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Lost Sheep: How Much a Pastor Earns is None of Your Shit Business!

makapaaa

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[h=1]PASTOR JOSEPH PRINCE’S REPORTED “S$700,000″ SALARY – HOW MUCH SHOULD A PASTOR EARN?[/h]
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23 Oct 2014 - 12:17pm





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This article from Yahoo! News (here) has been all over my Facebook feed today. So, Pastor Joseph Prince has a reported net worth of S$6.3million?! It definitely raised many eyebrows, including mine. But come to think of it, he heads a mega church, and why shouldn’t his net worth be in the ‘mega’ category as well?

If I run a company with over 30,000 employees, what sort of salary should I reasonably be expected to draw?

And if I run a church with over 30,000 tithing members (and not employees whom I have to pay), what sort of salary should I reasonably be expected to receive?

And ok, the Pastor might have stopped drawing a salary from some time back, but it is of no surprise that his net worth should be at a certain level based on sales of items like books (which made it to the New York Times’ bestseller list), DVDs, CDs, etc.

Is There A Limit As To How Much A Pastor Should Prosper?

In the Bible, it is stated that “For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.”

So why is it that when a pastor prospers, man makes noise?

I guess that as a nation, we have not only been let down by various charities and “leaders” who have sought to enrich themselves at the expense of their trusting followers, but also become wary of people who earn ‘obscene’ amounts of money.

I’ve read some comments on Facebook, including DJ Rosalyn Lee’s take:

It seems that there is a certain threshold that high income earners should be careful not to cross if they don’t want to get some backlash from the public. In the pastor’s case, it would be S$100,000.

I wonder though – if I have a pastor who earns more than any other pastor in this country (or region), does this not mean that he is truly a man of God and favored more than any other? Hmm… [Just to be clear on this point: I am not a member of his church and have not visited his church before either]




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Pastors and Money

I guess we expect A LOT from religious folk. Even in modern society, we expect them to denounce certain things, with materialism and “obscene” amounts of money topping the list.

I guess it is why a book with a title like ‘The Monk Who Sold His Ferrari’ would be most intriguing to many. We do not expect religious people to endorse these trappings of wealth.

Is it our own insecurity (tantamount to admittance to failure) about not being able to earn THIS MUCH that makes us want to ‘slam’ those who do? [Nope, don't tell me your answer. Just think about it]

And one other important question we have not asked is what he has done with all that money he has earned?

Has he given a portion away?

Has he reinvested this in the church?

Has he bought a Ferrari? Or two?

What is his lifestyle like?

It would be premature to slam a person based on a media report on how much he earns, or is worth without asking more questions first.

But I guess that if you are worth that much, and earn that much, you wouldn’t give two hoots about what people think either.

All I’m saying is that there’s no point being upset. If you want to be in his position and earn that much too, then go run a mega church and write best-selling books and what not.

Also, I can only imagine how much money it requires to upkeep his image. In photographs, he looks more like a pop idol or superstar than my notion of what a pastor looks like. In his shoes, you and I would probably need some work done to our faces, an expensive hairstylist, and swanky outfits. And all of these cost money. So there. Chill.

Money and the Church

I had a pretty bad experience as a kid in church. I remember vividly a day when a pastor asked for donations (perhaps for a building fund or something, I don’t remember). And when the takings fell short of the amount requested, he asked helpers to shut the doors and not allow people out while the bags were passed round again.

There was a mother who wanted to get out so she could secure some hot water for making milk for her infant. But she was told to stay inside till the collection was done.

As a young kid, I knew there was something not right about this. But I didn’t offer to stand up to the “bouncer” at the door.

Now I know that it is actually illegal to force someone to stay indoors against his/her will.

So, really, I don’t care how much pastors earn. If his books are really helpful to the people who buy them, and therefore make the bestseller lists, and earn him a sh*tload of money, good for him. He deserves every penny of it! If YOU think that you can write an equally good (if not better) book, and make the bestseller list too, then DO IT. I’ll be equally happy for you!

If people buy his CDs and DVDs because they are truly inspiring or motivational, and bring about changes and breakthroughs in their lives, then he deserves every cent he makes too! It cannot be that an ordinary singer can make it big and sell tonnes of CDs, and people still support her as a local songbird, but when a pastor does the same, he is condemned!

As long as the congregation is not forced (or encouraged) to buy a CD just to support a church leader (while not really liking any Cheeena Wine sort of songs*), and all is based on free will, then so be it.
*Disclaimer: No reference to any persons living or dead is intended.

If the pastor does indeed earn S$700,000 a year, or more, it is none of your business nor mine. Whether he earns this much or not has no impact on how much you and I earn. :wink:If you’d like to earn a similar figure, you can consider doing what he does, or tell your child to aspire to be a pastor, maybe? After all, children are already being told to study law, medicine or accountancy as these careers pay well, aren’t they? Why not add ‘pastor’ to the list? At least we offer them more choices.

