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The Disquiet of WP AHPeTC's Incompetency?
- Thread starter Goh Meng Seng
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there was this garang auntie who refused to pay the conservancy arrears. she claimed that she didn't support WP and so she refused to pay. WP is kind enough not to sue and pursue her.
if it were a pap's ward like queenstown which voters didn't even ve a chance to vote cos of walkover and i do not support pap, can i do the same thing?
if it were a pap's ward like queenstown which voters didn't even ve a chance to vote cos of walkover and i do not support pap, can i do the same thing?
Re: Lim On Arrears: What’d Happen If WP Were In Charge Of SG?
That is why I have far more respect for the PAP compared to the WP. They have the courage to make hard but unpopular decisions in order to make sure the system if fair to all.
Imagine what would happen to any organisation if bad debt was simply written off without any effort whatsoever to recover the amount owed.
Word would spread and in no time at all, the amount of bad debt would balloon out of control as more and people took advantage of the fact that there was no compulsion to pay dues. All they were required to do would be to come up with a sob story of how broke they were and their debt would be forgiven.
The PAP runs the show prudently and pragmatically while the WP operates with its head in the clouds.
That is why I have far more respect for the PAP compared to the WP. They have the courage to make hard but unpopular decisions in order to make sure the system if fair to all.
Imagine what would happen to any organisation if bad debt was simply written off without any effort whatsoever to recover the amount owed.
Word would spread and in no time at all, the amount of bad debt would balloon out of control as more and people took advantage of the fact that there was no compulsion to pay dues. All they were required to do would be to come up with a sob story of how broke they were and their debt would be forgiven.
The PAP runs the show prudently and pragmatically while the WP operates with its head in the clouds.
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Re: Lim On Arrears: What’d Happen If WP Were In Charge Of SG?
Gee!, I & many others, are showing great compassion, allowing the PAP to change the rules whenever they wish, however they wish to our CPF money.
Of course you cannot run a country with compassion....it is call a dictator, or an evil emperor etc.. WP is trying to balance compassion with the practicability of keeping the accounts afloat..not like these people, who have no qualms in loosing money in bad investments & have the audacity to point fingers at the Oppositions..
this overfed, hiding in PMO for 3 decades....have no shame...the darkest pot, that can be found..is calling the WP black...omg, Paul...go for confession...
Gee!, I & many others, are showing great compassion, allowing the PAP to change the rules whenever they wish, however they wish to our CPF money.
Of course you cannot run a country with compassion....it is call a dictator, or an evil emperor etc.. WP is trying to balance compassion with the practicability of keeping the accounts afloat..not like these people, who have no qualms in loosing money in bad investments & have the audacity to point fingers at the Oppositions..
this overfed, hiding in PMO for 3 decades....have no shame...the darkest pot, that can be found..is calling the WP black...omg, Paul...go for confession...
Re: Lim On Arrears: What’d Happen If WP Were In Charge Of SG?
Compassion and empathy is how people should treat each other. It's part of human interaction.
However, to legislate compassion into government or organisational policy would be a disaster simply because organisations have to operate according to a set of rules which are enforced in an impartial manner.
You can't have a town council forgiving the debt of certain households because they feel sorry for them while insisting on payment from others because they don't evoke feelings of sympathy.
It's possible that Singaporeans would start learning values like compassion and empathy.
Compassion and empathy is how people should treat each other. It's part of human interaction.
However, to legislate compassion into government or organisational policy would be a disaster simply because organisations have to operate according to a set of rules which are enforced in an impartial manner.
You can't have a town council forgiving the debt of certain households because they feel sorry for them while insisting on payment from others because they don't evoke feelings of sympathy.
Re: Lim On Arrears: What’d Happen If WP Were In Charge Of SG?
True, true....but remember, who is voting for you & who is putting your bread & butter on the table....voters can can't put bread & butter on the table. must starve to pay for TC fees, is not going to show any empathy for the party he or she going to vote for...
any political party can never take for granted that, they are there for life & people, must always vote for them....even the WP...
It is a 'dog chasing its tail'.....
True, true....but remember, who is voting for you & who is putting your bread & butter on the table....voters can can't put bread & butter on the table. must starve to pay for TC fees, is not going to show any empathy for the party he or she going to vote for...
any political party can never take for granted that, they are there for life & people, must always vote for them....even the WP...
It is a 'dog chasing its tail'.....
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Re: Lim On Arrears: What’d Happen If WP Were In Charge Of SG?
We have come to the point that we have to start from scratch. If it means going to every household that is in arrears and seeing if they can really pay or not, so be it. For much too long, too much emphasis has been placed on "value" and too little on "values".
Another serious problem in SG that needs to be addressed in addition to "value" vs "values" is the issue of "income and wealth inequity" as opposed to "income and wealth inequality", the latter of which is perfectly acceptable.
We have come to the point that we have to start from scratch. If it means going to every household that is in arrears and seeing if they can really pay or not, so be it. For much too long, too much emphasis has been placed on "value" and too little on "values".
