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Article : Governance surrounding PAP TC far more serious than AHPETC!

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“Something is rotten in the state of Denmark” says Marcellus in Shakespeare’s Hamlet. In coffee shops around Singapore and online forums the sentiment is similar even if the phraseology used is somewhat more colloquial.

The proceedings in Parliament last week during the motion to discuss the Auditor-General’s findings of lapses in the Workers’ Party-run Aljunied-Hougang-Punggol East Town Council, if anything, confirmed suspicions that the People’s Action Party is concerned mainly with two things—high salaries for themselves and partisanship so that they can hold onto their highly-paid positions. The interests of Singaporeans ranks third at best although some would consider this a kind assessment.

Law Minister, K. Shanmugam, presented a chart in parliament to show that AHPETC pays significantly more to its Managing Agent, FM Services & Solutions, than MAs in PAP-run town councils are paid. The WP is accused of paying double the rate for commercial units within AHPETC and of overpaying FMSS by approximately $1.6m per year compared to PAP town councils. As FMSS has close affiliations to WP, one of the suggestions is that cronyism is at play.

The irony is lost on the PAP that cronyism is exactly what it has been accused of for years and, by creating a climate where everything it touches is politicised, it is PAP's own warped standards of corporate governance that is on trial here.


It now seems that the MA rate comparisons which were presented in Parliament were for 2014 and that if similar comparisons had been made for previous years, it would have told a different story. A conspiracy theory, now going viral, postulates that MA rates in PAP town councils had been significantly reduced in 2014 possibly to demonstrate that the PAP is able to get better deals for its constituents and that the reason WP is paying more for management services must be that it is lining the pockets of its cronies.

If the theory is true, it is convenient indeed that the PAP town councils were able to secure far better rates from their existing MAs a year before general elections are expected when they had paid more the previous three years.

Again, if true, then—to borrow the words of PAP MP Hri Kumar— “this entire episode raises questions about the competence, accountability and integrity” of the PAP and related entities.

These questions of the PAP are not new. In 2010, PAP sold off its town council management software, which had cost taxpayers over $23m, to a $2 company named Action Information Management run by two former PAP MPs. The software was sold for $140,000. This disclosure in 2013 forced PAP to admit that it owned private companies though it provided no details relating to the number and nature of these businesses. It is claimed that this curious business deal was done to deprive the WP, which won the Aljunied Group Representation Constituency in the historic 2011 General Elections, of vital infrastructure it needed to run its town council effectively.

To allay suggestions of impropriety, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong ordered the Ministry of National Development to review the transaction dubbed "AIM-gate" by netizens. Predictably, MND reported that the sale of software to AIM complied with regulations and there was no conflict of interest. But few were persuaded by these findings. If anything, the MND report exposed Singapore's brand of corporate governance as falling woefully short of international standards.

To the public—which PAP seems to take for fools—the party’s actions since 2011, in particular, reflect a consistent and obvious pattern. It seems obsessed with scoring political points by derailing WP’s running of AHPETC in the vain hope of correcting the ignominy of losing a GRC. The WP’s claim that large, established companies providing services to the PAP are reluctant to take on additional business if it means working with the opposition is entirely believable. If the PAP is responsible for this, then its methods are underhanded and it is sad that the party is willing to use Singaporeans as collateral damage, even those who voted for the party in Aljunied GRC.


This pattern of behaviour goes further back. In 2006, PM Lee had spoken about the possible need to “fix” the opposition. In fact, prior to that, Lee’s father and mentor, Lee Kuan Yew—who had also used words such as “fix” and “knuckle-dusters” in relation to his political opponents—had famously spoken about the need to rig the system so that, in the event of a freak election, the party taking over would not survive its first term.

On the matter of the PAP town councils' MA rates, the party would do well to explain if it was paying higher rates prior to 2014. If so, how were the town councils suddenly able to negotiate significantly lower rates using the same vendors? Had PAP town councils been over-paying prior to 2014? Are the lower rates due to a reduction of services from the MAs?

