Re: Useless Minister of State Desmond Lee should be sacked for his incompetence
can.. when he is a good for nothing religion fervent.
can.. when he is a good for nothing religion fervent.
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Desmond Lee - ALL TCs run on deficits. Tg Pagar gets $87 per elector; HATC $43
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Desperate Desmond Lee makes unsubstantiated accusations against citizens
It seems strange that Minister of State for National Development Desmond Lee, who is also the son of former cabinet minister Lee Yock Suan should issue a statement yesterday (21 Nov) accusing “friends, sympathisers and proxies of Workers Party (WP)” of spreading falsehoods and half-truths online.
He should have known better. The use of the terms “sympathisers and proxies of WP” immediately reminded me of the accusations made against me by the first prime minister, Lee Kuan Yew. In 1986, he had accused me of being a sympathiser of WP and called me the lieutenant of its leader, JB Jeyaretnam. While I was a sympathiser of the WP and indeed of all opposition parties, I was no lieutenant or proxy of JBJ.
Name calling is the trademark of People’s Action Party (PAP) leaders. Desmond Lee probably learnt the technique from his father, who in turn learnt from his mentor, Lee Kuan Yew. It is a tactic that worked well in the 1980s because there was no internet. There was only the print media. That I was called a WP sympathiser and lieutenant of JBJ was on print and probably scared the daylight out of members of the public then who were always terrified of being associated with the opposition. I did not rebut the statement because not being a politician, I didn’t even think of doing so.
After all, I thought, maybe erroneously on hindsight, what the media reported were the bare allegations of Lee Kuan Yew and his unquestioning assistant, Prof S Jayakumar.
Most Singaporeans today, especially young Singaporeans, are no longer afraid of being associated with the opposition.
Indeed, after the 2011 general election, it is fashionable to be associated with the opposition. What is so wrong with being friends, sympathisers and proxies of WP or for that matter, any other opposition political party?
The PAP often forget or choose to deliberately forget that Singaporeans have matured and they know they have rights as well as obligations.
While they may appreciate what the PAP government have done for the country, they also know that the government would not have succeeded without their contributions. They have a right to choose who they wish to support without being members of any political party or the PAP. They have a right to publish their views online. They have a right to criticise the PAP. There is no necessity for such a high ranking minister as the Minister of State for National Development to make such unsubstantiated accusations against Singaporeans. His time is better spent in managing the country than picking fights with “friends, sympathisers and proxies of WP”.
Teo Soh Lung
http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/201...bstantiated-accusations-against-singaporeans/
It seems strange that Minister of State for National Development Desmond Lee, who is also the son of former cabinet minister Lee Yock Suan should issue a statement yesterday (21 Nov) accusing “friends, sympathisers and proxies of Workers Party (WP)” of spreading falsehoods and half-truths online.
He should have known better. The use of the terms “sympathisers and proxies of WP” immediately reminded me of the accusations made against me by the first prime minister, Lee Kuan Yew. In 1986, he had accused me of being a sympathiser of WP and called me the lieutenant of its leader, JB Jeyaretnam. While I was a sympathiser of the WP and indeed of all opposition parties, I was no lieutenant or proxy of JBJ.
Name calling is the trademark of People’s Action Party (PAP) leaders. Desmond Lee probably learnt the technique from his father, who in turn learnt from his mentor, Lee Kuan Yew. It is a tactic that worked well in the 1980s because there was no internet. There was only the print media. That I was called a WP sympathiser and lieutenant of JBJ was on print and probably scared the daylight out of members of the public then who were always terrified of being associated with the opposition. I did not rebut the statement because not being a politician, I didn’t even think of doing so.
After all, I thought, maybe erroneously on hindsight, what the media reported were the bare allegations of Lee Kuan Yew and his unquestioning assistant, Prof S Jayakumar.
Most Singaporeans today, especially young Singaporeans, are no longer afraid of being associated with the opposition.
