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Has Singapore's property bubble already burst?

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Has Singapore's property bubble already burst?
By Leslie Shaffer | Writer for CNBC.com | CNBC – 13 hours ago
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Despite dire predictions of sharp drops, Singapore's property prices don't seem to have budged much, but statistics may mask a market already in deep decline.
The official price index data appear largely benign, down just 0.7 percent in the third quarter, for a cumulative decline of less than 4 percent from the peak in 2012.
Read More Slump in Singapore prime property worst globally
But that's the wrong price data to look at, said Alex Shlaen, a property investor and CEO of Panache Management, a luxury brand manager.
The price index rolls in prices across various classes of properties, including the mass-market segment, more geared toward end-users, with luxury properties, where investors appear to be turning up their nose at higher prices.
While many analysts cite property price gains from 2009 when the index hit its financial crisis nadir, Shlaen believes the high-end never really recovered after hitting a pre-financial crisis peak in 2008.
"2009 was a cardiac arrest. If you compare the high-end property prices of 2007 with now, the market is substantially down," he said, estimating luxury property prices are off 30-50 percent from their peak.
Read More Is Singapore driving away property investors?
It's not a view entirely borne out by median prices in Singapore's "core central region," where many of the city-state's luxury properties are located. The median price for uncompleted properties in the area peaked at 18,369 Singapore dollars ($14,691) per square meter (psm) in the first quarter of 2008, a level it hasn't retested, compared with the median price of 16,149 Singapore dollars psm in the third quarter of this year.
But overall, median prices for both completed and uncompleted properties in the area peaked at 15,461 Singapore dollars psm in the first quarter of 2008, touched a nadir of 11,161 Singapore dollars psm in 2009, before hitting a high of 16,629 Singapore dollars psm last year. In the third quarter of this year, the median was 15,679 Singapore dollars psm.
But Shlaen cited one of his properties in the Cairnhill area, noting the bank valued the property at around 5.3 million Singapore dollars ($4.24 million) at the end of 2007, compared with another valuation of around 4.3 million Singapore dollars this month, although he doesn't believe he'd get that much if he sold.
One problem with looking at the sales prices to determine the health of Singapore's luxury market is that not many sales are coming through. In the third quarter of this year, the total number of units sold dropped by 43 percent on-quarter to the lowest since the fourth quarter of 2008.
Read More Cooling property prices provide relief for Singapore banks
Inquiries about buying Singapore property have dropped by as much as 70 percent from high-net-worth clients, said Chandran V.R., managing director at property agent CRE.
While long-term investors are interested, "sellers are not budging," he said. While developers are offering freebees and discounts, "the top-tier sellers are all holding back in the core central region."
But while Chandran noted that outside the central region, sellers without holding power may be dumping, it isn't certain the standoff between bargain-hunting buyers and hold-out sellers is going to be resolved in buyers' favor.
"You're hitting rocks already on how much prices can go down without going into negative margins" for developers, said Alan Cheong, senior director for Singapore at Savills Research. While developers may take paper write-downs, "they aren't willing to lose money on a project," he said.
Read More Singapore's property market in a standoff
Cheong blames all the dire predictions that the city-state's property prices will fall by as much as 20 percent for the logjam, adding the predictions aren't realistic.
"It's not like a stock price. These are hard assets. These are not liquid assets like equities," he said. Cheong expects demand to return next year as buyers watch their savings build up, increasing affordability, even as prices remain stable.
"They will lose patience [waiting for price declines] and reenter the market," he said.
-By CNBC.Com's Leslie Shaffer; Follow her on Twitter @LeslieShaffer1

https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/singapores-property-bubble-already-burst-231520903.html
 

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The bubble has not burst until property prices go down by at least 50 percent.

my take is simple.....unless and until those dumbfucks at lakeside/lakeview or whatever cockanathan 99 yr "near the mrt" suburban (read as in the middle of no fucking where) projects have crashed to 900 psf....or else dont bother.....


it not even worthy as investment property anyway with the fucking rentals yields so poor,.....

as long as the fucking pp stays in power their one other trick is to open more casinos which only spells for a more fucked up future for this country,..........

in the meanwhile just fucking pray that the US economy stays zombiefied because the minute it fucking recovers there will be so much blood on the streets...


hhahahah I'm getting my popcorn ready when it does....
 

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Netherlands has its Holland Casinos all over ...sinkapore will have the PAP Casinos in the heartlands. PAP needs the money.
 

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my take is simple.....unless and until those dumbfucks at lakeside/lakeview or whatever cockanathan 99 yr "near the mrt" suburban (read as in the middle of no fucking where) projects have crashed to 900 psf....or else dont bother.....

