60% don't fear him. 60% fear the idea that his high-handed and oppressive tactics might have been passed down to the next generation of PAP leaders.
However one look at his clueless son who lacks leadership and mettle tells us otherwise.
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"I Rather Be Feared Than Be Loved"
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60% don't fear him. 60% fear the idea that his high-handed and oppressive tactics might have been passed down to the next generation of PAP leaders.
However one look at his clueless son who lacks leadership and mettle tells us otherwise.
Wtf is this?
Why do u keep on spamming this?
Also why do u include laksaboy a forummer that quoted those 2 bigwigs together with them as if he actually said those words?
So Tracy, after you're done with the fishing this list will be submitted to ISD?
This is not true. A dog is far better than him.
maybe you don't care. but many do
Those who used to fear him before can see that LKY is now so helpless. He cant even walk and feed himself. They fear him no more. It goes to show how silly LKY was to think that he can control people through fear
it made him weak
very true...
This is not spamming. It is adding new descriptions of LKY to the list...known as updating the list
let us update the list and see how people describe LKY
perhaps. Unlike LKY, a dog doesn't need money to be loyal to his friends
AS MUCH AS THE FOUNDERS OF REPUBLICS AND KINGDOMS ARE LAUDABLE, SO MUCH ARE THOSE OF A TYRANNY SHAMEFUL
(Chapter X of First Book of the Discourse)
Can I volunteer to be the one to read this extract
From Book 2 to the Old Fart on his deathbed
Will make me very happy and on top of the world
Left to my own devices I surely will be psychopath
Among all men who have been praised, the most lauded are those who are heads and establishers of Religion. Next after them are those who have founded Republics or Kingdoms. After these are celebrated those who have commanded armies, and who have enlarged the territory of their Kingdom of those of their country. To these should be added men of letters, and because these are of many fields, they are celebrated according to their degree of excellence. To other men, the number of whom is infinite, some degree of praise is given to them as pertain to their art and profession.
On the other hand, those men are infamous and destroyers of Religion, dissipators of Kingdoms and Republics, enemies of virtu, of letters, and of every other art which brings usefulness and honor to mankind, such as are the impious and violent, the ignorant, the idle, the vile and degraded. And no one will ever be so mad or so wise, so wicked or so good, that selecting between these two kinds of men, does not laud what is laudable, and censure what is censurable.
None the less, however, nearly all men deceived by a false good or a false glory allow themselves to drift either voluntarily or ignorantly into the ranks of those who merit more censure that praise. And being able to establish either a Kingdom or a Republic with eternal honor to themselves, they turn to Tyranny, nor do they see because of this action how much fame, how much glory, how much honor, security, and tranquil satisfaction of the mind, they lose; and how much infamy, disgrace, censure, danger, and disquiet, they incur. And it is impossible that those who live as private individuals in a Republic, or who by fortune or virtu become Princes, if they read the history and the records of ancient events, would do well living as private citizens in their country to live rather as a Scipio than a Caesar; and those who are Princes, rather as Agesilaus, Timoleon, and Dion, than as Nabis, Phalaris, and Dionysius, because they will see the latter to be thoroughly disgraced and the former most highly praised.
They will also see that Timoleon and the others had no less authority in their country than had Dionysius and Phalaris, but they will see that they had had greater security for a longer time. Nor is there anyone who deceives himself by the glory of Caesar, he being especially celebrated by writers, for those who praised him were corrupted by his fortune and frightened by the long duration of the Empire which, ruling under his name did not permit that writers should talk of him freely. But whoever wants to know what the writers would have said of him freely, let him observe what they say of Cataline. And so much more is Caesar to be detested, as how much more is he to be censured for that which he did, than he who (just) intends to do evil. He will also see how Brutus was extolled with so many praises; so that not being able to censure Caesar because of his power they extolled his enemy. [JBJ, Chiam, Chee, and various other personalities]
Let he who has become a Prince in a Republic also consider how much more praise those Emperors merited who, after Rome became an Empire, lived under the laws and as good Princes, than those who lived an in a contrary manner; and he will also see that it was not necessary for the praetorian soldiers or the multitudes of the legions to defend Titus, Nerva, Trajan, Hadrai Trajan, Hadrian, Antoninus, and Marcus Aurelius, because their customs, the good will of the people, and the love of the Senate would defend them.
He will also see that the Eastern and Western armies were not sufficient to save Caligula, Nero, Vitellius, and so many other wicked emperors, from those enemies which their bad customs and evil lives had raised up against them. And if the history of those men should be well considered, it would be very instructive to any Prince in pointing out to him the way to glory or censure, to security or fear. For of the twenty-six who were Emperors from Caesar to Maximinius, sixteen were murdered. Ten died in a natural way; and if among those who were murdered there may have been some good men, such as Galba and Pertinax, they were killed by that corruption that his predecessors had left among the soldiers. And if among those who died in a natural way there were some wicked, such as Severns, it resulted from their very great good fortune and virtu, which two things are found together in few men. He will also learn from this lesson of history how a good Kingdom can be organized, for all, except Titus, were bad and those who succeeded by adoption were all good, such as were those five from Nero to Marcus Aurelius. And when the Empire became hereditary, it came to ruin.
