Ang Moh Space projects FAILURES vs Chinese SUCCESS

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China's unmanned lunar orbiter returns home, first in nearly four decades
** ** ** ** ** * English.news.cn | 2014-11-01 08:01:41 | Editor: Fu Peng


Researchers retrieve the return capsule of China's unmanned lunar orbiter in the central region of north China's Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, Nov. 1, 2014. Return capsule of China's test lunar orbiter landed successfully early Saturday morning in north China's Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, according to the Beijing Aerospace Control Center. (Xinhua/Ren Junchuan)

BEIJING, Nov. 1 (Xinhua) -- China succeeded Saturday in the world's first mission to the Moon and back in some 40 years, becoming the third nation to do so after the former Soviet Union and the United States.

The test lunar orbiter, nicknamed "Xiaofei" on Chinese social networks, landed in Siziwang Banner of China's Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region early Saturday morning.

Search teams have already recovered the orbiter at the designated landing area, about 500 kilometers away from Beijing.

The last documented mission of this kind was by the Soviet Union in the 1970s.

Launched Friday last week, the orbiter traversed 840,000 kilometers on its eight-day mission that saw it round the far side of the Moon and take some incredible pictures of Earth and Moon together.

The re-entry process began at around 6:13 a.m. Saturday morning, with the orbiter approaching Earth at a velocity of about 11.2 kilometers per second.

The high speed led to hefty friction between the orbiter and air and high temperatures on the craft's exterior, generating an ion sheath that cut off contact between ground command and the orbiter.

To help it slow down, the craft is designed to "bounce" off the edge of the atmosphere, before re-entering again. The process has been compared to a stone skipping across water, and can shorten the "braking distance" for the orbiter, according to Zhou Jianliang, chief engineer with the Beijing Aerospace Command and Control Center.

"Really, this is like braking a car," said Zhou, "The faster you drive, the longer the distance you need to bring the car to a complete stop."

The "bounce" was one of the biggest challenges of the mission, because the craft must enter the atmosphere at a very precise angle. An error of 0.2 degrees would have rendered the mission a failure.

Wu Yanhua, vice director of China's State Administration of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense, said the successful test mission has gathered a lot of experimental data and laid a solid foundation for future missions.`

PAVING WAY FOR NEW PROBE

The eight-day program is a test run for the final chapter of China's three-step--orbiting, landing and finally returning--lunar program.

"Xiaofei" is obtaining data and validating re-entry technology such as the heat shield and trajectory design for a future landing on the moon by Chang'e-5.

Earlier reports said Chang'e-5 will be launched around 2017. The goal is to collect samples from the Moon and return to Earth. If successful, China will become the third nation to do so.

Calling "Xiaofei" a pathfinder for Chang'e-5, Zhou Jianliang said the data acquired by the lunar orbiter will optimize technology for Chang'e-5.

Hao Xifan, deputy chief of China's third phase lunar exploration program, also said the mission validated ground support capacities, craft landing technology and recoverable spacecraft technology.

According to Wu Weiren, chief designer of China's lunar exploration program, Chang'e-5 is expected to collect a 2-kg sample from two meters under the Moon's surface and bring it home.

Aside from the high-speed re-entry, major technological challenges for the craft center on surface sampling, taking off from the Moon, and lunar orbit rendezvous, Wu said.

READY TO MAKE HISTORY, AGAIN

China launched a pair of orbiting lunar probes and last year landed a craft on the moon with a rover on board.

Saturday's success is another step forward for China's ambition that could eventually land a Chinese citizen there. Few countries can rival China's space program although China never intended to participate in any "space race".

In an earlier interview with Xinhua, Wu Weiren said lunar probe technology and software could be of great economic value if adapted for commercial use.

Commercial gains aside, the space program is already a marker of China's global stature and technical expertise. The Chang'e lunar probes - named after a goddess who took her pet Yutu, or jade rabbit, to the moon - are a symbol of great national pride.

The country sent its first astronaut into space in 2003, becoming the third nation after Russia and the U.S. to achieve manned space travel independently. In 2008, astronauts aboard the Shenzhou-7 made China's first space walk. There are plans for a permanent space station, expected to be set up around 2022.

The Chang'e-1 and Chang'e-2 missions in 2007 and 2010 respectively, capped the orbital phase of the three step project. Chang'e-1 crashed onto the Moon's surface at the end of its mission, and Chang'e-2 was sent into deep space to become China's first man-made asteroid.

