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Wah, SAF so lelac now. Tankees no need to wash tanks anymore, contractors will do it.

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SINGAPORE - The days of reservist soldiers spending countless hours installing and dismantling communications equipment for training exercises look set to be over. They are also not likely to be saddled with washing armoured vehicles.

According to tender documents obtained by The Straits Times, the Ministry of Defence (Mindef) is looking for civilian companies to take over these time-consuming tasks, to further enhance national service (NS) training efficiency.

These tasks are currently carried out by armoured troops or tank crew before and after an outfield training exercise.

The outsourcing to civilian contractors will free up operationally ready national servicemen (NSmen) to focus on honing their combat skills.

According to the documents, the civilian contractors will be expected to handle an average of 510 tracked vehicles a year, and will be responsible for mounting and dismantling equipment from the vehicles and washing them.

For a start, staff from private commercial companies will take over these tasks for selected major exercises for NSmen.

"These efforts allow for a faster turnover of vehicles required to support NS training," said Colonel Lam Sheau Kai, commander of the Combat Service Support Command.

It typically takes nine men up to four hours to dismantle communications equipment from the Bionix armoured infantry fighting vehicle and hose it down.

The Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) is also increasingly handing over the management and warehousing of combat equipment or stores in training institutes to civilian contractors.

The latest contract up for bidding requires civilian contractors to take over the management and warehousing of combat equipment or stores in the Motorised Infantry Training Institute.

Col Lam said store management has already been outsourced in units such as the Army Logistics Base, Safti Military Institute and 2nd People's Defence Force.

Outsourcing non-core jobs is something the SAF began doing in the 1970s, to allow its servicemen to focus on combat training.

Tasks such as fitness instruction, cookhouse operations and aircraft maintenance are now carried out by civilian contractors.

Government agencies, such as the police, civil defence force and the Immigration and Checkpoints Authority, also do some outsourcing. However, the issuance and management of ammunition is done solely by the military.

The SAF said civilian contractors are put through stringent security checks before they are appointed, to ensure operational security is not compromised.

While outsourcing helps soldiers to perfect their combat skills, Ms Ellen Lee, a member of the Government Parliamentary Committee for Defence and Foreign Affairs, said doing some of these manual chores can help toughen up soldiers.

"It is through such manual work that you can build that sense of discipline and pride. You also get to know your vehicle better. Such knowledge will come in very useful in battle, too," she said.

OPERATIONS OUTSOURCED

» Cookhouse operations
» Aircraft maintenance
» Fitness instruction:
» Civilian fitness instructors at SAF training institutes and fitness conditioning centres
» Firing-range operations
» Logistics management and warehousing

WHAT COULD BE OUTSOURCED SOON

» Mounting and dismantling of equipment from armoured vehicles during NSmen's in-camp training
» Washing of armoured tracked vehicles
 

rambo22

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Re: Wah, SAF so lelac now. Tankees no need to wash tanks anymore, contractors will do

SAF will pollow SPF 1

all outsource
 

Leongsam

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Re: Wah, SAF so lelac now. Tankees no need to wash tanks anymore, contractors will do

Why don't they outsource the defense of the whole damned country and be done with it! :eek::rolleyes:

Singaporeans can then get on with building their careers and starting their families.

Fucking pappies!
 

chootchiew

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Re: Wah, SAF so lelac now. Tankees no need to wash tanks anymore, contractors will do

Why don't they outsource the defense of the whole damned country and be done with it! :eek::rolleyes:

Singaporeans can then get on with building their careers and starting their families.

Fucking pappies!

The final straw comes when the whole country including PAP is outsourced !
 

krafty

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Re: Wah, SAF so lelac now. Tankees no need to wash tanks anymore, contractors will do

pap is the best...:o:biggrin:

Why don't they outsource the defense of the whole damned country and be done with it! :eek::rolleyes:

Singaporeans can then get on with building their careers and starting their families.

Fucking pappies!
 