Since the town councils use different MAs—each with its own unique corporate structure and overheads—it would be most suspicious indeed if the PAP town councils were able to negotiate lower rates with all of them.

As MA rates, in part, determine the Services and Conservancy Charges to be charged to residents and businesses, will there be a consequent reduction in S&CC rates?

For a party accustomed to tooting its horns, it is rather unlike the PAP to not have publicly announced the awesome deals it got from their MAs last year and reductions in S&CC rates as a pre-election sweetener. So perhaps all this is nothing more than theories by conspiracists bored with the lack of intrigue in local politics.

If, on the other hand, there is some truth to the allegations, the PAP would do well to provide compelling explanations. Because MA-gate in an election year could prove to be bigger than AIM-gate.



Masked Crusader

*The writer blogs at http://maskedcrusader.blogspot.sg/
 

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Shamu and Cow have chosen to remain silent on the mistake pointed out by Sylvia Lim.

They have not commented on how much more residents have to pay devolution of estate maintenance from HDB to town councils.

You see, the town councils concept was implemented by the PAP to reward its cronies. The HDB went with one contractor ...so only one company could be fed. With town councils, the pie was cut up to many pieces so that many cronies can get their slice.
 

ginfreely

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Shamu and Cow have chosen to remain silent on the mistake pointed out by Sylvia Lim.

They have not commented on how much more residents have to pay devolution of estate maintenance from HDB to town councils.

You see, the town councils concept was implemented by the PAP to reward its cronies. The HDB went with one contractor ...so only one company could be fed. With town councils, the pie was cut up to many pieces so that many cronies can get their slice.

Yes, why is running town council part of requirement of being opposition. We are more concerned with national issues and not town council issues now.
 

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Yes, why is running town council part of requirement of being opposition.

It's a devious scheme by PAP so that they can hantam a potentially threatening opposition. There should NOT be any town councils in Singapore. All HDB flats and surroundings should be maintained by HDB contractors, and residents will feedback directly to HDB on the performance of the contractors.

Down with the town councils! They are just an excuse for the white cronies to siphon off our hard-earned monies.
 

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It's a devious scheme by PAP so that they can hantam a potentially threatening opposition. There should NOT be any town councils in Singapore. All HDB flats and surroundings should be maintained by HDB contractors, and residents will feedback directly to HDB on the performance of the contractors.

Down with the town councils! They are just an excuse for the white cronies to siphon off our hard-earned monies.

I guesstimate that the town council concept has cost us at least double the amount that was spent when maintenance was under the HDB.
HDB headcount remains ...town councils hire more ...loss of economies of scale in procurement ...payoff AIMs for 'management services' and lease of software ....and many more miscellaneous expenses.
Lots of PAP cronies are happy with TC concept. Move everything back to HDB, there will be riots.
 

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It's a devious scheme by PAP so that they can hantam a potentially threatening opposition. There should NOT be any town councils in Singapore. All HDB flats and surroundings should be maintained by HDB contractors, and residents will feedback directly to HDB on the performance of the contractors.

Down with the town councils! They are just an excuse for the white cronies to siphon off our hard-earned monies.

Yeah come to think of it, really inefficient to have so many big and small town councils. All should give to HDB indeed or maybe do like the bus operations, merge all into one or two operators and then after some years outsource to a few operators again.
 

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Yeah come to think of it, really inefficient to have so many big and small town councils. All should give to HDB indeed or maybe do like the bus operations, merge all into one or two operators and then after some years outsource to a few operators again.

That will not happen ...PAP introduce TC to keep cronies happy. To take that rice bowl away from them would lead to cronies sabo PAP.
 

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the whole freaking nonsense of debating town council issues in lumparliament is pure distraction.

what about cpf? how is that coming to?

On the other hand, if MPs are primarily town councillors, then what about private estates? those MPs do wat fuck?
 

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The question about cronism in PAP wards that have been going on for years is undenied even to the daftest Sinkie.

But the question is or rather was since the issue is already out in the open...

