GMS: See, I got integrity, WP dun have!

Goh Meng Seng

Consistency is important for credibility. I do not do things for the sake of doing it, but I will do things for the right belief and reasons, even if it means drawing flaks from opposition supporters.

I have warned repeatedly that FMSS will be the reason for WP's accelerated downfall because I saw the consistent piling of conflicts of interests and malpractices in its management.

But having said that, I still hope that WP could survive this unfortunate but predictable onslaught. It will suffer a big dent in its public image but its hardcore supporters will not be affected. However the middle ground voters who are the king makers may just lose confidence in WP and opposition parties as a whole.

Surely GMS knows the difference between consistency in sticking to a view and consistency in applying standards across the board.

He's been consistent about Tan Kin Lian being a heavyweight despite all that happened, consistent about WP being all bad, consistent about everything that happens between PAP and WP is WP's fault, consistent that any growth in WP and NSP is solely his credit, anything the opposite is someone else's fault. But these are not consistency in principle, they are consistent regurgitating.

Consistency means not Tan Kin Lian loses his deposit he's a hero but WP candidate loses deposit he's a laughing stock, or if his Ricebowl Party is under attack they are PAP IB or WP IB but WP under attack comes from real, non-PAP ground sentiment, or if 2 people bring up the same point, the one from WP is wrong but the other one is right.

If that is something he can't avoid, don't even mention credibility or integrity. He has zero of that.

GoMadSeng said:

But having said that, I still hope that WP could survive this unfortunate but predictable onslaught. It will suffer a big dent in its public image but its hardcore supporters will not be affected. However the middle ground voters who are the king makers may just lose confidence in WP and opposition parties as a whole.

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On the contrary, PAP may be the real loser. Middle ground voters arent fools. Some should be able to understand the big picture and know that what is happening is just politics. If there is anything remotely criminal in nature, charges will be made against the individuals involved.

So many banks debts also kena writeoffs during 2008 financial crisis.

Some more used taxpayers dollars to bail them out.

There is no criminal activities as long as it is for the benefit of its constituents.

Why Pay is definitely WPs motto!!

GoldenDragon said:

On the contrary, PAP may be the real loser. Middle ground voters arent fools. Some should be able to understand the big picture and know that what is happening is just politics. If there is anything remotely criminal in nature, charges will be made against the individuals involved.

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A portion of the middle ground are better informed while a big portion of the heartlander aren't and solely depend on newspaper to get information. And this group are the killer for opposition. Which is why any controversy is never going to be in opposition's advantage. The reason why WP is lying low to avoid controversy while PAP is eager to stir up one.

Another reason why consistent groundwork rather than Internet campaigning is more important to reachout to the heartlander voting bloc.

GoldenDragon said:

On the contrary, PAP may be the real loser. Middle ground voters arent fools. Some should be able to understand the big picture and know that what is happening is just politics. If there is anything remotely criminal in nature, charges will be made against the individuals involved.

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That is because WP is the best party to be first to win a GRC. They can handle the episode in a calm, rationale manner that doesn't make themselves look too bad. GMS Ricebowl Party or other opposition party when after winning a GRC may just go to parliament to shout about it without getting the problem solved, and get voted out by the middle ground voters in the end.

Any opposition party that wins a GRC and have the AIM software pulled out will fail the audit. Nothing to do with FMSS. On the contrary, FMSS knows its work very well, which was why it was able to give such a comprehensive rebuttal to AGO, just that the PAP has heaped so much barriers on new opposition town councils, such as pulling out software, tight timelines and ambigious rules. Even HDB made a mistake by giving money to other TCs instead of AHPETC. Sylvia Lim told people to read the AGO documents clearly because the details are very telling.

Therefore contrary to what GMS said about WP causing the demise of the opposition, WP is paving the way for any future opposition to get out of this rut permanently. If any opposition doesn't want to stand with WP during this critical period of time, keeping quiet would be the best option. SDP, NSP, SPP etc. knows that. Only GMS doesn't. Talk about the absence of foresight.

GMS runs a computer shop. I am sure he has customers coming back a second time telling him that after repairs their PC still doesn't work, and he has to do it a second, third time before solving the problem. If I were to run an audit on his computer shop, he would fail too. If he denies this, don't even talk about integrity.

Goh Meng Seng via theonlinecitizen

There is a distinctive difference between being an employee of MA and being shareholders of the MA.
AGO took issue with shareholders of MA, not just mere employees. Director or Managing Director may or may not hold any shares of the company.

Besides, the problem here is about approving contracts and payment to FMSI. This is tricky and normally a third party should be seek to do it. The husband and wife relationship makes things even more complicated. I have criticized PM for allowing his wife to be CEO of Temasek Holdings because it created bad example for others.

Conflict of interest is potential hotbed for corruption and should be avoided as far as possible. To avoid corruption breeding, proper declaration of interests and independent third party checks should be installed.

Meng Seng will most probably make a good Ambassador as a profession. Rugby, that is !:o

GoMadSeng said:

Goh Meng Seng via theonlinecitizen

There is a distinctive difference between being an employee of MA and being shareholders of the MA.
AGO took issue with shareholders of MA, not just mere employees. Director or Managing Director may or may not hold any shares of the company.

Besides, the problem here is about approving contracts and payment to FMSI. This is tricky and normally a third party should be seek to do it. The husband and wife relationship makes things even more complicated. I have criticized PM for allowing his wife to be CEO of Temasek Holdings because it created bad example for others.

Conflict of interest is potential hotbed for corruption and should be avoided as far as possible. To avoid corruption breeding, proper declaration of interests and independent third party checks should be installed.

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If he is saying families should avoid being on the same boat, it is one of the more valid points. But is it as easy as said? Family politics are aplenty in this world. Japan has many 3rd generation MPs. India has the Gandhi family. Until recently, people trusted "Gandhi" as a reliable brand name knowing that it is a family of talent and good upbringing, rather than someone they don't know.

Does GMS also know that such practices do not necessarily involve family but can involve friends as well? Indonesia's Suharto was a very good example. The NSP he used to be part of was known for such practices where factions are formed based on a clique of business partners in the same company. People would support leaders or come or leave with those who are their business partners. (I was told GMS himself was no exception, he brought fellow partners in and out of NSP including some ex-WP members in business with him.) No conflict of interest for real.

Yes.. GMS is consistently sprouting shit..consistently proving tat he is a pappie dog..n GMS consistently proves he has Got More Shit..

tanwahp said:

Surely GMS knows the difference between consistency in sticking to a view and consistency in applying standards across the board.

He's been consistent about Tan Kin Lian being a heavyweight despite all that happened, consistent about WP being all bad, consistent about everything that happens between PAP and WP is WP's fault, consistent that any growth in WP and NSP is solely his credit, anything the opposite is someone else's fault. But these are not consistency in principle, they are consistent regurgitating.

Consistency means not Tan Kin Lian loses his deposit he's a hero but WP candidate loses deposit he's a laughing stock, or if his Ricebowl Party is under attack they are PAP IB or WP IB but WP under attack comes from real, non-PAP ground sentiment, or if 2 people bring up the same point, the one from WP is wrong but the other one is right.

If that is something he can't avoid, don't even mention credibility or integrity. He has zero of that.

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