Leongsam

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Re: Wah, SAF so lelac now. Tankees no need to wash tanks anymore, contractors will do

pap is the best...:o:biggrin:

Not when it comes to the way NS is being run nowadays.

Cleaning, drill, stand by bed etc is part and parcel of character building and should be retained.
 

sleaguepunter

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Re: Wah, SAF so lelac now. Tankees no need to wash tanks anymore, contractors will do

<<"These efforts allow for a faster turnover of vehicles required to support NS training," said Colonel Lam Sheau Kai, commander of the Combat Service Support Command.

It typically takes nine men up to four hours to dismantle communications equipment from the Bionix armoured infantry fighting vehicle and hose it down.

The Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) is also increasingly handing over the management and warehousing of combat equipment or stores in training institutes to civilian contractors.>>

the fucking colonel must never ever wash armour vehicles in his pathetic saf career. the dismantle of equipments and washing of vehicle take no more than 1.5hrs. all you need is the Vehicle commander to remove the signal set, that take no more than 5min and then wrap the intercoms junction boxes & the signal set base with plastic bags and can start hosing down. because the limited washing hoses at the washing bay, so only the driver and vehicle commander will wash the vehicle. so from start to complete washing, no more than 1.5hr. it the waiting time to wash the vehicle that cause the problems, only 08 hoses for whole battalion of A (armoured) and B (tonners & rovers).

as for the OVM store, nsmen will appreciate that every items in the list is available and in working condition. as for mounting and dismounting of equipments, the crew should do themselves as each battalion has it own SOP.

instead of washing the damned vehicle, ST should just serviced and repaired wear and tear themselves. I see no reason why NSmen were to subject to vehicle inspection by the ATC who normally make NSmen change track or road wheels that had wore out. it take thousands of km for those stuff to wear out but each ICT, average mileage for outfield exercise is less than 250km. surely those chialiaobee who suppose to take care of the vehicles can do it during the lull before the next ICT unit in-pro.
 

Sideswipe

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Re: Wah, SAF so lelac now. Tankees no need to wash tanks anymore, contractors will do

every damn thing in the SAF should be performed by the soldiers, and that includes the general area cleaning that is outsourced to the private companies and done by the bangla workers.
 

zeddy

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Re: Wah, SAF so lelac now. Tankees no need to wash tanks anymore, contractors will do

According to tender documents obtained by The Straits Times, the Ministry of Defence (Mindef) is looking for civilian companies to take over these time-consuming tasks, to further enhance national service (NS) training efficiency.

These tasks are currently carried out by armoured troops or tank crew before and after an outfield training exercise.

The outsourcing to civilian contractors will free up operationally ready national servicemen (NSmen) to focus on honing their combat skills.

According to the documents, the civilian contractors will be expected to handle an average of 510 tracked vehicles a year, and will be responsible for mounting and dismantling equipment from the vehicles and washing them.

LOL.. They will outsource it to civilian contractors.. In return, these contractors will hire Banglas and Ah Nehs to do the washing.. On Sunday evenings, drunk Ah Nehs high on whiskey and toddy will Kee Siao and drive the tanks to Little India..:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 
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shittypore

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Re: Wah, SAF so lelac now. Tankees no need to wash tanks anymore, contractors will do

every damn thing in the SAF should be performed by the soldiers, and that includes the general area cleaning that is outsourced to the private companies and done by the bangla workers.

All the reasons to bring along their Pinoy Maids when they go for Battle.
 

Fugitive

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Re: Wah, SAF so lelac now. Tankees no need to wash tanks anymore, contractors will do

I used to be a GD man I cleaned everything
 

potter

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Re: Wah, SAF so lelac now. Tankees no need to wash tanks anymore, contractors will do

No more standby tank! Next is, rifle.
 

Papsmearer

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Re: Wah, SAF so lelac now. Tankees no need to wash tanks anymore, contractors will do

<<"These efforts allow for a faster turnover of vehicles required to support NS training," said Colonel Lam Sheau Kai, commander of the Combat Service Support Command.