WHY SHOULD WP CREATE THE KIND OF CRONISM WHICH THEY PREACHED SO HARD ( SPECIALLY DURING ELECTION) TO AVOID BUT IN A SHORT FEW YEARS ENDING DOING IT THEMSELVES INSTEAD?
 

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The question about cronism in PAP wards that have been going on for years is undenied even to the daftest Sinkie.

But the question is or rather was since the issue is already out in the open...

WHY SHOULD WP CREATE THE KIND OF CRONISM WHICH THEY PREACHED SO HARD ( SPECIALLY DURING ELECTION) TO AVOID BUT IN A SHORT FEW YEARS ENDING DOING IT THEMSELVES INSTEAD?

I never heard the WP preach against cronyism exactly. This is not to say they are for it. They don't bother to point out the flaws of the PAP which are obvious to everyone. No point right. The WP never takes on the moral failings of the MIW. After all the netizens can do that well enough. They are quite focused - " This policy or law not good, here's how to make it better".

On the issue of FMSS, let me ask. If nobody else is willing to help you and you ask your friend to take it on, must your friend do it for free ? Should he do it at minimal charge especially if the effort is great and risk to him is high and frankly you can well afford to pay him ? Don't drink the PAP kool aid. There is no market rate for TC services. The MA who took on APHTEC was starting from scorched earth. What would you ask to take on that job? I do agree that once systems are in place the charges should moderate. That's up to the WP to negotiate. Most of the residents of APHTEC understand this. The rabid PAP supporters of course pine for the good old days ( to quote KBW). Of the two parties, the PAP will have a harder time persuading ordinary people they are on their side. It just does not ring true. You cannot fool all the people all of the time.

When LKY took on the government he had to ask friends like Barker to help him. They were not exactly crazy about the financial sacrifice that this entailed. Not everyone was a kept man like LKY described himself (meaning his wife earned more than him). Salary was adjusted to make it possible for good men to serve. Nothing wrong with bringing your friends in. The WP did not hide anything as far as I can see. Things are messy because of the handover. The PAP shares some blame for that.
 
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When LKY realized the PAPzis were going downhill, he took the first steps to fix the opposition. First, he preyed on Singaporeans' cowardice, by introducing town councils and having MPs run them (1986). He was certain that the populace would be scared of having non PAPzi MPs run their estates.

Then, he targeted the OPs by introducing the GRC system (1988). He figured that the OPs would have difficulty forming themselves into viable teams.

Though he was mostly right on both counts, the populace had the gumption of doubling the number of OP seats in 1988 (from 2 to 4). Not only that, people like LTK turned out to be quite good at running TCs and through the TC system able to connect to residents that the new PAPzi scholar leaders could only dream of. Also, parties like WP began to attract people who had the common touch.

And the OPs were able to put up often rag-tag-fugitive teams to run in the GRCs.

So, the fixing had had an effect but it also backfired in ways they hadn't expected. It threw up a breed of OP MPs that was politically stubborn and which could connect with the people.

So, now, the PAPzis are truly panicking but also clueless about how they should continue. What do they do? Go back to old tricks. They may after all be right, but my guess is they will not make it; they will be the greatest party that took a small country from 3rd world to first and then lost everything because of their fear got the better of them and they began to undo the good that they had done.
 

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@HTOLAS

"So, now, the PAPzis are truly panicking but also clueless about how they should continue. What do they do? Go back to old tricks. They may after all be right, but my guess is they will not make it; they will be the greatest party that took a small country from 3rd world to first and then lost everything because of their fear got the better of them and they began to undo the good that they had done."

Yes, they took a wrong turn somewhere. If they don't admit it to themselves they will have a hard time getting on track.
 

vtran2684

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but alas, even if WP wants to introduce a motion talking about PAP Town Councils, the PAP controlled and siding speaker will never allow it nor will the Leader of the House.
 