Let a Prince therefore place himself in the times of Nero and Marcus, and let him compare them with those which preceded and followed that period and afterward let him select in which of the two he would want to be born and in which he would want to reign. For in those times governed by good Emperors, he will see a Prince secure in the midst of secure citizens, he will see the world full of peace and justice, he will see the Senate with its authority, the Magistrates with their honor, rich citizens enjoying their wealth, nobility and virtu exalted, he will see every quiet and good; and on the other hand he will see every rancor, every license, corruption, and ambition extinct; he will see that golden era where everyone can hold and defend whatever opinion he wishes: In the end, he will see the triumph of the world, the Prince full of reverence and glory, the people full of love and security.
Then if he will consider the sorrowful times of the other Emperors, he will see the atrocities from war, discords from seditions, cruelty in peace and war, so many Princes slain by the sword, so many civil wars, so many foreign wars, Italy afflicted and full of new misfortunes, her Cities ruined and sacked: He will see Rome burned, the Capitol of its citizens destroyed, the ancient temples desolate, ceremonies corrupted, the City full of adulterers: he will see the sea full of exiles, the shores full of blood. He will see innumerable cruelties take place in Rome, and nobility, riches, honors, and above all virtu, accounted capital crimes. He will see informers rewarded, servants corrupted against the masters, freemen against their patrons, and those who should lack enemies, oppressed by friends. And he will also recognize very well what obligations Rome, Italy, and the world owed to Caesar. And without doubt if he was born of man, he would be dismayed at every imitation of those evil times, and burning with an immense desire to follow the good.
And truly, a Prince seeking the glory of the world ought to desire to possess a corrupt City, not to spoil it entirely like Caesar, but to reorganize it like Romulus. And truly the heavens cannot give man a greater opportunity for glory, nor could man desire a better one. And if to want to organize a City well, it should be necessary to abolish the Principate, he who had failed to give her good laws should merit some excuse. But he does not merit any excuse who can hold the Principate and organize it. And in sum, let he to whom the heavens gives the opportunity consider that there are two ways: The one which will make him live securely and render him glorious after his death, the other which will make him live in continual anxiety and after death leave of himself an eternal infamy.
(Chapter X of First Book of the Discourse)
Can I volunteer to be the one to read this extract
From Book 2 to the Old Fart on his deathbed
Will make me very happy and on top of the world
Left to my own devices I surely will be psychopath
Among all men who have been praised, the most lauded are those who are heads and establishers of Religion. Next after them are those who have founded Republics or Kingdoms. After these are celebrated those who have commanded armies, and who have enlarged the territory of their Kingdom of those of their country. To these should be added men of letters, and because these are of many fields, they are celebrated according to their degree of excellence. To other men, the number of whom is infinite, some degree of praise is given to them as pertain to their art and profession.
On the other hand, those men are infamous and destroyers of Religion, dissipators of Kingdoms and Republics, enemies of virtu, of letters, and of every other art which brings usefulness and honor to mankind, such as are the impious and violent, the ignorant, the idle, the vile and degraded. And no one will ever be so mad or so wise, so wicked or so good, that selecting between these two kinds of men, does not laud what is laudable, and censure what is censurable.
None the less, however, nearly all men deceived by a false good or a false glory allow themselves to drift either voluntarily or ignorantly into the ranks of those who merit more censure that praise. And being able to establish either a Kingdom or a Republic with eternal honor to themselves, they turn to Tyranny, nor do they see because of this action how much fame, how much glory, how much honor, security, and tranquil satisfaction of the mind, they lose; and how much infamy, disgrace, censure, danger, and disquiet, they incur. And it is impossible that those who live as private individuals in a Republic, or who by fortune or virtu become Princes, if they read the history and the records of ancient events, would do well living as private citizens in their country to live rather as a Scipio than a Caesar; and those who are Princes, rather as Agesilaus, Timoleon, and Dion, than as Nabis, Phalaris, and Dionysius, because they will see the latter to be thoroughly disgraced and the former most highly praised.
They will also see that Timoleon and the others had no less authority in their country than had Dionysius and Phalaris, but they will see that they had had greater security for a longer time. Nor is there anyone who deceives himself by the glory of Caesar, he being especially celebrated by writers, for those who praised him were corrupted by his fortune and frightened by the long duration of the Empire which, ruling under his name did not permit that writers should talk of him freely. But whoever wants to know what the writers would have said of him freely, let him observe what they say of Cataline. And so much more is Caesar to be detested, as how much more is he to be censured for that which he did, than he who (just) intends to do evil. He will also see how Brutus was extolled with so many praises; so that not being able to censure Caesar because of his power they extolled his enemy. [JBJ, Chiam, Chee, and various other personalities]
Let he who has become a Prince in a Republic also consider how much more praise those Emperors merited who, after Rome became an Empire, lived under the laws and as good Princes, than those who lived an in a contrary manner; and he will also see that it was not necessary for the praetorian soldiers or the multitudes of the legions to defend Titus, Nerva, Trajan, Hadrai Trajan, Hadrian, Antoninus, and Marcus Aurelius, because their customs, the good will of the people, and the love of the Senate would defend them.