Indeed, after the 2011 general election, it is fashionable to be associated with the opposition. What is so wrong with being friends, sympathisers and proxies of WP or for that matter, any other opposition political party?
The PAP often forget or choose to deliberately forget that Singaporeans have matured and they know they have rights as well as obligations.
While they may appreciate what the PAP government have done for the country, they also know that the government would not have succeeded without their contributions. They have a right to choose who they wish to support without being members of any political party or the PAP. They have a right to publish their views online. They have a right to criticise the PAP. There is no necessity for such a high ranking minister as the Minister of State for National Development to make such unsubstantiated accusations against Singaporeans. His time is better spent in managing the country than picking fights with “friends, sympathisers and proxies of WP”.
Teo Soh Lung
http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/201...bstantiated-accusations-against-singaporeans/
Re: Useless Minister of State Desmond Lee should be sacked for his incompetence
Let's be fair. He is not good for nothing.
His ability to por lampar, his ability to be able to echo his masters, his ability to be swayed by the pot of gold as a minister etc should highlighted in his CV.
Let's be fair. He is not good for nothing.
His ability to por lampar, his ability to be able to echo his masters, his ability to be swayed by the pot of gold as a minister etc should highlighted in his CV.
Re: Useless Minister of State Desmond Lee should be sacked for his incompetence
And he achieved this because he got only p5 educatio, wears a cheap mickey mouse watch n no daddy as minister to lift his career to $million paycheck. Wow. Anybody can b the president of Singapore. Including jover chew.
And he achieved this because he got only p5 educatio, wears a cheap mickey mouse watch n no daddy as minister to lift his career to $million paycheck. Wow. Anybody can b the president of Singapore. Including jover chew.
Re: Desperate Desmond Lee makes unsubstantiated accusations against citizens
The Only thing that meritocracy will achieve is a 2 or even 3 party system.
Wahahahhaahahahahah
Another fine Familee tradition of meritocracy.
The Only thing that meritocracy will achieve is a 2 or even 3 party system.
Wahahahhaahahahahah
Re: Funding for town councils based on flat types, number of units: MND
PAP strategy is to magnify WP deficit by 100x while ignoring their own tc deficits. This can only be done through the cooperation a of MSM.
I am afraid that this issue will be the main thrust of PAP offensive during GE for the reason it local and national in nature. Local in the sense that it helps PAP aljunied team campaign and national because it warns voters island wide the downside of voting for oppositions particularly those wards contest by WP. At the same time it can be used to obfuscate larger issues like raising cost of living, housing, ft etc
For WP to counter this, it important they must stand firm and refute PAP point by point. At the same time know when to stop because PAP will keep repeating the same allegations no matter how WP refutes. The main objective is to avoid letting PAP dictate the election agenda, shift the voters focus back to issues which play to opposition advantage.
PAP strategy is to magnify WP deficit by 100x while ignoring their own tc deficits. This can only be done through the cooperation a of MSM.
I am afraid that this issue will be the main thrust of PAP offensive during GE for the reason it local and national in nature. Local in the sense that it helps PAP aljunied team campaign and national because it warns voters island wide the downside of voting for oppositions particularly those wards contest by WP. At the same time it can be used to obfuscate larger issues like raising cost of living, housing, ft etc
For WP to counter this, it important they must stand firm and refute PAP point by point. At the same time know when to stop because PAP will keep repeating the same allegations no matter how WP refutes. The main objective is to avoid letting PAP dictate the election agenda, shift the voters focus back to issues which play to opposition advantage.
Ahpetc responds to desmond lee's criticisms
[h=1]AHPETC RESPONDS TO DESMOND LEE'S CRITICISMS[/h]
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The Workers' Party has responded to questions and accusations made by Minister of State for National Development, Desmond Lee, about their S&CC arrears and other town council management issues.