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I guesstimate that the town council concept has cost us at least double the amount that was spent when maintenance was under the HDB.
HDB headcount remains ...town councils hire more ...loss of economies of scale in procurement ...payoff AIMs for 'management services' and lease of software ....and many more miscellaneous expenses.
Lots of PAP cronies are happy with TC concept. Move everything back to HDB, there will be riots.

Woody Gohz idea to fend off potential opposition then......
 

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When LKY realized the PAPzis were going downhill, he took the first steps to fix the opposition. First, he preyed on Singaporeans' cowardice, by introducing town councils and having MPs run them (1986). He was certain that the populace would be scared of having non PAPzi MPs run their estates.

Then, he targeted the OPs by introducing the GRC system (1988). He figured that the OPs would have difficulty forming themselves into viable teams.

Though he was mostly right on both counts, the populace had the gumption of doubling the number of OP seats in 1988 (from 2 to 4). Not only that, people like LTK turned out to be quite good at running TCs and through the TC system able to connect to residents that the new PAPzi scholar leaders could only dream of. Also, parties like WP began to attract people who had the common touch.

And the OPs were able to put up often rag-tag-fugitive teams to run in the GRCs.

So, the fixing had had an effect but it also backfired in ways they hadn't expected. It threw up a breed of OP MPs that was politically stubborn and which could connect with the people.

So, now, the PAPzis are truly panicking but also clueless about how they should continue. What do they do? Go back to old tricks. They may after all be right, but my guess is they will not make it; they will be the greatest party that took a small country from 3rd world to first and then lost everything because of their fear got the better of them and they began to undo the good that they had done.

I believe it was Wooden Goh who introduced the GRC system?
 

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When LKY realized the PAPzis were going downhill, he took the first steps to fix the opposition. First, he preyed on Singaporeans' cowardice, by introducing town councils and having MPs run them (1986). He was certain that the populace would be scared of having non PAPzi MPs run their estates.

Then, he targeted the OPs by introducing the GRC system (1988). He figured that the OPs would have difficulty forming themselves into viable teams.

Though he was mostly right on both counts, the populace had the gumption of doubling the number of OP seats in 1988 (from 2 to 4). Not only that, people like LTK turned out to be quite good at running TCs and through the TC system able to connect to residents that the new PAPzi scholar leaders could only dream of. Also, parties like WP began to attract people who had the common touch.

And the OPs were able to put up often rag-tag-fugitive teams to run in the GRCs.

So, the fixing had had an effect but it also backfired in ways they hadn't expected. It threw up a breed of OP MPs that was politically stubborn and which could connect with the people.

So, now, the PAPzis are truly panicking but also clueless about how they should continue. What do they do? Go back to old tricks. They may after all be right, but my guess is they will not make it; they will be the greatest party that took a small country from 3rd world to first and then lost everything because of their fear got the better of them and they began to undo the good that they had done.

So this requirement of MP to manage town council was introduced in 1986 and GRC in 1988. All new additional requirements by PAP and not British inherited system. Why we need MP to run town councils? MP should exist to speak up for citizens on national issues, not get bogged down by nitty gritty estate management issues.

Anyway the recent columbarium incident also never see the MP on the side of residents speaking up for them, so he really just handle town council matters only and did not speak up for residents when it comes to the crunch.

The problem is if they don't speak up for residents nor citizens on national issues, then what is MP for?
 
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“Something is rotten in the state of Denmark” says Marcellus in Shakespeare’s Hamlet. In coffee shops around Singapore and online forums the sentiment is similar even if the phraseology used is somewhat more colloquial.

The proceedings in Parliament last week during the motion to discuss the Auditor-General’s findings of lapses in the Workers’ Party-run Aljunied-Hougang-Punggol East Town Council, if anything, confirmed suspicions that the People’s Action Party is concerned mainly with two things—high salaries for themselves and partisanship so that they can hold onto their highly-paid positions. The interests of Singaporeans ranks third at best although some would consider this a kind assessment.

