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Can PAP Guarantee & Swear to God That PAP Paper BG Never Give Unlawful Orders in NS

gingerlyn

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Dear brothers and sisters

Any comment from army and ns boys that PAP BG such as Lee Hsien Loong and Chan Chun Sing never give any unlawful orders in ARMY CAMPS?

District Judge Low Wee Ping said: "Perhaps one positive outcome of this case is that national servicemen now know that they do not need to obey a manifestly illegal or unlawful order." He asked Tan's lawyer Laurence Goh, a senior officer in the SAF, to get the message out that national servicemen need not obey any such order.

The Defence Ministry said that it does "not condone our commanders giving unlawful orders, and those who do so will be seriously disciplined".
 

eErotica69

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Re: Can PAP Guarantee & Swear to God That PAP Paper BG Never Give Unlawful Orders in

Problem is which GOD to swear to?
 

Leongsam

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Re: Can PAP Guarantee & Swear to God That PAP Paper BG Never Give Unlawful Orders in

I used to give unlawful orders all the time and I never had any problems at all.

Soldiers have to obey their officers no matter what the order. If they don't there'd be mutiny in the battlefield.
 

makapaaa

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NSFs needn't obey illegal orders: Judge, But Still Jail Dean List NSF.FT No Such Risk

http://mypaper.sg/top-stories/nsfs-neednt-obey-illegal-orders-judge-20141219

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[h=2]NSFs needn't obey illegal orders: Judge[/h]


ELENA CHONG


A FORMER full-time national serviceman (NSF) who was driving a military jeep without a licence when it crashed and killed his close friend was sentenced to a 10-day short detention order yesterday.

Cavin Tan, 22, had no Class 3 driving licence when he caused the death of NSF Tan Mou Sheng and caused hurt to NSFs Ow Yong Wei Long and Dickson Hong, then 20, at the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) Marsiling training area in Mandai 21/2 years ago. He pleaded guilty to both charges.

It also emerged that he had been ordered to drive the jeep.

District Judge Low Wee Ping said: "Perhaps one positive outcome of this case is that NSFs now know that they do not need to obey a manifestly illegal or unlawful order."

He asked Tan's lawyer Laurence Goh, a senior officer in the SAF, to get the message out that NSFs need not obey any order that is illegal or manifestly unlawful.

=> Jiat Liao Bee occifer: *yawn*


Deputy Public Prosecutor Tang Shangjun said that the four men - all instructors - had been involved in a training exercise from May 4 to 11 that year, led by Master Sergeant Lee Kong Kean. The 33-year-old has been charged and his case is pending.

Tan was told by Lee to drive the jeep, even though he had no Class 3 military licence and had not been trained to drive one.

That morning, he was driving behind another jeep when he lost control while negotiating a downward slope with a left bend. DPP Tang said that Tan misjudged the bend and made a sudden, sharp left turn. The jeep tilted as a result, rotated around and overturned several times before landing on its left side.

Both NSFs Hong and Ow Yong, who had not been wearing seat belts or helmets, were thrown out and injured.

Tan unbuckled himself and found Mou Sheng pinned under at his left hip. He was bleeding from his nose and mouth, and soon lapsed into unconsciousness.

The soldiers managed to lift the jeep and pull Mou Sheng out. He died later from severe pelvic crush injuries.

Mr Goh said in mitigation that Tan, now an undergraduate and on the dean's list, obeyed the order to drive even when it had been highlighted to Lee that he did not have a Class 3 licence.
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makapaaa

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Re: NSFs needn't obey illegal orders: Judge, But Still Jail Dean List NSF.FT No Such

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Blame it on your own sway luck to be born a lesser mortal Stinkee lah! *chey*
 

LITTLEREDDOT

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NS men don't have to obey their military superiors

NSFs don't need to obey illegal orders, says judge

Straits Times 19 Dec 2014

Elena Chong

A FORMER full-time national serviceman (NSF) who was driving a military jeep without a licence when it crashed and killed his close friend was sentenced to a 10-day short detention order (SDO) yesterday.

Cavin Tan, 22, had no Class 3 driving licence when he caused the death of NSF Tan Mou Sheng and caused hurt to NSFs Ow Yong Wei Long and Dickson Hong, who were all 20 then, at the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) Marsiling training area in Mandai 2 1/2 years ago. He pleaded guilty to both charges.


It also emerged that he had been ordered to drive the jeep.


District Judge Low Wee Ping said: "Perhaps one positive outcome of this case is that national servicemen now know that they do not need to obey a manifestly illegal or unlawful order."


He asked Tan's lawyer Laurence Goh, a senior officer in the SAF, to get the message out that national servicemen need not obey any such order.


Deputy Public Prosecutor Tang Shangjun said the four men - all instructors - were involved in a training exercise led by Master Sergeant Lee Kong Kean. The 33-year-old has been charged and his case is pending.


The Defence Ministry said that it does "not condone our commanders giving unlawful orders, and those who do so will be seriously disciplined".


Tan was told by Lee to drive one of the jeeps in the exercise even though he had no Class 3 military licence and had not been trained to drive one.


On the morning of the accident, Tan lost control of his jeep while negotiating a downward slope with a left bend.


DPP Tang said Tan misjudged the bend and made a sudden, sharp turn. The jeep tilted, rotated around and overturned several times before landing on its side.


NSF Hong and NSF Ow Yong, who had not been wearing seat belts or helmets, were thrown out and injured. Tan unbuckled himself and found NSF Tan Mou Sheng pinned under the jeep at his left hip. He was bleeding from his nose and mouth and soon lapsed into unconsciousness. The soldiers managed to lift the jeep and pull him out. He died later from severe pelvic crush injuries.


Mr Goh said in mitigation that Tan, now an undergraduate, obeyed the order to drive even when Lee had been told that he did not have a Class 3 licence. Tan, he said, was truly sorry for having caused the death of his college mate.


He urged the court to give his client a second chance by imposing the SDO, a community-based sentence which came into place in 2011. These can last up to 14 days and are less disruptive and stigmatising than a jail sentence.


Said Mr Goh: "The accused's decision to drive the jeep not only went against good sense, but also constituted serious breaches of SAF military training safety protocols."


Judge Low urged Tan to put this behind him and look forward.


NSF Tan Mou Sheng's father told Tan and his parents that Tan was not at fault because he was just obeying orders. Both fathers shook hands outside the court.












 

congo9

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Re: NS men don't have to obey their military superiors

You mean there is no available drivers out there then the poor chap who killed drove and killed his mates.

Can't the commanders drive themselves ?
 

Yingge

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Re: NS men don't have to obey their military superiors

The judge is stupid... Killing someone is unlawful...

So during war time... When the official ask them to go battlefield... They can reject...:biggrin:
 

gingerlyn

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Re: NS men don't have to obey their military superiors

The judge is stupid... Killing someone is unlawful...

So during war time... When the official ask them to go battlefield... They can reject...:biggrin:

will u accept it willingly and say thank you very much to PAP commanders during war time if they ask your daughters and sons and your laubu and laupei to be sodomized by other army boys and army dogs?
 

Yingge

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Re: NS men don't have to obey their military superiors

will u accept it willingly and say thank you very much to PAP commanders during war time if they ask your daughters and sons and your laubu and laupei to be sodomized by other army boys and army dogs?

Sorry... I am not from the army... I do not need to listen to political party... You should answer your own question if you do NS as army...:rolleyes:
 

McDonaldsKid

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Re: Can PAP Guarantee & Swear to God That PAP Paper BG Never Give Unlawful Orders in

For nothing die during NS. Fucking ridiculous.
 
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