The ongoing second phase saw Chang'e-3 soft land on the moon carrying moon rover Yutu in December 2013. Chang'e-4 was a backup for Chang'e-3 and has not been deployed.

In the meantime, Yutu has entered its 11th dormancy earlier October, although its functions have degraded considerably after it encountered control issues in January this year. Experts had feared that it might never function again, but Yutu has stubbornly managed to wake up from its sleep mode ever since.

None of those missions were intended to return to Earth and this has pushed the 2017 mission further into spotlight.

"The Chang'e-5 mission will be yet another historic moment for China's lunar program," Wu said.

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BEIJING, Oct. 23 (Xinhuanet) -- China will launch an experimental spacecraft between Friday and Sunday to test a key technology designed to help a future lunar probe return to Earth with soil samples.

The unnamed spacecraft is due to reach a location near the moon before returning to Earth, said a spokesman for the China National Space Administration, which announced the launch on Wednesday.Full Story

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Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo Crashes: 1 Dead, 1 Injured
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Virgin Galactic’s SpaceShipTwo rocket plane exploded and crashed during a test flight on Friday, killing one crew member and seriously injuring another, authorities said.

The explosion came after the plane dropped away from its WhiteKnightTwo carrier airplane and fired up its hybrid rocket engine, said Stuart Witt, CEO and general manager of the Mojave Air and Space Port in California. The blast scattered debris across a two-mile swath of the desert floor north of Mojave, which is about 95 miles (150 kilometers) outside Los Angeles.

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One of the two test pilots aboard the plane was killed, said Kern County Sheriff Donny Youngblood, who was among the officials dealing with the crash's aftermath.

The other parachuted to the ground and was injured. That pilot was transferred to Antelope Valley Hospital in Lancaster, California, according to Kern County Deputy Fire Chief Michael Cody.


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"We hope that the survivor will be just fine," Youngblood said during a news briefing.

The pilots have not yet been identified, but both of them worked for Mojave-based Scaled Composites, according to Scaled's president, Kevin Mickey. Scaled has played a key role in developing and testing SpaceShipTwo for Virgin Galactic.

Virgin Galactic had planned to use this SpaceShipTwo to fly passengers on suborbital trips to the edge of space, beginning as early as next year. A nearly identical rocket plane is already under construction inside a Mojave hangar. More than 700 customers, including celebrities such as Ashton Kutcher and Justin Bieber, have paid as much as $250,000 to take a ride.

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George T. Whitesides, Virgin Galactic's CEO, said the company would press on despite the setback.

"Space is hard, and today was a tough day," Whitesides told reporters. "We are going to be supporting the investigation as we figure out what happened today, and we're going to get through it. The future rests in many ways on hard, hard days like this. But we believe we owe it to the folks who were flying these vehicles as well as the folks who are working so hard on them to understand this and to move forward."

Witt said Mojave's close-knit aviation community was hit hard by the tragedy.

"When we have a mishap from the test community, we find that the test community is very small," he said. "We are human, and it hurts."

First powered flight in months

SpaceShipTwo's crew was testing the rocket engine in flight for the first time in more than nine months. The plane was slung beneath WhiteKnightTwo for takeoff from the Mojave Air and Space Port at about 9:20 a.m. PT (12:20 p.m. ET). When the paired planes reached a height of about 50,000 feet, about 50 minutes later, SpaceShipTwo was released for the test.

Witt said the anomaly occurred about two minutes after SpaceShipTwo dropped away and fired the rocket engine, but he didn't see any explosion. "It wasn't because something did happen. It was what I was not hearing and not seeing," Witt said.

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Photographer Ken Brown, who was covering the test flight, told NBC News that he saw an explosion high in the air and later came upon SpaceShipTwo debris scattered across a small area of the desert. The WhiteKnightTwo plane and its pilots, meanwhile, landed safely.

Authorities cordoned off the crash site pending an investigation. A National Transportation Safety Board team was expected to get to the crash site Saturday morning. The Federal Aviation Administration said it was also investigating the incident.

Mickey said he expected that the investigation would take several days.


New kind of fuel tested

During the nine months since the previous rocket-powered test in January, Virgin Galactic switched SpaceShipTwo's fuel mixture from a rubber-based compound to a plastic-based mix — in hopes that the new formulation would boost the hybrid rocket engine's performance.

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Mickey said engines using the new type of fuel had been thoroughly tested on the ground. The final pre-flight qualification engine firing took place earlier this month. Friday's test marked the first time the new fuel was used in flight, but Mickey said "we expected no anomalies with the motor today."