Working With Grace
*The author blogs at http://workingwithgrace.wordpress.com
 

Leongsam

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Pastors provide a service just like any other business. They dispense weekly doses of hope, comfort and peace of mind. If they have the skills to create a 30,000 strong subscriber base, they are perfectly entitled to earn the big bucks.

If I could get 30,000 subscribers for this forum contributing $50 per week to listen to my words of wisdom and messages of hope in this forum, I'd be a very happy man.

Instead all I have is 15 subscribers at US4.95 per month. Perhaps I should start blaming the PAP. It might make feel a whole lot better if I could pin the blame for my failings on someone else.
 

congo9

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Pastors provide a service just like any other business. They dispense weekly doses of hope, comfort and peace of mind. If they have the skills to create a 30,000 strong subscriber base, they are perfectly entitled to earn the big bucks.

If I could get 30,000 subscribers for this forum contributing $50 per week to listen to my words of wisdom and messages of hope in this forum, I'd be a very happy man.

Instead all I have is 15 subscribers at US4.95 per month. Perhaps I should start blaming the PAP. It might make feel a whole lot better if I could pin the blame for my failings on someone else.

Sorry Sam, you are no Pastor Prince.
 

congo9

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Actually Pastor earn mega buck from making talks , giving hope to people. Turning people to Christ.

I just wonder how does he earn bench marking against Bill Clinton ?
 

looneytan

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I could get 30,000 subscribers for this forum contributing $50 per week to listen to my words of wisdom and messages of hope in this forum.

let us know the day you decide to start Sunday Service, I'd like to be in the front row
 

laksaboy

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Actually Pastor earn mega buck from making talks , giving hope to people. Turning people to Christ.

I just wonder how does he earn bench marking against Bill Clinton ?

In that case, then call it a wealth seminar instead of cloaking it in religion to con the gullible. :rolleyes:
 

gongkia

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Rony Tan also runs a mega church, his net worth and earning comparable to Con Hee and Prince?
Any secret squirrel dares to reveal?

rony-tan.jpg
 

laksaboy

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Compared to the Big Three prosperity gospel pastors (Kong Hee, Joseph Prince, Lawrence Khong), Rony Tan is a pauper.

Rony Tan is more interested in faith healing. The Big Three are more interested in acquiring real estate. :wink:
 

soIsee

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Pastors provide a service just like any other business. They dispense weekly doses of hope, comfort and peace of mind. If they have the skills to create a 30,000 strong subscriber base, they are perfectly entitled to earn the big bucks.

If I could get 30,000 subscribers for this forum contributing $50 per week to listen to my words of wisdom and messages of hope in this forum, I'd be a very happy man.

Instead all I have is 15 subscribers at US4.95 per month. Perhaps I should start blaming the PAP. It might make feel a whole lot better if I could pin the blame for my failings on someone else.

To keep using an imginary figure called God to extort money or use any means to instill fear to those contributors, is akin to mass cheating and scamming on a scale far greater than even God, if he really did exist could fathom.

The pastors should be put on a stake and burn like witches like what their forefathers centuries ago did to those who 'threaten' their religious scamming.
 

yellowarse

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The true Christian meaning of prosperity is not being rich! But being contented with what you already have!
"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God." ~ Matthew 19:24

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This article from Yahoo! News (here) has been all over my Facebook feed today. So, Pastor Joseph Prince has a reported net worth of S$6.3million?! It definitely raised many eyebrows, including mine. But come to think of it, he heads a mega church, and why shouldn’t his net worth be in the ‘mega’ category as well?

If I run a company with over 30,000 employees, what sort of salary should I reasonably be expected to draw?

And if I run a church with over 30,000 tithing members (and not employees whom I have to pay), what sort of salary should I reasonably be expected to receive?

And ok, the Pastor might have stopped drawing a salary from some time back, but it is of no surprise that his net worth should be at a certain level based on sales of items like books (which made it to the New York Times’ bestseller list), DVDs, CDs, etc.

Is There A Limit As To How Much A Pastor Should Prosper?

In the Bible, it is stated that “For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.”

So why is it that when a pastor prospers, man makes noise?

I guess that as a nation, we have not only been let down by various charities and “leaders” who have sought to enrich themselves at the expense of their trusting followers, but also become wary of people who earn ‘obscene’ amounts of money.

I’ve read some comments on Facebook, including DJ Rosalyn Lee’s take:

It seems that there is a certain threshold that high income earners should be careful not to cross if they don’t want to get some backlash from the public. In the pastor’s case, it would be S$100,000.