It typically takes nine men up to four hours to dismantle communications equipment from the Bionix armoured infantry fighting vehicle and hose it down.

The Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) is also increasingly handing over the management and warehousing of combat equipment or stores in training institutes to civilian contractors.>>

the fucking colonel must never ever wash armour vehicles in his pathetic saf career. the dismantle of equipments and washing of vehicle take no more than 1.5hrs. all you need is the Vehicle commander to remove the signal set, that take no more than 5min and then wrap the intercoms junction boxes & the signal set base with plastic bags and can start hosing down. because the limited washing hoses at the washing bay, so only the driver and vehicle commander will wash the vehicle. so from start to complete washing, no more than 1.5hr. it the waiting time to wash the vehicle that cause the problems, only 08 hoses for whole battalion of A (armoured) and B (tonners & rovers).

as for the OVM store, nsmen will appreciate that every items in the list is available and in working condition. as for mounting and dismounting of equipments, the crew should do themselves as each battalion has it own SOP.

instead of washing the damned vehicle, ST should just serviced and repaired wear and tear themselves. I see no reason why NSmen were to subject to vehicle inspection by the ATC who normally make NSmen change track or road wheels that had wore out. it take thousands of km for those stuff to wear out but each ICT, average mileage for outfield exercise is less than 250km. surely those chialiaobee who suppose to take care of the vehicles can do it during the lull before the next ICT unit in-pro.

I have never "hose" down a Bionix before, but from your description, it does not sound like the exterior and running gear is washed. For AMX-13, to wash the tracks, road wheels, and exterior of the tank, easily takes 3 hours. That includes cleaning the service bay of all the m&d left over. Servicing of the engines cannot start until the tank has been washed. For tanks, the interior is always hand cleaned and not hosed down. To dismantle the comms equipment does not take more than 30 mins. I don't know where this 9 man take 4 hours bullshit comes from. 3 men crew on AMX-13 will be done by than. 4 men crew for a Leo 2 might take one hour longer.

My main concern is the following:

1) All armour facilities whether combat unit or SOA are high security areas. By letting contractors wash the tanks they have to allow civilian companies into these bases. Obviously the tank washing will be subcontracted out to the cheapest labour as its a menial work. That means banglas and Tiongs will be washing the tanks. I don't like that one bit at all. The possibility of 5th column sabotage and intelligence gathering on the weapons systems in the tanks is there. Especially when they have to go into the turrets to dismantle the comms equipment. They can also take a look at the ballistic computers, display screens, and all the other electronics gear. Depending on the turret and hull set up, when they are in the tank, they can also determine the SAF standard belly load, and what are the ready rounds, etc. This is just stupid. If they want to save money, they should just reduce the number of jiak liao bee scholar Generals and colonels. I have never seen so many generals in the army of such a small country, worse then a banana republic.

2) A tank crew assigned to a tank would never let another crew or personnel touch their tanks. By washing their own tanks, they will notice any damaged parts like road lights, missing rubber pads on the tank tracks, damaged road wheels, etc. How would they do that if someone is washing their tanks. I do not know one tank crew who would let someone else go into their tanks and start taking out the radios and comms gear for them. Its just like you would not let a total stranger go into your car and remove your radio. A tank crew spends hours and days in their own tank, its very personal to them. Many of them remember the license plate of their tanks long after they ROD.

3) I can see no one consulted the Chief Armour Officer on this. I hope that he fell out of his chair when he saw the news. I would be very disappointed if he approved this, and even more if he condoned this. This is a joke.

4) The issue of faster turn over is a lie. There are more than enough armour vehicles to go around. The problem is not enough crew and personnel to man them.
 

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Re: Wah, SAF so lelac now. Tankees no need to wash tanks anymore, contractors will do

"It is through such manual work that you can build that sense of discipline and pride. You also get to know your vehicle better. Such knowledge will come in very useful in battle, too," she said.