Actually, 900 psf for a condo somewhere in jurong, albeit a 5 mins walk from MRT, is retarded. Let's face it, it's willing buyer, willing seller, and the sellers, or should I say, developers, have deep pockets lined from the bullish market the past couple years. It make sense if they purchase the land at a high price, as they will always pass this cost to the consumer. Furthermore, with the properties appreciating markedly, it was possible to sell a property at an even higher premium as the prices rose during the construction, and obviously, the developers will help themselves to more profits. Essentially, the buyer is not getting fair value for his dollar, but he is held hostage by the prices in the area, which is obviously propped up by the spanking new development nearby that charges a record price psf.

That has changed a little, as sales have really tanked, but developers, and to a lesser extent, other sellers, are still holding out in terms of price as the economy is doing pretty ok. It is interesting to note that some developers are already offloading their properties at a discount. Do expect to see alot more of that when the shit hits the fan.

LHL can damn well prop up Singapore with foreign labour and strengthening the Singapore dollar, but let's recognise that these are not long term solutions to our problems, as it is only a matter of time before these solutions will no longer be effective. A special mention to Mr Khaw in doing his part in trying to head away the property market crash, by pointing out because the recent bto application rate have dropped to 2.4 from 25.9, they will rollout less HDB in 2015. He has conveniently left out that this year, HDB have been aggressively offloading units in Bukit Panjang, Teban Gardens, Sembawang and whichever forested area you can think of. The last BTO let me see the locations, Bukit Batok, Whampoa, Yuan Ho(Teban Gardens) and Buangkok(directly opposite Buangkok Medical Center, sounds good lei, got hospital near you, till you realise there is only 1 type of hospital in Buangkok, it's called a mental hospital). Judging from the quality of their offerings, it's not surprising the take up rate is so low these days.

Lastly, I would like to point out the reasoning for the need to reduce construction when the built to order scheme will ensure sufficient demand as tender for construction will be called only when most of the apartments in a specific contract 65~70% or more have been booked, otherwise, the project will be aborted. Lest we forget, let's remind Mr Khaw that 2.4 applicants means for every ten flats he build, there are another 14 couples still waiting. Although a vast improvement from 259 couples waiting for his ten flats, it is unacceptable that couples are still unable to get flats, considering that they have to wait up to four years for the flat to be built.
 

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my take is simple.....unless and until those dumbfucks at lakeside/lakeview or whatever cockanathan 99 yr "near the mrt" suburban (read as in the middle of no fucking where) projects have crashed to 900 psf....or else dont bother.....


it not even worthy as investment property anyway with the fucking rentals yields so poor,.....

as long as the fucking pp stays in power their one other trick is to open more casinos which only spells for a more fucked up future for this country,..........

in the meanwhile just fucking pray that the US economy stays zombiefied because the minute it fucking recovers there will be so much blood on the streets...


hhahahah I'm getting my popcorn ready when it does....

If US recover and interest rates go up many people here will cry and be forced to let go their properties. A lot of repo and even the banks will suffer.
 

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If US recover and interest rates go up many people here will cry and be forced to let go their properties. A lot of repo and even the banks will suffer.

Not that sereve. Rental rate above 3% and interest rate now about less than 2%. Many rich in sg, they can afford to hold or buy up even if rates go up another 1-3%. Only thing will cause death is sg economy worsens and people lose jobs. Till then, dream on!
 

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Not that sereve. Rental rate above 3% and interest rate now about less than 2%. Many rich in sg, they can afford to hold or buy up even if rates go up another 1-3%. Only thing will cause death is sg economy worsens and people lose jobs. Till then, dream on!

all this talk ab0ut death of the economy is depressing. we should seek a new begining
 

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There are still a lot of greedy and over levered fuckers out there.........


May the streets run red with their greedy blood.......
 

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If US recover and interest rates go up many people here will cry and be forced to let go their properties. A lot of repo and even the banks will suffer.

You got to be joking right, when they repo, the bank almost certainly gets back the sum lent + interest already earned (+ maybe even a penalty for breaking the contract). Once the property market drop to a point when there are some whose property is worth less than the loan they took, alot of people will be fucked when the banks ask them to top up.
 

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I am Kong Hee Fatt Choy, the property bubble burst or not burst who care! I didn't pay thru my nose, the money come from those twists.

I am Andy, the property bubble burst or not burst who care! I didn't pay thru my nose, the money come from those twists - mediacock artists. my wife and daughter I snapped from someone.