Mr Lee had released a statement highlighting the "Serious Financial Mismanagement" of the AHPETC and had questioned why they were "hiding" details about their accounts.
Related:
Desmond Lee: WP still hasn't Explained the "Serious Financial Mismanagement"
Desmond Lee Joins in to Attack Workers' Party Town Council
In response to these accusations and related media queires, the WP town council has released a statement explaining that they have not been hiding anything as alleged by Mr Lee.
Here is their full statement on the issue:
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RESPONSE TO PRESS QUERY 21 NOV 2014
We refer to the remarks made by the Minister of State for the Ministry of National Development (MND), Mr Desmond Lee on 21 November 2014.
AHPETC have not obfuscated or intentionally delayed in responding to the matters raised by MOS Lee, but have made it known to the public that we are looking into the S&CC arrears data, and will respond to the query on the financial and arrears situation in due course.
We are surprised that MOS Lee has framed the matter as an issue of transparency and accountability. The Auditor-General’s Office (AGO) has been auditing AHPETC’s accounts, and we believe that MND will make the AGO report public in its entirety when the audit ends.
PRITAM SINGH & PNG ENG HUAT
VICE-CHAIRMEN
ALJUNIED-HOUGANG-PUNGGOL EAST TOWN COUNCIL
Source: http://www.ahpetc.sg/media-release-22-november-2014/
[h=1]AHPETC RESPONDS TO DESMOND LEE'S CRITICISMS[/h]
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The Workers' Party has responded to questions and accusations made by Minister of State for National Development, Desmond Lee, about their S&CC arrears and other town council management issues.
Mr Lee had released a statement highlighting the "Serious Financial Mismanagement" of the AHPETC and had questioned why they were "hiding" details about their accounts.
Related:
Desmond Lee: WP still hasn't Explained the "Serious Financial Mismanagement"
Desmond Lee Joins in to Attack Workers' Party Town Council
In response to these accusations and related media queires, the WP town council has released a statement explaining that they have not been hiding anything as alleged by Mr Lee.
Here is their full statement on the issue:
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RESPONSE TO PRESS QUERY 21 NOV 2014
We refer to the remarks made by the Minister of State for the Ministry of National Development (MND), Mr Desmond Lee on 21 November 2014.
AHPETC have not obfuscated or intentionally delayed in responding to the matters raised by MOS Lee, but have made it known to the public that we are looking into the S&CC arrears data, and will respond to the query on the financial and arrears situation in due course.
We are surprised that MOS Lee has framed the matter as an issue of transparency and accountability. The Auditor-General’s Office (AGO) has been auditing AHPETC’s accounts, and we believe that MND will make the AGO report public in its entirety when the audit ends.
PRITAM SINGH & PNG ENG HUAT
VICE-CHAIRMEN
ALJUNIED-HOUGANG-PUNGGOL EAST TOWN COUNCIL
Source: http://www.ahpetc.sg/media-release-22-november-2014/
Re: Ahpetc responds to desmond lee's criticisms
[h=1]TRANSPARENCY & ACCOUNTABILITY – ALJUNIED HAD $5.5M SURPLUS IN 2011?[/h]
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I refer to the article “Accountability and transparency needed from AHPETC: Desmond Lee” (Channel NewsAsia, Nov 21).
Aljunied had $3.3m operating surplus in 2011
It states that ”AHPETC received the same S&CC grants in FY12 that it got before the 2011 General Election. Yet, in FY10 the TC ran an operating surplus of $3.3m, but in FY12 it ran a deficit of $734,000. Why did this happen?”
Aljunied had $5.5m accumulated surplus in 2011?
- Was Aljunied before it was lost to the Workers’ Party, arguably collecting too much S & CC (perhaps too zealously too?) – resulting in an operating surplus of $3.3m, in addition to an accumulated surplus of $2,170,987, to give a total accumulated surplus of $5,471,371 for the year ended 31 March 2011.