Another serious problem in SG that needs to be addressed in addition to "value" vs "values" is the issue of "income and wealth inequity" as opposed to "income and wealth inequality", the latter of which is perfectly acceptable.
Re: Lim On Arrears: What’d Happen If WP Were In Charge Of SG?
The PAP had dispensed with "VALUES" a long time ago, in their pursuit of Value for money...& those attributes of value. Everything of theirs is place on getting value for this & that..nothing wrong in itself; but greed had got into them, that they forget & take for granted that, those who voted for them, will go on forever, adding VALUE . They have lost the "Values" of life.
The PAP had dispensed with "VALUES" a long time ago, in their pursuit of Value for money...& those attributes of value. Everything of theirs is place on getting value for this & that..nothing wrong in itself; but greed had got into them, that they forget & take for granted that, those who voted for them, will go on forever, adding VALUE . They have lost the "Values" of life.
Re: Lim On Arrears: What’d Happen If WP Were In Charge Of SG?
They still have plenty of "values" of life.............................. for their own family members and close friends.
They still have plenty of "values" of life.............................. for their own family members and close friends.
Re: Lim On Arrears: What’d Happen If WP Were In Charge Of SG?
The PAP has simply adopted the value system of the people they govern.
Policies that feed the greed of the electorate are far more popular than policies that pander to justice, fairness and empathy.
If Singaporeans preferred "values" rather than "value", Chee Soon Juan would receive far more support. I respect the man for what he stands for. Unfortunately, it gains no traction with the voters who are far more concerned about the bottom line than human rights and fairness.
The PAP has simply adopted the value system of the people they govern.
Policies that feed the greed of the electorate are far more popular than policies that pander to justice, fairness and empathy.
If Singaporeans preferred "values" rather than "value", Chee Soon Juan would receive far more support. I respect the man for what he stands for. Unfortunately, it gains no traction with the voters who are far more concerned about the bottom line than human rights and fairness.
Re: Lim On Arrears: What’d Happen If WP Were In Charge Of SG?
Many of the voters have no choice or no voice to vote....the government is hiding under a "mushroom"...if all the electoral divisions had been single wards....they would have been voted out of gone to be another oppositions, long time ago...
I am sure many people value the PAP..I do...but the values they are touting these days, aren't those of their predecessors...their values now is to pursue money at all cost..
I would vote for CSJ..for whatever values he may represent as oppose to the all the values the ruling party may have & many I am sure would have done so... it is a "between the devil & the deep blue sea" thing...
So, what, values or value you want to tout about??
Many of the voters have no choice or no voice to vote....the government is hiding under a "mushroom"...if all the electoral divisions had been single wards....they would have been voted out of gone to be another oppositions, long time ago...
I am sure many people value the PAP..I do...but the values they are touting these days, aren't those of their predecessors...their values now is to pursue money at all cost..
I would vote for CSJ..for whatever values he may represent as oppose to the all the values the ruling party may have & many I am sure would have done so... it is a "between the devil & the deep blue sea" thing...
So, what, values or value you want to tout about??
Re: Lim On Arrears: What’d Happen If WP Were In Charge Of SG?
Better that they be in charge as there will be less payment for incompetence which is all ard us to see!
LIM BOON HENG: starting withyou - what the fuck you know abt investment n business? Why the fuck your CEO always not ard but follows husband on his trips?? Looks like Temasick Holding dun need a CEO at all which will save us a lot of money!!!!
Better that they be in charge as there will be less payment for incompetence which is all ard us to see!
LIM BOON HENG: starting withyou - what the fuck you know abt investment n business? Why the fuck your CEO always not ard but follows husband on his trips?? Looks like Temasick Holding dun need a CEO at all which will save us a lot of money!!!!
Re: Lim On Arrears: What’d Happen If WP Were In Charge Of SG?
Dear Leongsam,
Although I don't agree totally with you but your observation is sharp and precise.
I have also asked WP people, is Compassion the only thing needed to make WP better than PAP? Even if it means that Compassion resulting in the fall and destruction/bankrupt of the TC or government eventually? They kept quiet.
I believe this problem of almost 30% arrears is caused by human mistakes instead of poverty. I was already hearing people living in Aljunied talking about strange incidents whereby they receive arrears reminder when they have already paid it. To think that Sylvia Lim actually said they need manpower to do "sorting" to verify arrears in order for them to report simple report to HDB, it really makes me wonder whether it is due to their new multi-million dollar software which has screwed up!
No matter what, accountability must be extracted. They should not renew the contract of FMSS which has screwed up the running of AHPeTC.
Goh Meng Seng
Dear Leongsam,
Although I don't agree totally with you but your observation is sharp and precise.
I have also asked WP people, is Compassion the only thing needed to make WP better than PAP? Even if it means that Compassion resulting in the fall and destruction/bankrupt of the TC or government eventually? They kept quiet.