He will also see that the Eastern and Western armies were not sufficient to save Caligula, Nero, Vitellius, and so many other wicked emperors, from those enemies which their bad customs and evil lives had raised up against them. And if the history of those men should be well considered, it would be very instructive to any Prince in pointing out to him the way to glory or censure, to security or fear. For of the twenty-six who were Emperors from Caesar to Maximinius, sixteen were murdered. Ten died in a natural way; and if among those who were murdered there may have been some good men, such as Galba and Pertinax, they were killed by that corruption that his predecessors had left among the soldiers. And if among those who died in a natural way there were some wicked, such as Severns, it resulted from their very great good fortune and virtu, which two things are found together in few men. He will also learn from this lesson of history how a good Kingdom can be organized, for all, except Titus, were bad and those who succeeded by adoption were all good, such as were those five from Nero to Marcus Aurelius. And when the Empire became hereditary, it came to ruin.
Let a Prince therefore place himself in the times of Nero and Marcus, and let him compare them with those which preceded and followed that period and afterward let him select in which of the two he would want to be born and in which he would want to reign. For in those times governed by good Emperors, he will see a Prince secure in the midst of secure citizens, he will see the world full of peace and justice, he will see the Senate with its authority, the Magistrates with their honor, rich citizens enjoying their wealth, nobility and virtu exalted, he will see every quiet and good; and on the other hand he will see every rancor, every license, corruption, and ambition extinct; he will see that golden era where everyone can hold and defend whatever opinion he wishes: In the end, he will see the triumph of the world, the Prince full of reverence and glory, the people full of love and security.
Then if he will consider the sorrowful times of the other Emperors, he will see the atrocities from war, discords from seditions, cruelty in peace and war, so many Princes slain by the sword, so many civil wars, so many foreign wars, Italy afflicted and full of new misfortunes, her Cities ruined and sacked: He will see Rome burned, the Capitol of its citizens destroyed, the ancient temples desolate, ceremonies corrupted, the City full of adulterers: he will see the sea full of exiles, the shores full of blood. He will see innumerable cruelties take place in Rome, and nobility, riches, honors, and above all virtu, accounted capital crimes. He will see informers rewarded, servants corrupted against the masters, freemen against their patrons, and those who should lack enemies, oppressed by friends. And he will also recognize very well what obligations Rome, Italy, and the world owed to Caesar. And without doubt if he was born of man, he would be dismayed at every imitation of those evil times, and burning with an immense desire to follow the good.
And truly, a Prince seeking the glory of the world ought to desire to possess a corrupt City, not to spoil it entirely like Caesar, but to reorganize it like Romulus. And truly the heavens cannot give man a greater opportunity for glory, nor could man desire a better one. And if to want to organize a City well, it should be necessary to abolish the Principate, he who had failed to give her good laws should merit some excuse. But he does not merit any excuse who can hold the Principate and organize it. And in sum, let he to whom the heavens gives the opportunity consider that there are two ways: The one which will make him live securely and render him glorious after his death, the other which will make him live in continual anxiety and after death leave of himself an eternal infamy.
Thank you for the article.
Many rulers eg Marcos, Suharto, etc were charged for abuses of power and corruption after they lost power. That's why many evil rulers want to make sure that their successors are their own kind so that they will not be hunted nor have to flee. Will LKY and the Lee family fall into these categories after the pap has been voted out?
Is that why the pap rather SG crumbles and fail than see it prosper under an Alternative Party?
I hope the Alternative Govt which takes over from the pap will do a thorough job and go for any skeleton in pap's cupboard. Let Singaporeans go for those leeaders who had abused their political Office for illegal personal gains and close this dark chapter in SG's history
Is that why the pap wants to make sure SG has all kinds of problems eg too many bad immigrants, inadequate infrastructure, gross unequal income distribution, too m any foreigners, too crowded SG, social problems, lawlessness, unemployment, etc before it loses power so that the Alternative Govt is overwhelmed when it takes over power?
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The essence of Brutus' speech in plain modern English:
Would you rather that Caesar were living and we would all go to our graves as slaves, or that Caesar were dead and we all lived as free men? I weep for Caesar in that he was good to me. I rejoice in his good fortune. I honor him for being brave. But his ambition—for that, I killed him. There are tears for his love, joy for his fortune, honor for his bravery, and death for his ambition. Who here is so low that he wants to be a slave? If there are any, speak, for it is he whom I’ve offended. Who here is so barbarous that he doesn’t want to be a Roman? If there are any, speak, for it is he whom I’ve offended. Who here is so vile that he doesn’t love his country? If there are any, speak, for it is he whom I have offended. I will pause for a reply.
[video=youtube;wM6X-8dokRE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM6X-8dokRE[/video]
That I agree
Caesar was a great man. Cant say that of LKY
Lau chee bye is a great dictator, great bully and a great manipulator
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