AHPETC had $3.3m deficit, but $2.7m accumulated surplus in 2013?
In contrast, despite an operating deficit of $3.3m, AHPETC ended the year (31 March, 2013) with an accumulated surplus of $2,748,196.
Why accumulate so much surpluses?
From the perspective and the interest of residents – how appropriate is it for town councils to (over) accumulate so much operating surpluses – only to have them transferred to the sinking fund at the next election?
“Confuse the public and distract them from the real issues”?
As to “AHPETC has yet to explain its serious financial mismanagement, and the S&CC arrears. Instead, we have seen a coordinated online campaign to distract the public, using falsehoods, half-truths and speculations, by friends, sympathisers and proxies of the Workers’ Party (WP). The aim is to confuse the public and distract them from the real issues. MND has addressed these untruths. This is what the WP often does when caught under the spotlight – raise a flurry of red herrings in the hope that people forget that they have not come clean.
The key issue is accountability and transparency.”
“Accountability and transparency”?
- In the spirit of “accountability and transparency” and “distract (them) from the real issues” – Can the following information be disclosed and questions answered?
Historical grants?
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Why not give the historical year-to-year total government grants and the breakdown into the different funds, for opposition and PAP town councils, so that the people can see and judge for themselves?
Breakdown of flats?
Why not just give the breakdown of the types of flats in the opposition and PAP town councils, and the changes before and after the last elections due to boundary changes, instead of a general statement on the percentage of 3-room or smaller flats in some town councils?
Section 34?
Since as I understand it – Section 34 of the Town Councils Act states that 100% of the accumulated surplus has to be transferred to the sinking fund if the winning party is a different one – why was Aljunied allowed to contravene the legislation and only transfer 80%?
Also, what is the rationale to amend the legislation such that the accumulated surplus has to be transferred to the sinking fund when there is an election – thus, depriving residents of the surplus for operating expenditure. And why 80% if the same party wins, but 100% if a different party wins?
Since AHPETC’s annual report for 2012 indicated an an accumulated surplus of $5,471,371 for the year ended 31 March 2011 – why is it that the MND’s clarification says that $3.7M (80% of the accumulated surplus was transferred to the sinking fund)?
No upgrading for you?
By the way, have we forgotten that Singaporeans were threatened for decades during elections that their flats would not be upgraded if they voted for the opposition.
The “real issue”?
The real issue is arguably not so much about one opposition town council’s S & CC arrears in one year, but the entire system and policies relating to town councils.
Leong Sze Hian
[h=1]TRANSPARENCY & ACCOUNTABILITY – ALJUNIED HAD $5.5M SURPLUS IN 2011?[/h]
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I refer to the article “Accountability and transparency needed from AHPETC: Desmond Lee” (Channel NewsAsia, Nov 21).
Aljunied had $3.3m operating surplus in 2011
It states that ”AHPETC received the same S&CC grants in FY12 that it got before the 2011 General Election. Yet, in FY10 the TC ran an operating surplus of $3.3m, but in FY12 it ran a deficit of $734,000. Why did this happen?”
Aljunied had $5.5m accumulated surplus in 2011?
- Was Aljunied before it was lost to the Workers’ Party, arguably collecting too much S & CC (perhaps too zealously too?) – resulting in an operating surplus of $3.3m, in addition to an accumulated surplus of $2,170,987, to give a total accumulated surplus of $5,471,371 for the year ended 31 March 2011.
AHPETC had $3.3m deficit, but $2.7m accumulated surplus in 2013?
In contrast, despite an operating deficit of $3.3m, AHPETC ended the year (31 March, 2013) with an accumulated surplus of $2,748,196.
Why accumulate so much surpluses?
From the perspective and the interest of residents – how appropriate is it for town councils to (over) accumulate so much operating surpluses – only to have them transferred to the sinking fund at the next election?
“Confuse the public and distract them from the real issues”?