I believe this problem of almost 30% arrears is caused by human mistakes instead of poverty. I was already hearing people living in Aljunied talking about strange incidents whereby they receive arrears reminder when they have already paid it. To think that Sylvia Lim actually said they need manpower to do "sorting" to verify arrears in order for them to report simple report to HDB, it really makes me wonder whether it is due to their new multi-million dollar software which has screwed up!
No matter what, accountability must be extracted. They should not renew the contract of FMSS which has screwed up the running of AHPeTC.
Goh Meng Seng
Re: Lim On Arrears: What’d Happen If WP Were In Charge Of SG?
cope from Facebook
“Mr Lim (Boon Heng) said that the WP-run town council’s (AHPETC) swing from an operating surplus to a deficit in the short span of 3 years is worrying. “It begs many questions,” he told reporters who were present.
The Aljunied Town Council had an operating surplus of $3.3 million in the 2010 financial year, when it was under PAP. In contrast, AHPETC had a deficit of $734,000 in the 2012 financial year.”
100% of accumulated surplus transferred to sinking fund when PAP lost to WP?
As a resident of Aljunied, I am curious as to why there was no mention that under Section 34 of the Town Council Act, when a different party takes over a town council after an election, 100% of the accumulated operating surplus has to be transferred to the sinking fund.
This in effect, deprives the residents of the surplus for operating expenditure in the future.
Why would any Parliament pass such legislation on town councils?
So, what was the amount of accumulated surplus that was transferred to the sinking fund, when the Workers’ Party won Aljunied in the last elections?
Aren’t the remarks arguably somewhat misleading, as it may give the impression that the AHPETC had squandered the operating surplus of $3.3 million after it took over the town council, when in fact – was it transferred to the sinking fund?"
Editor’s note:
Part VI section 34(3) of the Town Councils Act, “Transfer of surpluses after Parliamentary election”, states that:
(a) if the Member or Members elected and the previous Member or Members for the constituency stood in elections for the same political party — 80% of its surpluses relating to such area of the Town comprised in that constituency shall be transferred to the prescribed sinking funds of the Town Council relating to that area; or
(b) if the Member or Members elected and the previous Member or Members for the constituency stood in elections for different political parties — all its surpluses relating to such area of the Town comprised in that constituency shall be transferred to the prescribed sinking funds of the Town Council relating to that area.
cope from Facebook
“Mr Lim (Boon Heng) said that the WP-run town council’s (AHPETC) swing from an operating surplus to a deficit in the short span of 3 years is worrying. “It begs many questions,” he told reporters who were present.
The Aljunied Town Council had an operating surplus of $3.3 million in the 2010 financial year, when it was under PAP. In contrast, AHPETC had a deficit of $734,000 in the 2012 financial year.”
100% of accumulated surplus transferred to sinking fund when PAP lost to WP?
As a resident of Aljunied, I am curious as to why there was no mention that under Section 34 of the Town Council Act, when a different party takes over a town council after an election, 100% of the accumulated operating surplus has to be transferred to the sinking fund.
This in effect, deprives the residents of the surplus for operating expenditure in the future.
Why would any Parliament pass such legislation on town councils?
So, what was the amount of accumulated surplus that was transferred to the sinking fund, when the Workers’ Party won Aljunied in the last elections?
Aren’t the remarks arguably somewhat misleading, as it may give the impression that the AHPETC had squandered the operating surplus of $3.3 million after it took over the town council, when in fact – was it transferred to the sinking fund?"
Editor’s note:
Part VI section 34(3) of the Town Councils Act, “Transfer of surpluses after Parliamentary election”, states that:
(a) if the Member or Members elected and the previous Member or Members for the constituency stood in elections for the same political party — 80% of its surpluses relating to such area of the Town comprised in that constituency shall be transferred to the prescribed sinking funds of the Town Council relating to that area; or
(b) if the Member or Members elected and the previous Member or Members for the constituency stood in elections for different political parties — all its surpluses relating to such area of the Town comprised in that constituency shall be transferred to the prescribed sinking funds of the Town Council relating to that area.
Re: Lim On Arrears: What’d Happen If WP Were In Charge Of SG?
Lim Boon Heng said that AHPETC had a surplus of $3.3 million that turned into a deficit. Actually, they might not have. So says the Town Councils Act.
"So, what was the amount of accumulated surplus that was transferred to the sinking fund, when the Workers’ Party won Aljunied in the last elections?
Aren’t the remarks arguably somewhat misleading, as it may give the impression that the AHPETC had squandered the operating surplus of $3.3 million after it took over the town council, when in fact – was it transferred to the sinking fund?"
Lim Boon Heng said that AHPETC had a surplus of $3.3 million that turned into a deficit. Actually, they might not have. So says the Town Councils Act.
"So, what was the amount of accumulated surplus that was transferred to the sinking fund, when the Workers’ Party won Aljunied in the last elections?
Aren’t the remarks arguably somewhat misleading, as it may give the impression that the AHPETC had squandered the operating surplus of $3.3 million after it took over the town council, when in fact – was it transferred to the sinking fund?"
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