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Singapore isn't Greece, Temasek tells S&P in 29 pages

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Source: The Straits Times / Business

Singapore isn't Greece, Temasek tells S&P in 29 pages
PUBLISHED ON FEB 6, 2015 12:50 PM

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Temasek, which managed $223 billion of assets as of last March, said the rating firm's proposed new rules for
grading investment holding companies lump Singapore with riskier nations such as Greece and Jamaica.
-- PHOTO: BLOOMBERG


SINGAPORE (Bloomberg) - Singapore's Temasek Holdings has told Standard & Poor's in 29 pages why it shouldn't mess with the state-owned investor's AAA rating.

Temasek, which managed $223 billion of assets as of last March, said the rating firm's proposed new rules for grading investment holding companies lump Singapore with riskier nations such as Greece and Jamaica, according to a Feb. 2 response to the changes. S&P's new criteria take into account the firms' lack of direct ownership of assets, the challenges they face when selling in illiquid markets and volatility of assets they hold.

Part of S&P's proposal groups Singapore, which has had a AAA rating for 20 years, alongside Greece, a nation that may run out of cash this month. While Temasek would probably still enjoy the government's top-grade overall rating, a weaker risk profile would be unwelcome at the company which has been considering offering bonds to individuals in Singapore.

"A triple-A credit rating is a rare thing in today's markets, and there is a prestige element to it," Veljko Fotak, an assistant professor of finance and managerial economics at the University at Buffalo, New York, said in a Feb. 5 e-mail. "Any chink in that armor, even if only in the stand-alone, rather than overall, rating, could have image consequences."

Temasek dollar bonds due 2019 yielded 39 basis points more than U.S. Treasuries on Thursday and its credit-default swaps were at 38.7, compared with 35.5 for Australia.

S&P in November published proposed new criteria for assessing credit risk at investment holding companies, or IHCs, defined as firms holding equity stakes across at least three sectors. The ratings company asked for feedback from affected parties by Jan. 30.

The new framework grades IHCs' asset liquidity by splitting their main countries of operation into four baskets, based on a 30-year history of those nations' share market swings, according to Temasek. Singapore falls into the third basket with markets including Hong Kong, Saudi Arabia and Cyprus. The measure should instead "be assessed based on the number of days needed to divest assets" on those exchanges, said Temasek.

"With its statement, Temasek is indirectly defending the standing of Singapore as a financial center," Sven Behrendt, a managing director at Geneva-based GeoEconomica, which researches sovereign wealth funds, said in a Feb. 4 phone interview. "It's understandable to me that Temasek doesn't want the country to be put in the same category as Greece, Jamaica and Trinidad and Tobago."

Temasek had 31 per cent of its assets in Singapore as of March 31, according to its last annual report published in July. Investments in the rest of Asia stood at 41 per cent and those in North America, Europe, Australia and New Zealand at 24 per cent. About 70 per cent of its assets were listed.

The firm's biggest holdings include a 52 per cent stake in Singapore Telecommunications Ltd., valued at US$25 billion, data compiled by Bloomberg show. It owns a 6 per cent stake in China Construction Bank Corp., valued at US$11.6 billion, and 29 per cent of DBS Group Holdings, valued at US$10.4 billion.

"S&P regularly requests comments from market participants on proposed changes to its methodologies and assumptions," Bertrand Jabouley, the Singapore-based S&P analyst who follows Temasek, said in a Feb. 5 e-mail. "The objective of this proposed criteria is to help the market better understand key risk drivers for investment holding companies, enhance global comparability of our ratings and improve transparency."

Stephen Forshaw, a spokesman for Temasek, declined to comment beyond the company's statement when contacted by e-mail.

Under the criteria, S&P also assumes that firms such as Temasek operate in a "moderately high risk" industry. That puts IHCs in a basket riskier than pharmaceutical and oil and gas companies, said Temasek. S&P has downgraded 18 energy firms this year in North America as lower oil prices curb their cash flows and ability to pay debt, data compiled by Bloomberg show.

The proposed industry classification could see a capping of IHCs' so-called anchor ratings, which help determine stand-alone scores, at levels that don't reflect the individual firms' ability to pay debt, according to Temasek.

"In our view, classifying IHCs as a uniform, homogeneous industry is not meaningful," Temasek said in the statement. "A company should be assessed objectively, based on its individual credit quality, without being constrained by any cap."

S&P assigns an "extremely high likelihood of extraordinary government support" to Temasek, which means the investment firm's corporate score would reflect Singapore's AAA rating even if its stand-alone grade dropped.

Singapore grew an annualized 1.6 per cent in the three months to Dec. 31 from the previous quarter, less than analysts estimated, after its manufacturing industry weakened with slowing growth in China. The country unexpectedly eased monetary policy last month, allowing the Singapore dollar to drop 1.5 percent versus the greenback this year.

Temasek said in January 2014 it was looking at ways to offer bonds to individual investors in Singapore. Issuing fixed-income products will provide an "alternative investment opportunity" for investors seeking stable returns with lower risks, the company said in a statement that month.