Before Friday's flight, the most recent aerial outing was on Oct. 7, when SpaceShipTwo took an unpowered, gliding flight back to the Mojave runway.

The fatal flight was part of SpaceShipTwo's years-long test program, following up on the successful suborbital spaceflights of the smaller SpaceShipOne rocket plane in 2004. Virgin Galactic had said SpaceShipTwo's first test flight to an outer-space altitude — usually defined as 100 kilometers, or 62 miles — could have taken place before the end of the year.

The company's billionaire founder, Richard Branson, was hoping to ride on the first commercial flight next year. Over the past decade, he and his investment partners have put hundreds of millions of dollars into the Virgin Galactic venture. After Friday's crash, Branson said in a Twitter update that he was "flying to Mojave immediately to be with the team."

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Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo rocket plane is slung beneath the WhiteKnightTwo carrier plane before Friday's takeoff.
NBC News' Julianne Pepitone and James Eng contributed to this report. NBCUniversal has established a multi-platform partnership with Virgin Galactic to track the development of SpaceShipTwo and televise Branson's spaceflight.

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Why NASA Blew Up a Rocket Just After*Launch
A National Geographic staffer's on-scene account of the Antares rocket failure.

In a fiery nighttime explosion, an Antares rocket carrying supplies to the International Space Station exploded six seconds after launch on Tuesday.
PHOTOGRAPH BY BRAD SCRIBER, NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC

Brad Scriber
National Geographic
PUBLISHED OCTOBER 30, 2014

Every time NASA launches a rocket, two safety officers have one weighty decision: They have to decide whether to push a self-destruct button if it appears the launch is going awry.

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If they make the wrong call either way, bad things can happen. Destroy a rocket prematurely, and millions of dollars in equipment and research go up in flames unnecessarily. Allow a malfunctioning rocket to continue, and the lives of people near the launch site could be at risk.

Tuesday night, I saw what happens when they make the right call. A 139-foot-tall (43 meters) Antares rocket malfunctioned shortly after takeoff, and was destroyed in a massive explosion at the launch site after safety officers sent a kill signal. The glow from the accident was visible for miles up and down the coast, but because of the safeguards in place, no one was injured.

The flight safety officer and the range safety officer are tasked with deciding whether a rocket is operating properly and either disabling it for safety reasons or letting it proceed. There can be just seconds to decide, and there is no instant replay.

I was one of thousands of people who gathered Tuesday night near Wallops Island on Virginia's Eastern Shore to watch the unmanned Antares rocket launch. The spacecraft was loaded with scientific experiments and supplies for the International Space Station.


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For reasons still being investigated, the rocket started behaving erratically and exploded in a mountain of flame and smoke. This inferno burned across an otherwise picturesque post-sunset sky, accented high above the horizon to my right by a sliver of a crescent moon. (Read an early account of the accident.)

The explosion happened after safety officers, watching for any of ten specified problems, such as a gross deviation from the flight path, sent a signal from the flight termination system to disable the rocket, although damage from the malfunction may have already doomed it to collapse back to Earth. (Read about the ongoing investigation.)

Standing in the media viewing area, about two miles (three kilometers) from the launchpad, I was as close as anyone was allowed to be, with the exception of a few members of the launch crew.

Most of these crew members were in a hardened blockhouse near the launchpad, but two had a very special role that required them to stand out in the open.

In an age of increasingly sophisticated digital technology, the go or no-go decision is sometimes made with technology that is decidedly from the analog age.



In the early seconds of a launch, when the rocket is near the ground, there is too much interference from trees and nearby structures for radar and other monitoring systems to be accurate. So spotters watch the launch through wooden viewing frames fitted with guide wires. If the rocket crosses behind a wire, they know it's veering off track and they send up an alarm telling the safety officers to abort. Then they seek shelter.

I had come to write a benign travel story about being a space groupie at a place that is also famous for wild ponies and Chesapeake Bay oysters, so it took a few moments to realize the story had evolved. I was witnessing a disaster.

Even a successful launch produces an incredible amount of smoke and fire as the thrust pushes a 652,000-pound (296,000-kilogram) rocket out of the atmosphere. In this failed launch, fuel that was meant to burn off gradually instead exploded in a ferocious fireball.

Spirals of flame fanned out from the launchpad in all directions as the controlled burn gave way to chaos. The scene in my camera's viewfinder was utterly overwhelming.

As the overpressure pushed out from the launchpad, I could feel the explosion as well as see it. Elsewhere, the same shock wave knocked two spectators off the bed of their pickup truck and another off her dock. The blast broke windows and imploded doors in buildings close to the launch site.