As to “AHPETC has yet to explain its serious financial mismanagement, and the S&CC arrears. Instead, we have seen a coordinated online campaign to distract the public, using falsehoods, half-truths and speculations, by friends, sympathisers and proxies of the Workers’ Party (WP). The aim is to confuse the public and distract them from the real issues. MND has addressed these untruths. This is what the WP often does when caught under the spotlight – raise a flurry of red herrings in the hope that people forget that they have not come clean.
The key issue is accountability and transparency.”
“Accountability and transparency”?
- In the spirit of “accountability and transparency” and “distract (them) from the real issues” – Can the following information be disclosed and questions answered?
Historical grants?
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Why not give the historical year-to-year total government grants and the breakdown into the different funds, for opposition and PAP town councils, so that the people can see and judge for themselves?
Breakdown of flats?
Why not just give the breakdown of the types of flats in the opposition and PAP town councils, and the changes before and after the last elections due to boundary changes, instead of a general statement on the percentage of 3-room or smaller flats in some town councils?
Section 34?
Since as I understand it – Section 34 of the Town Councils Act states that 100% of the accumulated surplus has to be transferred to the sinking fund if the winning party is a different one – why was Aljunied allowed to contravene the legislation and only transfer 80%?
Also, what is the rationale to amend the legislation such that the accumulated surplus has to be transferred to the sinking fund when there is an election – thus, depriving residents of the surplus for operating expenditure. And why 80% if the same party wins, but 100% if a different party wins?
Since AHPETC’s annual report for 2012 indicated an an accumulated surplus of $5,471,371 for the year ended 31 March 2011 – why is it that the MND’s clarification says that $3.7M (80% of the accumulated surplus was transferred to the sinking fund)?
No upgrading for you?
By the way, have we forgotten that Singaporeans were threatened for decades during elections that their flats would not be upgraded if they voted for the opposition.
The “real issue”?
The real issue is arguably not so much about one opposition town council’s S & CC arrears in one year, but the entire system and policies relating to town councils.
Leong Sze Hian
Re: Desperate Desmond Lee makes unsubstantiated accusations against citizens
Great merit can be inherited yes?
Another fine Familee tradition of meritocracy.
Great merit can be inherited yes?
Re: Desperate Desmond Lee makes unsubstantiated accusations against citizens
Delusion can be inherited yes.
Delusion can be inherited yes.
Re: Funding for town councils based on flat types, number of units: MND
It appears that there are serious grey areas in the account that were handed over and these are linked to the issues raised by mnd. Ahpetc can now surface these discrepancies to AGC. AGC will then be caught in a bind as accounting is just a tedious arithmetic process, whereby when it doesn't tally, the source can be traced.
From the latest response by ahpetc, it appears they are purposely dragging AGC into the foray. (They mentioned that they expect mnd to make public the investigation report by AGC).
It appears that there are serious grey areas in the account that were handed over and these are linked to the issues raised by mnd. Ahpetc can now surface these discrepancies to AGC. AGC will then be caught in a bind as accounting is just a tedious arithmetic process, whereby when it doesn't tally, the source can be traced.
Re: Desperate Desmond Lee makes unsubstantiated accusations against citizens
Wow.. Seems like this CB Kia son of Lee Yock Suan is now feeling heat and has now resorted to hurling wild accusations to save his backside... Fucktards like him is the reason why the GRC system has failed this country badly..
Wow.. Seems like this CB Kia son of Lee Yock Suan is now feeling heat and has now resorted to hurling wild accusations to save his backside... Fucktards like him is the reason why the GRC system has failed this country badly..
Re: Desperate Desmond Lee makes unsubstantiated accusations against citizens
The idiot thought he was being smart.
He joins his internet-shy colleague MP Intan in joining the "unelectable" list of candidates.
This kind of shit happens when low quality MPs are made "MINIsters" - they have blardy small minds.
The idiot thought he was being smart.