Has Singapore's property bubble already burst?
By Leslie Shaffer | Writer for CNBC.com | CNBC – 13 hours ago
Share8
Print
RELATED CONTENT
Roslan Rahman | AFP | Getty ImagesView Photo
Roslan Rahman | AFP | Getty Images
Despite dire predictions of sharp drops, Singapore's property prices don't seem to have budged much, but statistics may mask a market already in deep decline.
The official price index data appear largely benign, down just 0.7 percent in the third quarter, for a cumulative decline of less than 4 percent from the peak in 2012.
Read More Slump in Singapore prime property worst globally
But that's the wrong price data to look at, said Alex Shlaen, a property investor and CEO of Panache Management, a luxury brand manager.
The price index rolls in prices across various classes of properties, including the mass-market segment, more geared toward end-users, with luxury properties, where investors appear to be turning up their nose at higher prices.
While many analysts cite property price gains from 2009 when the index hit its financial crisis nadir, Shlaen believes the high-end never really recovered after hitting a pre-financial crisis peak in 2008.
"2009 was a cardiac arrest. If you compare the high-end property prices of 2007 with now, the market is substantially down," he said, estimating luxury property prices are off 30-50 percent from their peak.
Read More Is Singapore driving away property investors?
It's not a view entirely borne out by median prices in Singapore's "core central region," where many of the city-state's luxury properties are located. The median price for uncompleted properties in the area peaked at 18,369 Singapore dollars ($14,691) per square meter (psm) in the first quarter of 2008, a level it hasn't retested, compared with the median price of 16,149 Singapore dollars psm in the third quarter of this year.
But overall, median prices for both completed and uncompleted properties in the area peaked at 15,461 Singapore dollars psm in the first quarter of 2008, touched a nadir of 11,161 Singapore dollars psm in 2009, before hitting a high of 16,629 Singapore dollars psm last year. In the third quarter of this year, the median was 15,679 Singapore dollars psm.
But Shlaen cited one of his properties in the Cairnhill area, noting the bank valued the property at around 5.3 million Singapore dollars ($4.24 million) at the end of 2007, compared with another valuation of around 4.3 million Singapore dollars this month, although he doesn't believe he'd get that much if he sold.
One problem with looking at the sales prices to determine the health of Singapore's luxury market is that not many sales are coming through. In the third quarter of this year, the total number of units sold dropped by 43 percent on-quarter to the lowest since the fourth quarter of 2008.
Read More Cooling property prices provide relief for Singapore banks
Inquiries about buying Singapore property have dropped by as much as 70 percent from high-net-worth clients, said Chandran V.R., managing director at property agent CRE.
While long-term investors are interested, "sellers are not budging," he said. While developers are offering freebees and discounts, "the top-tier sellers are all holding back in the core central region."
But while Chandran noted that outside the central region, sellers without holding power may be dumping, it isn't certain the standoff between bargain-hunting buyers and hold-out sellers is going to be resolved in buyers' favor.
"You're hitting rocks already on how much prices can go down without going into negative margins" for developers, said Alan Cheong, senior director for Singapore at Savills Research. While developers may take paper write-downs, "they aren't willing to lose money on a project," he said.
Read More Singapore's property market in a standoff
Cheong blames all the dire predictions that the city-state's property prices will fall by as much as 20 percent for the logjam, adding the predictions aren't realistic.
"It's not like a stock price. These are hard assets. These are not liquid assets like equities," he said. Cheong expects demand to return next year as buyers watch their savings build up, increasing affordability, even as prices remain stable.
"They will lose patience [waiting for price declines] and reenter the market," he said.
-By CNBC.Com's Leslie Shaffer; Follow her on Twitter @LeslieShaffer1

https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/singapores-property-bubble-already-burst-231520903.html
 

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You got to be joking right, when they repo, the bank almost certainly gets back the sum lent + interest already earned (+ maybe even a penalty for breaking the contract). Once the property market drop to a point when there are some whose property is worth less than the loan they took, alot of people will be fucked when the banks ask them to top up.

The banks can lose money if the property prices fall is sustained. When the market falls and the mortgagee cannot make the monthly loan payments then after some time the banks would have to take possession of the property and eventually auction it off. In a falling market the bank may not recover the amount loaned because during such times the initial reserve price may not be met and they would have to just sell it to the highest bidder.
 

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Not that sereve. Rental rate above 3% and interest rate now about less than 2%. Many rich in sg, they can afford to hold or buy up even if rates go up another 1-3%. Only thing will cause death is sg economy worsens and people lose jobs. Till then, dream on!

Yes the cost of borrowing is low at the moment but I think 3% may not be 3% after deducting for loan repayments, sinking fund, tax and later on doing some maintenance of your unit. I am not a landlord so I dont exactly know but I think the yield is less than 3% unless renting out HDB unit.
 

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well, still can find tenant, but you have to lower your rent. as for the property price. i know most singaporean are rich, as long as interest rate not surge, price will not drop significant. at most, transaction drops.
 
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