We had been warned upon arrival that things can always go wrong, but at the time it had seemed like an abundance of caution, a flight attendant's speech to frequent fliers. Caution had already delayed the launch from Monday night, when a single sailboat in a restricted area caused a cancellation. On this night, there was a chance of another delay: Shifting winds meant that the crowds gathered on nearby Assateague Island had to move farther away from the flight path for safety.

It's easy to delay a rocket. A mechanical problem, weather that's just a bit off, or a 32-in-a-million chance that someone will be injured can all scrub a launch. Monday's caution had been met with disappointment and irritation since only about half of the crowd could return for the rescheduled launch.

Yes ang mor lqnd is fucked uo. Space travel etc is their forte n they lose out to a bunch of tiongs..what a bunch or crap. Launch rockets for decadew n they still fuck up. The ah neh n ah tiongs r doing well.

Russia and China are strong and capable USA sucks big time:



http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2014/10/28/3319529/commercial-supply-rocket-explodes.html

Russia delivers space station cargo after NASA rocket disaster
BY BROCK VERGAKIS AND MARCIA DUNN
Associated PressOctober 28, 2014*
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This image provided by NASA shows the Orbital Sciences Corporation Antares rocket, with the Cygnus spacecraft onboard suffers a catastrophic anomaly moments after launch from the Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport Pad 0A, Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2014, at NASA's Wallops Flight Facility in Virginia. The Cygnus spacecraft was filled with about 5,000 pounds of supplies slated for the International Space Station, including science experiments, experiment hardware, spare parts, and crew provisions. JOEL*KOWSKY*—*NASA/AP





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ATLANTIC, VA. — The company behind the dramatic launch explosion of a space station supply mission promises to find the cause of the failure and is warning residents to avoid any potentially hazardous wreckage.

Orbital Sciences Corp.’s unmanned Antares rocket blew up just moments after liftoff Tuesday evening from the Virginia coast.

Meanwhile, early Wednesday, the Russian Space Agency launched its own cargo vessel from Kazakhstan and the spacecraft arrived at the International Space Station six hours later with 3 tons of food. The smooth flight was in stark contrast to the Orbital Sciences’ failed launch, and had been planned well in advance of the accident.

The Orbital Sciences rocket was carrying a Cygnus capsule loaded with 2 1/2 tons of space station experiments and equipment for NASA. No one was injured when the rocket exploded moments after liftoff, shooting flaming debris down onto the launch area and into the ocean.

Ground crews were ready to access the fire-stricken area of NASA’s Wallops Flight Facility at daybreak Wednesday to search for accident debris.

The company’s Cygnus cargo ship was carrying 5,000 pounds of experiments and equipment for NASA, as well as prepackaged meals and, in a generous touch, freeze-dried Maryland crabcakes for a Baltimore-born astronaut who’s been in orbit for five months.

All of the lost materials will be replaced and flown to the 260-mile-high space station, NASA’s station program manager Mike Suffredini said. The six-person space station crew has enough supplies to last well into spring.

The accident is sure to draw scrutiny to the space agency’s growing reliance on private U.S. companies in the post-shuttle era. NASA is paying billions of dollars to Virginia-based Orbital Sciences and the California-based SpaceX company to make station deliveries, and it’s counting on SpaceX and Boeing to start flying U.S. astronauts to the orbiting lab as early as 2017.



It was the fourth Cygnus bound for the orbiting lab; the first flew just over a year ago. SpaceX is scheduled to launch another Dragon supply ship from Cape Canaveral, Florida, in December.

“Today’s launch attempt will not deter us from our work to expand our already successful capability to launch cargo from American shores to the International Space Station,” NASA’s human exploration chief, Bill Gerstenmaier, said in a statement following the accident.

Until Tuesday, all of the supply missions by Orbital Sciences and SpaceX had been near-flawless.

President Barack Obama has long championed this commercial space effort. He was in Wisconsin for a campaign rally and was kept informed.

Orbital Sciences’ executive vice president Frank Culbertson said the company carried insurance on the mission, which he valued at more than $200 million, not counting repair costs. The explosion hit Orbital Science’s stock, which fell more than 15 percent in after-hours trading.

John Logsdon, former space policy director at George Washington University, said the explosion was unlikely to be a major setback to NASA’s commercial space plans. But he noted it could derail Orbital Sciences for a while given the company has just one launch pad and the accident occurred right above it.