I wonder though – if I have a pastor who earns more than any other pastor in this country (or region), does this not mean that he is truly a man of God and favored more than any other? Hmm… [Just to be clear on this point: I am not a member of his church and have not visited his church before either]




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Pastors and Money

I guess we expect A LOT from religious folk. Even in modern society, we expect them to denounce certain things, with materialism and “obscene” amounts of money topping the list.

I guess it is why a book with a title like ‘The Monk Who Sold His Ferrari’ would be most intriguing to many. We do not expect religious people to endorse these trappings of wealth.

Is it our own insecurity (tantamount to admittance to failure) about not being able to earn THIS MUCH that makes us want to ‘slam’ those who do? [Nope, don't tell me your answer. Just think about it]

And one other important question we have not asked is what he has done with all that money he has earned?

Has he given a portion away?

Has he reinvested this in the church?

Has he bought a Ferrari? Or two?

What is his lifestyle like?

It would be premature to slam a person based on a media report on how much he earns, or is worth without asking more questions first.

But I guess that if you are worth that much, and earn that much, you wouldn’t give two hoots about what people think either.

All I’m saying is that there’s no point being upset. If you want to be in his position and earn that much too, then go run a mega church and write best-selling books and what not.

Also, I can only imagine how much money it requires to upkeep his image. In photographs, he looks more like a pop idol or superstar than my notion of what a pastor looks like. In his shoes, you and I would probably need some work done to our faces, an expensive hairstylist, and swanky outfits. And all of these cost money. So there. Chill.

Money and the Church

I had a pretty bad experience as a kid in church. I remember vividly a day when a pastor asked for donations (perhaps for a building fund or something, I don’t remember). And when the takings fell short of the amount requested, he asked helpers to shut the doors and not allow people out while the bags were passed round again.

There was a mother who wanted to get out so she could secure some hot water for making milk for her infant. But she was told to stay inside till the collection was done.

As a young kid, I knew there was something not right about this. But I didn’t offer to stand up to the “bouncer” at the door.

Now I know that it is actually illegal to force someone to stay indoors against his/her will.

So, really, I don’t care how much pastors earn. If his books are really helpful to the people who buy them, and therefore make the bestseller lists, and earn him a sh*tload of money, good for him. He deserves every penny of it! If YOU think that you can write an equally good (if not better) book, and make the bestseller list too, then DO IT. I’ll be equally happy for you!

If people buy his CDs and DVDs because they are truly inspiring or motivational, and bring about changes and breakthroughs in their lives, then he deserves every cent he makes too! It cannot be that an ordinary singer can make it big and sell tonnes of CDs, and people still support her as a local songbird, but when a pastor does the same, he is condemned!

As long as the congregation is not forced (or encouraged) to buy a CD just to support a church leader (while not really liking any Cheeena Wine sort of songs*), and all is based on free will, then so be it.
*Disclaimer: No reference to any persons living or dead is intended.

If the pastor does indeed earn S$700,000 a year, or more, it is none of your business nor mine. Whether he earns this much or not has no impact on how much you and I earn. :wink:If you’d like to earn a similar figure, you can consider doing what he does, or tell your child to aspire to be a pastor, maybe? After all, children are already being told to study law, medicine or accountancy as these careers pay well, aren’t they? Why not add ‘pastor’ to the list? At least we offer them more choices.

Working With Grace
*The author blogs at http://workingwithgrace.wordpress.com


I HAVE A SIMPLE AND IMPORTANT QUESTION TO ASK

IF THEIR GOD SAYS YOU SHOULD NOT BE EARNING MORE THAN 2K PER MONTH NOTHING ELSE WOULD THIS SO CALLED PASTORS BECOMES PASTORS,

WHAT KIND OF A'TRUE' RELIGION TEACHES YOU TO GUVE YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY WHERE MOST OF YOU ALL NEED IT MOST TO CONTRIBUTE IN ORDER FOR THE PASTORS TO BE LIVING A GRAND LIFE.

EVEN A REAL CHRISTIAN WOULD NOT CONDONE THAT.

I THOUGHT SINGAPOREANS ARE SMARTER,

IT'S OBVIOUS SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT.ITS ABOUT ENRICHING ONESELF

ONE JUST HAS TO SAY GOD SPOKE to me or I spoke to god and All are fooled..sad

Really poor destitute need that money
 

laksaboy

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The root cause of the issue is their insistence that Jesus was a wealthy man. And that wealth was due to God's blessing.

[video=youtube;H7-NpDVnp-0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7-NpDVnp-0[/video]

They'll keep repeating this because it is what their entire theology hinges upon.

But you'll never see the govt or the other church leaders openly accuse these businessmen-pastors of heresy.

Religious harmony, tolerance, social fabric and all that crap. Oh, and quite possibly shared business interests too. :rolleyes:


"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality." - Dante
 
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