Like how would this fat bitch ellen Lee know? She served NS before?
 

sleaguepunter

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I didn't included clearing of m&d and cleaning washing bay. that normally company effort, kenna arrow by RSM. this I don't mind outsource.

trooper compartment will be full of dirt (dry season) and m&d everytime tour area d. so trooper compartment is hose down. but the driver and turret are out of bound. to prevent water from damaging, the VC and gunner fire system are also wrap with plastic with the comms base and junction boxes.

where got 3hrs to wash? hose limted so each company given 1 day each to wash at most, sometime only half a day. no need spit and polish standard. as long no m&d, track and road wheel reasonably clean can liao. only after washing will the gun tech come to inspect the bushmaster as they dun wan m&d on their uniform. reservist vehicle machiam public toilet, used by every battalions in brigade rolls. so nobody will be treat the vehicle like during active time.
 

8868

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...............................
My main concern is the following:

2) A tank crew assigned to a tank would never let another crew or personnel touch their tanks. By washing their own tanks, they will notice any damaged parts like road lights, missing rubber pads on the tank tracks, damaged road wheels, etc. How would they do that if someone is washing their tanks. I do not know one tank crew who would let someone else go into their tanks and start taking out the radios and comms gear for them. Its just like you would not let a total stranger go into your car and remove your radio. A tank crew spends hours and days in their own tank, its very personal to them. Many of them remember the license plate of their tanks long after they ROD.....................

I agree with you brother. Furthermore, I wonder in real war time is there any contractors available to clean and wash the vehicle :smile: then the soldiers will not know how to maintain the vehicle, how to flight the war? :biggrin:
 

Papsmearer

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Re: Wah, SAF so lelac now. Tankees no need to wash tanks anymore, contractors will do

I agree with you brother. Furthermore, I wonder in real war time is there any contractors available to clean and wash the vehicle :smile: then the soldiers will not know how to maintain the vehicle, how to flight the war? :biggrin:

The replacement of comms gear is a drill. In wartime, if you have damaged or non functioning comms gear, you have to rapidly swap it out. But since civilian subcontractors have been doing it, how then can a crew expect to do this in a rapid time and under pressure? Out in the field u still have to check the running gear and clean it. At this rate, they should just subcontract out the fighting to mercenaries to do the fighting.
 

singveld

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what a great idea. to let in more contractors into base. so that indonesia and malaysia can bribe them to sabotage our military equipments.
 

freedalas

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The objective behind the outsourcing move is to create more businesses for the GLCs, mainly the ST group of companies. Nowadays the policies put by the PAP is to grow the revenue of its companies. The Jewel project at Changi Airport is to build a megamall for Capital Land to manage using taxpayers monies. The Sports Hub shopping mall known as the Kallang Wave was also built using taxpayers' monies for SMRT and NTUC to run. Few years back, Singapore hosting of the Youth Olympics was for the very same purpose, to create businesses for its group of companies in providing logistics, food, transport etc. In other words, taxpayers'monies to the tune of more than $400m was distributed among the GLCs and to fatten its revenue. That's basically how Singapore is being run. That's the Old Fart's philosophy.
 

McDonaldsKid

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Re: Wah, SAF so lelac now. Tankees no need to wash tanks anymore, contractors will do

The objective behind the outsourcing move is to create more businesses for the GLCs, mainly the ST group of companies. Nowadays the policies put by the PAP is to grow the revenue of its companies. The Jewel project at Changi Airport is to build a megamall for Capital Land to manage using taxpayers monies. The Sports Hub shopping mall known as the Kallang Wave was also built using taxpayers' monies for SMRT and NTUC to run. Few years back, Singapore hosting of the Youth Olympics was for the very same purpose, to create businesses for its group of companies in providing logistics, food, transport etc. In other words, taxpayers'monies to the tune of more than $400m was distributed among the GLCs and to fatten its revenue. That's basically how Singapore is being run. That's the Old Fart's philosophy.
Totally agree. The fat cat officers who retire will be heading these companies that will be putting in these bids.
 
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