At a news conference Tuesday night, Culbertson and others said everyone at the launch site had been accounted for and the damage appeared to be limited to the facilities.

He noted that the cargo module was carrying hazardous materials and warned residents to avoid any contact with debris.

“Certainly don’t go souvenir hunting along the beach,” he said.

Things began to go wrong 10 to 12 seconds into the flight and it was all over in 20 seconds when what was left of the rocket came crashing down, Culbertson said. He said he believes the range-safety staff sent a destruct signal before it hit the ground, but was not certain.

This was the second launch attempt for the mission. Monday evening’s try was thwarted by a stray sailboat in the rocket’s danger zone. The restrictions are in case of just such an accident that occurred Tuesday.



Culbertson said the top priority will be repairing the launch pad “as quickly and safely as possible.”

“We will not fly until we understand the root cause,” he said, adding that it was too early to guess how long it might take to make the rocket repairs and fix the launch pad. It will take a few weeks, alone, to assess the damage and extent of potential repairs.

Culbertson also stressed that it was too soon to know whether the Russian-built engines, modified for the Antares and extensively tested, were to blame.

“We will understand what happened – hopefully soon – and we'll get things back on track,” Culbertson assured his devastated team. “We’ve all seen this happen in our business before, and we’ve all seen the teams recover from this, and we will do the same.”

The Wallops facility is small compared to NASA’s major centers like those in Florida, Texas and California, but vaulted into the public spotlight in September 2013 with a NASA moonshot and the first Cygnus launch to the space station.

Michelle Murphy, an innkeeper at the Garden and Sea Inn, New Church, Virginia, where launches are visible across a bay about 16 miles away, saw the explosion.

“It was scary. Everything rattled,” she said. “There were two explosions. The first one we were ready for. The second one we weren’t. It shook the inn, like an earthquake. It was extremely intense.”

Among the instruments that were lost from the cargo module: a meteor tracker and 32 mini research satellites, along with numerous experiments compiled by schoolchildren.

The two Americans, three Russians and one German on the orbiting space station were watching a live video feed from Mission Control and saw the whole thing unfold, Suffredini said.

Dunn reported from Cape Canaveral, Florida. AP Science Writer Seth Borenstein in Washington and Associated Press Writer Alex Sanz in Atlanta contributed to this report.

Virgin Atlantic is a private company owned by Richard Brandson but PAP IB clowns will use any mishaps by angmoh countries, specifically enemies of Russia and China for their agenda while China and Russia are unable to come up with one.

ChinaSux said:

Virgin Atlantic is a private company owned by Richard Brandson but PAP IB clowns will use any mishaps by angmoh countries, specifically enemies of Russia and China for their agenda while China and Russia are unable to come up with one.

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apart from virgin, the other 2 uses recycled russian rocket engines coming from a single source in usa.

ChinaSux said:

Virgin Atlantic is a private company owned by Richard Brandson but PAP IB clowns will use any mishaps by angmoh countries, specifically enemies of Russia and China for their agenda while China and Russia are unable to come up with one.

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It can not be any more obvious who will win / lose next major war for world power and resources.

If PRC allows their private companies to do space projects they will also out perform Ang Mohs period.


PATHETIC n CHILDISH to blindly brand any one screws your interest as PAP IB.

SeeFartLoong said:

It can not be any more obvious who will win / lose next major war for world power and resources.

If PRC allows their private companies to do space projects they will also out perform Ang Mohs period.

PATHETIC n CHILDISH to blindly brand any one screws your interest as PAP IB.

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Its 40 years late and the americans have already landed a rover on Mars. You are comparing a Chinese government project with one from a private investor who is trying to make is cheap for all to get there. Don't you think the starting points are so far apart?

Cerebral said:

Its 40 years late and the americans have already landed a rover on Mars. You are comparing a Chinese government project with one from a private investor who is trying to make is cheap for all to get there. Don't you think the starting points are so far apart?

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Take a look at the exploded.NASA rocket i posted no need to struggle and argue.

ChinaSux said:

Virgin Atlantic is a private company owned by Richard Brandson but PAP IB clowns will use any mishaps by angmoh countries, specifically enemies of Russia and China for their agenda while China and Russia are unable to come up with one.

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I am telling you and you be very sure that it isn't just the weak chicken PAP in the picture about who you have to fight with to your sweat dreams.

After the lame ass bastard PAP comes down you surely face many more tougher and stronger enemies worse than PAP in your terms. That includes but surely not limited to just me. Don't imagine that fights will be limited just eithin civilized domains. I also want the PAP to get destroyed brfore I can get to the rest of transactions.

