state economy. Built the country my ass.even when British left our country Singapore was a thriving economy with a GDP that's far higher than most of the world.if u want to talk about miracles look at south Korean economy.after the Korean war in the 1960s.south Korea was a totally destructed and destitute country with a GDP of 97 usd per year compared to our 3000usd gdp.yet they rose first with communism and socialism to one of the superpowers today one of the genuine g20 countries(Singapore isn't even g20) and the first Asian country to be in the oecd.they are giants in the automobile,electronics,household appliance,steel,and it industry.what is Singapore ?nothing .

Singapore makes nothing except cheap labor.south Koreans are huge risk takers because they have lost everything before and know what its like to have no hope.
 
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HTOLAS

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Note that no PAPzis or their relations showed even a fraction of Otto's magnanimity or grace when Lim Hock Siew, JBJ, Lee Siew Choh or Lim Chin Siong passed on.
 

JohnTan

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Note that no PAPzis or their relations showed even a fraction of Otto's magnanimity or grace when Lim Hock Siew, JBJ, Lee Siew Choh or Lim Chin Siong passed on.

PAP is giving the sinkies what they want: good jobs, money to spend, housing, security, reliable utilities. Sinkies told PAP every elections that as long PAP could provide them with a good future, sinkies will accept whatever PAP will do. PAP learnt that fact from the grassroots, and the grassroots also help explain the government's economic and social policies. It was a mutual exchange done willingly.

At no time were there stuffed ballot boxes. At no time were sinkies forced at gun point to vote for PAP. At no time were elections suddenly cancelled and replaced with martial law. Sinkies got exactly what they voted for. If you are upset over some perceived injustice, take it up with your own parents and neighbours for voting PAP en masse for every elections.

If sinkies want morality, then fuck off to some temple in Nepal.
 

krafty

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john tan is not the victim...of course he can talk like lky is his fuck buddy. if this happen to his love one, i think he will be cursing and swearing...:biggrin:
 

virus

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john tan is not the victim...of course he can talk like lky is his fuck buddy. if this happen to his love one, i think he will be cursing and swearing...:biggrin:

Even a broken watch is right twice a day. So keep rubbing in, n good karma will get to you.
 

JohnTan

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john tan is not the victim...of course he can talk like lky is his fuck buddy. if this happen to his love one, i think he will be cursing and swearing...:biggrin:

Friend, I am a grassroots guy. I see and talk to a lot more people than you do. I also was there back in the 1970s and 1980s. My grassroots buddies and myself talked to a lot of sinkies on the ground about these matters. Vast majority of them felt a pang of injustice, but they still voted for PAP because they wanted the money, jobs and good utilities more and they believed getting all these was sufficient enough for them to turn the other way.

You also saw for yourself in GE2011. Most people did not vote for the lady who was a former detainee. It proves that people care more about bread-and-butter issues over morality.
 

xpo2015

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Proverbs 25 New International Version (NIV)
More Proverbs of Solomon

If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat;
if he is thirsty, give him water to drink.
22 In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head,
and the Lord will reward you.
 

laksaboy

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Proverbs 25 New International Version (NIV)
More Proverbs of Solomon

If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat;
if he is thirsty, give him water to drink.
22 In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head,
and the Lord will reward you.

Heap burning coals? Nah. Giving him pneumonia would suffice. :wink:
 

Force 136

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PAP is giving the sinkies what they want: ..........

At no time were there stuffed ballot boxes. At no time were sinkies forced at gun point to vote for PAP.


Not true Mr John Tan - In 1963 Referendum to join the Malaysian Federation, we were given only 3 options:
a. Join as a state in Malaya
b. Join under the terms of North Borneo and Sarawak
c. Join under the terms agreed by PAP with the Central govt in KL

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Those who do not support joining Malaysia were not given an option. Because of this the Barisan Socialists walked out of the elections......... They were proven correct in 1965 when Singapore was expelled from Malaysia.
 

bigboss

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PAP is giving the sinkies what they want: good jobs, money to spend, housing, security, reliable utilities. Sinkies told PAP every elections that as long PAP could provide them with a good future, sinkies will accept whatever PAP will do. PAP learnt that fact from the grassroots, and the grassroots also help explain the government's economic and social policies. It was a mutual exchange done willingly....

It is a grave misconception to say that the pappies did it all for only sinkies. It is just like a puppet show to make sinkies believe that the pappies are the best to govern the country.

If this is not a puppet show, why are foreigners especially SPRs given privileges almost similar to those extended to locals, and which no other country in the world, even the USA, would even extend to foreigners?

The pappies are not really looking after the interests of sinkies.
 

bigboss

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The Fong guy is civil, and demonstrated forgiveness.
In Cantonese, they say "tai fong"

He is tai fong because he was not the one in the cold cell way back then. If both father and son had made the same statement, then it would be fair to say he is tai fong. Otherwise, he is only farting.
 

laksaboy

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He is tai fong because he was not the one in the cold cell way back then. If both father and son had made the same statement, then it would be fair to say he is tai fong. Otherwise, he is only farting.

It's not uncommon for offspring or descendants of dissidents to be turncoats, especially when the rice bowl is at stake. For example, Phillip Jeyaratnam.
 
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