S&P's proposed new criteria for IHCs "is part of a bigger focus on how to evaluate liquidity risk as it has been deteriorating across the world," Jean-Charles Sambor, Singapore-based Asia Pacific director of the Institute of International Finance, said by phone Feb. 4.

"It's healthy that rating companies and firms such as Temasek are having a public discussion about these issues."


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AhMeng

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After years pf giving a blank cheque to PAP ... it sure looks bad. No?
 

winnipegjets

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It is hard, nearly impossible, to establish a true picture of sinkapore's financial health. Everything is top secret. Nothing can be verified. If you take what the PAP says, then sinkapore is like Switzerland. But we sinkees living in the heartland (or hard land) know that is not true from our experience.

The cupboards are bare is the reality ...Temasek has lost at least 50 billions since the financial meltdown just based on cursory examination. Because sinkapore is so insignificant in the grand scheme, nobody really cares to do serious investigation of sinkapore.
 

ginfreely

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It is hard, nearly impossible, to establish a true picture of sinkapore's financial health. Everything is top secret. Nothing can be verified. If you take what the PAP says, then sinkapore is like Switzerland. But we sinkees living in the heartland (or hard land) know that is not true from our experience.

The cupboards are bare is the reality ...Temasek has lost at least 50 billions since the financial meltdown just based on cursory examination. Because sinkapore is so insignificant in the grand scheme, nobody really cares to do serious investigation of sinkapore.

It is very worrying indeed if we are ranked the same as Greece. Temasek should improve transparency to improve ranking.
 

laksaboy

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Who cares if Sinkieland is ranked the same as Zimbabwe? Couldn't care less. No patriotic indignation from me.

All that effort to churn out 29 pages of bullshit, might as well use that effort to clean up Temasek's act. :rolleyes:
 

batman1

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The day the books of Temasek and GIC are open is the day the pandora's box is open.All hell will break loose.
Many sinkees will go mad in front of CPF Building.
 

bloodycock

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The day the books of Temasek and GIC are open is the day the pandora's box is open.All hell will break loose.
Many sinkees will go mad in front of CPF Building.

Some may even have to go to the top floor and take the fast way down.
 

virus

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rating firm confirm the unconfirm.... whorejinx boh standard and attitude very the poo.

yes poo cannot even afford the r.
 

Satyr

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Temasek does not have to worry about cash flow. Every month they have access to billions to cover any losses. Don't think any organization are in their enviable situation. brilliant setup.
 

shittypore

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Temasek does not have to worry about cash flow. Every month they have access to billions to cover any losses. Don't think any organization are in their enviable situation. brilliant setup.

Not forgetting they good in shifting goal post.
 

Satyr

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Not forgetting they good in shifting goal post.

You can shift goal posts but impossible to shift the field. There are two big elephants on the field nobody has mentioned so far. Temasek directly or indirectly borrows from the citizens via bonds. If these are less than AAA it is pretty worrying. They will not default of course but they can print money or tax us even more. Next, where is the CEO ? No visibility. This is not the time to be shy shy. In other huge companies, hiding behind a spokesman would give people even more cause for concern. The CEO needs to be out there showing leadership.
 

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Maybe S&P know something we don't. Maybe we are like Greece. No cash liao. And we have way lesser than 233Bn because the value may have dropped, but they did not change their book value....
 

greedy and cunning

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You can shift goal posts but impossible to shift the field. There are two big elephants on the field nobody has mentioned so far. Temasek directly or indirectly borrows from the citizens via bonds. If these are less than AAA it is pretty worrying. They will not default of course but they can print money or tax us even more. Next, where is the CEO ? No visibility. This is not the time to be shy shy. In other huge companies, hiding behind a spokesman would give people even more cause for concern. The CEO needs to be out there showing leadership.

tis morning watched news on teevee and saw ceo and his wife having all expense paid holiday in spain leh.
 

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no worries... he will soon bring all of us to the spain ....................



standard of living soon.


The rain in spain stays mainly in the plain
Without transparency soon we will find ourselves in pain
Sinkies will say how kind of you to let me cum
After being screwed by Lightning hurricane once again


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ginfreely

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Who cares if Sinkieland is ranked the same as Zimbabwe? Couldn't care less. No patriotic indignation from me.

All that effort to churn out 29 pages of bullshit, might as well use that effort to clean up Temasek's act. :rolleyes:

Exactly temasek should spend time to improve their transparency to improve ranking instead of doing 29 page complaint letter. Didn't the govt keep asking Singaporeans to be better, faster etc? Go apply it to themselves lah and stop complaining.
 

eatshitndie

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it's true. sg is not greece and doesn't allow dogs to get fat and laze around the acropolis waiting to be fed, washed, and pampered twice a week.

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greedy and cunning

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Exactly temasek should spend time to improve their transparency to improve ranking instead of doing 29 page complaint letter. Didn't the govt keep asking Singaporeans to be better, faster etc? Go apply it to themselves lah and stop complaining.

when u praise the immoral and shameless they smile and quote your praising as character reference.
when u disparage them they are so vexed that they go into defensive mood immediately.

how to bi transparent when everything that involved big money is well hidden.
anyone know amount collected by N-Till-U-Ci ?
they are so poor that they have to collect 13 months of fee in a year.
the only org in the world doing it.
 
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