Pssst! Angmos already landed on the moon during the late 60s!!

sochi2014 said:

Pssst! Angmos already landed on the moon during the late 60s!!

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So WHAT?

They also used to have worldwide controls to countless clonies including SG. They also used to chain Obama's grandpa and whipped his ass and autioned him as slave.

GONE are these sweet old days. Now Ang Moh are ruled by nigger slave grandson.

FOREVER GONE!

Not coming back.

Ang Mohs are just beggars and losers and FAILURES from now on.

Got it?

NASA fucked away all their spaceshuttles now can not afford to replace nor rebuild any.

Their own rocket programs lacks too much funds to sustain. Counting on Russians Japs and private commercial rockets to sustain.

The final resources they have left they struggle to concerntrate on tiny narrow areas to explore area that practical competitors are uninterested. Mars n astroids!


This NASA strategy is ironically identical with Ah NEHs!



The useful earth orbits will be soon dominated by Chinese and Russian.

SeeFartLoong said:

Take a look at the exploded.NASA rocket i posted no need to struggle and argue.

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There are many rockets that have exploded int eh past before they even managed to land it. If your argument is based solely on an exploded rocket that US is down, then you are clearly deluded. It took them an exploded rocket to notice the error of calculations between metric and imperial.

Being the first to do it means that you have to face issues not faced before and there will be multiple errors. However, to discount US, just because of 1 landing on the moon is pure delusion. US is still many years ahead, technologically, and China still needs many decades. If they are so advanced, China would not have needed to steal tech secrets from US defence companies.

I think China's achievement is commendable, but we should call a spade, a spade.

SeeFartLoong said:

NASA fucked away all their spaceshuttles now can not afford to replace nor rebuild any.

Their own rocket programs lacks too much funds to sustain. Counting on Russians Japs and private commercial rockets to sustain.

The final resources they have left they struggle to concerntrate on tiny narrow areas to explore area that practical competitors are uninterested.

This NASA strategy is ironically identical with Ah NEHs!

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They are focusing on Mars and focusing their money there since there was a budget cut. They are relying on the Russians to supply the space station. Its different thing.

Cerebral said:

There are many rockets that have exploded int eh past before they even managed to land it. If your argument is based solely on an exploded rocket that US is down, then you are clearly deluded. It took them an exploded rocket to notice the error of calculations between metric and imperial.

Being the first to do it means that you have to face issues not faced before and there will be multiple errors. However, to discount US, just because of 1 landing on the moon is pure delusion. US is still many years ahead, technologically, and China still needs many decades. If they are so advanced, China would not have needed to steal tech secrets from US defence companies.

I think China's achievement is commendable, but we should call a spade, a spade.

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Cerebral said:

There are many rockets that have exploded int eh past before they even managed to land it. If your argument is based solely on an exploded rocket that US is down, then you are clearly deluded. It took them an exploded rocket to notice the error of calculations between metric and imperial.

Being the first to do it means that you have to face issues not faced before and there will be multiple errors. However, to discount US, just because of 1 landing on the moon is pure delusion. US is still many years ahead, technologically, and China still needs many decades. If they are so advanced, China would not have needed to steal tech secrets from US defence companies.

I think China's achievement is commendable, but we should call a spade, a spade.

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if US is so technologically advanced why cant they even prevent a simple explosion when its already the 21st century?this is not a minor failure,this is a critical error.how are they going to perfect space travel if they cant stop the damn thing from exploding every other time they launch something.

SeeFartLoong said:

NASA fucked away all their spaceshuttles now can not afford to replace nor rebuild any.

Their own rocket programs lacks too much funds to sustain. Counting on Russians Japs and private commercial rockets to sustain.

The final resources they have left they struggle to concerntrate on tiny narrow areas to explore area that practical competitors are uninterested.


This NASA strategy is ironically identical with Ah NEHs!

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the space shuttle programme is not just a billion $$ venture. it is a legacy... built on selected the combined knowledges of selected scientists who has since retired, handed IC and a vacumm of knowledge with no succession. there is nothing to decry. the consequtive death of subsequence shuttles left a serious question mark on the ability for anyone left to understand how it worked and how to keep it going.

the base rocket design is the simplest form for most engineers to rebuild, construct and sustain. note the difference between scientists and engineers. national projects like future space programme are likely to be recipient of private enterprise. the very base NASA is now trying to develop a headstart.

this re-entry vehicle programme however does not disrupt other space programme and key develop where robotics will take the lead in mining, etc.