Law Minister, K. Shanmugam, presented a chart in parliament to show that AHPETC pays significantly more to its Managing Agent, FM Services & Solutions, than MAs in PAP-run town councils are paid. The WP is accused of paying double the rate for commercial units within AHPETC and of overpaying FMSS by approximately $1.6m per year compared to PAP town councils. As FMSS has close affiliations to WP, one of the suggestions is that cronyism is at play.

The irony is lost on the PAP that cronyism is exactly what it has been accused of for years and, by creating a climate where everything it touches is politicised, it is PAP's own warped standards of corporate governance that is on trial here.


It now seems that the MA rate comparisons which were presented in Parliament were for 2014 and that if similar comparisons had been made for previous years, it would have told a different story. A conspiracy theory, now going viral, postulates that MA rates in PAP town councils had been significantly reduced in 2014 possibly to demonstrate that the PAP is able to get better deals for its constituents and that the reason WP is paying more for management services must be that it is lining the pockets of its cronies.

If the theory is true, it is convenient indeed that the PAP town councils were able to secure far better rates from their existing MAs a year before general elections are expected when they had paid more the previous three years.

Again, if true, then—to borrow the words of PAP MP Hri Kumar— “this entire episode raises questions about the competence, accountability and integrity” of the PAP and related entities.

These questions of the PAP are not new. In 2010, PAP sold off its town council management software, which had cost taxpayers over $23m, to a $2 company named Action Information Management run by two former PAP MPs. The software was sold for $140,000. This disclosure in 2013 forced PAP to admit that it owned private companies though it provided no details relating to the number and nature of these businesses. It is claimed that this curious business deal was done to deprive the WP, which won the Aljunied Group Representation Constituency in the historic 2011 General Elections, of vital infrastructure it needed to run its town council effectively.

To allay suggestions of impropriety, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong ordered the Ministry of National Development to review the transaction dubbed "AIM-gate" by netizens. Predictably, MND reported that the sale of software to AIM complied with regulations and there was no conflict of interest. But few were persuaded by these findings. If anything, the MND report exposed Singapore's brand of corporate governance as falling woefully short of international standards.

To the public—which PAP seems to take for fools—the party’s actions since 2011, in particular, reflect a consistent and obvious pattern. It seems obsessed with scoring political points by derailing WP’s running of AHPETC in the vain hope of correcting the ignominy of losing a GRC. The WP’s claim that large, established companies providing services to the PAP are reluctant to take on additional business if it means working with the opposition is entirely believable. If the PAP is responsible for this, then its methods are underhanded and it is sad that the party is willing to use Singaporeans as collateral damage, even those who voted for the party in Aljunied GRC.


This pattern of behaviour goes further back. In 2006, PM Lee had spoken about the possible need to “fix” the opposition. In fact, prior to that, Lee’s father and mentor, Lee Kuan Yew—who had also used words such as “fix” and “knuckle-dusters” in relation to his political opponents—had famously spoken about the need to rig the system so that, in the event of a freak election, the party taking over would not survive its first term.

On the matter of the PAP town councils' MA rates, the party would do well to explain if it was paying higher rates prior to 2014. If so, how were the town councils suddenly able to negotiate significantly lower rates using the same vendors? Had PAP town councils been over-paying prior to 2014? Are the lower rates due to a reduction of services from the MAs?

Since the town councils use different MAs—each with its own unique corporate structure and overheads—it would be most suspicious indeed if the PAP town councils were able to negotiate lower rates with all of them.

As MA rates, in part, determine the Services and Conservancy Charges to be charged to residents and businesses, will there be a consequent reduction in S&CC rates?

For a party accustomed to tooting its horns, it is rather unlike the PAP to not have publicly announced the awesome deals it got from their MAs last year and reductions in S&CC rates as a pre-election sweetener. So perhaps all this is nothing more than theories by conspiracists bored with the lack of intrigue in local politics.

If, on the other hand, there is some truth to the allegations, the PAP would do well to provide compelling explanations. Because MA-gate in an election year could prove to be bigger than AIM-gate.



Masked Crusader

*The writer blogs at http://maskedcrusader.blogspot.sg/

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