He joins his internet-shy colleague MP Intan in joining the "unelectable" list of candidates.
This kind of shit happens when low quality MPs are made "MINIsters" - they have blardy small minds.
Re: Desperate Desmond Lee makes unsubstantiated accusations against citizens
Don't know he listen to which grandfather story and follow blindly the advice given to him.
Don't know he listen to which grandfather story and follow blindly the advice given to him.
Re: Desperate Desmond Lee makes unsubstantiated accusations against citizens
Nothing illegal with wp's action. Papzi can kpkb and ignore peasant grouse. N lose more votes. Sending sons of ex ministers to finish off where their incompetent dad has started only adds to the rubbed salt.
Nothing illegal with wp's action. Papzi can kpkb and ignore peasant grouse. N lose more votes. Sending sons of ex ministers to finish off where their incompetent dad has started only adds to the rubbed salt.
Re: Desperate Desmond Lee makes unsubstantiated accusations against citizens
If he feels that netizens are being unfair, he should call a town hall meeting and answer the questions.
Instead of accusing anyone who disagrees with him that they are ganging up on him.
Kidding, kidding.
I know, I know, he won't have the bolls to do so.
If he feels that netizens are being unfair, he should call a town hall meeting and answer the questions.
Instead of accusing anyone who disagrees with him that they are ganging up on him.
Kidding, kidding.
I know, I know, he won't have the bolls to do so.
Minister Desmond Lee making unsubstantiated accusations is big disgrace
“What evidence does he have that sites like ours, TOC and TRE are run by the Workers’ Party?”
Launching his second wave of tirade against AHPETC on the issue of arrears, the PAP Minister of State Desmond Lee made some serious and unfounded accusations against the online community.
First, we would like to ask Desmond Lee: what proof does he have that the online community are acting in coordination with one another?
As a Minister of State, why is he making baseless and blatantly misleading accusations?
Where was he when Fabrications About the PAP was making baseless and stupid accusations and spreading falsehoods?
Secondly, what falsehoods is he talking about? It is a fact that grants to AHPETC were drastically reduced after GE2011. And why didn’t he explain the reason for having an all-PAP MP/politician committee to oversee the disbursement of town council grants?
Thirdly, he links the online jibes with The Workers’ Party. What evidence does he have that sites like ours, TOC and TRE are run by the Workers’ Party?
We dare him to show us the proof. If he does not have, we suggest he go get his head checked immediately.
P.S. TAV’s further note to Desmond Lee in another posting: Sharing each other’s post doesn’t mean the same people are running the different social media sites.
See what others say here............http://www.tremeritus.com/2014/11/23/can-you-believe-desmond-lee-is-a-minister/
“What evidence does he have that sites like ours, TOC and TRE are run by the Workers’ Party?”
Launching his second wave of tirade against AHPETC on the issue of arrears, the PAP Minister of State Desmond Lee made some serious and unfounded accusations against the online community.
First, we would like to ask Desmond Lee: what proof does he have that the online community are acting in coordination with one another?
As a Minister of State, why is he making baseless and blatantly misleading accusations?
Where was he when Fabrications About the PAP was making baseless and stupid accusations and spreading falsehoods?
Secondly, what falsehoods is he talking about? It is a fact that grants to AHPETC were drastically reduced after GE2011. And why didn’t he explain the reason for having an all-PAP MP/politician committee to oversee the disbursement of town council grants?
Thirdly, he links the online jibes with The Workers’ Party. What evidence does he have that sites like ours, TOC and TRE are run by the Workers’ Party?
We dare him to show us the proof. If he does not have, we suggest he go get his head checked immediately.
P.S. TAV’s further note to Desmond Lee in another posting: Sharing each other’s post doesn’t mean the same people are running the different social media sites.
See what others say here............http://www.tremeritus.com/2014/11/23/can-you-believe-desmond-lee-is-a-minister/
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